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5/7/2013 10:55:30 PM
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Since 1993 [http://www.pewsocialtrends.org...]. 56% of Americans think gun crime went up in the past 20 years, 12% think it went down.
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5/7/2013 11:22:53 PM
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1993 was the peak of a huge spike in gun crimes. You know this, right?

Source: http://bjs.gov...

It is obligatory that we research what happened in 1993, now. All I can think of is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org...
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5/7/2013 11:27:18 PM
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At 5/7/2013 11:22:53 PM, drhead wrote:
1993 was the peak of a huge spike in gun crimes. You know this, right?

Source: http://bjs.gov...

It is obligatory that we research what happened in 1993, now. All I can think of is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Are you crazy (my post is presuming you're talking specifically about the
AWB in the bill--if not, ignore)? The consensus is that the Assault Weapons Ban did nothing. There are tons of other factors contributing to the lowered crime rates during the 90s from harsher penalties for crime, to better enforcement, to an economic boom, to a whole host o fother factors that cannot be measured
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5/7/2013 11:33:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/7/2013 11:09:52 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
All thanks to stricter gun laws.

I do believe gun laws got less strict in the United States during that span.
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5/7/2013 11:41:21 PM
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At 5/7/2013 11:33:17 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:09:52 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
All thanks to stricter gun laws.

I do believe gun laws got less strict in the United States during that span.

Nag don't be silly. They got stricter after the murder hike and only more gun laws will keep these numbers down.
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5/7/2013 11:50:22 PM
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At 5/7/2013 11:41:21 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:33:17 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:09:52 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
All thanks to stricter gun laws.

I do believe gun laws got less strict in the United States during that span.

Nah don't be silly. They got stricter after the murder hike and only more gun laws will keep these numbers down.
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5/7/2013 11:59:37 PM
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At 5/7/2013 11:27:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:22:53 PM, drhead wrote:
1993 was the peak of a huge spike in gun crimes. You know this, right?

Source: http://bjs.gov...

It is obligatory that we research what happened in 1993, now. All I can think of is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Are you crazy (my post is presuming you're talking specifically about the
AWB in the bill--if not, ignore)? The consensus is that the Assault Weapons Ban did nothing. There are tons of other factors contributing to the lowered crime rates during the 90s from harsher penalties for crime, to better enforcement, to an economic boom, to a whole host o fother factors that cannot be measured

Not necessarily, but that is what led me to this bill as my hypothesis. It happened around that time span. Maybe the criminals started to rethink their actions when they learned that they can't receive a pell grant as an inmate anymore, for all we know. A slightly more likely explanation would be the death penalty, and a much more likely explanation is the funding increases for the police. All of the other things you mentioned were in that bill, by the way (except for the economic boom, though. Our congressmen are not wizards.)
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5/8/2013 12:05:50 AM
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At 5/7/2013 10:55:30 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Since 1993 [http://www.pewsocialtrends.org...]. 56% of Americans think gun crime went up in the past 20 years, 12% think it went down.

This means only one thing,

Someone famous was born in 1993 who has caused people to stop killing each other, meaning that the second coming of Jesus was born in 1993...

WHAT FAMOUS PERSON WAS BORN IN 1993??????
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5/8/2013 12:20:50 AM
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At 5/8/2013 12:05:50 AM, imabench wrote:
At 5/7/2013 10:55:30 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Since 1993 [http://www.pewsocialtrends.org...]. 56% of Americans think gun crime went up in the past 20 years, 12% think it went down.

This means only one thing,

Someone famous was born in 1993 who has caused people to stop killing each other, meaning that the second coming of Jesus was born in 1993...

WHAT FAMOUS PERSON WAS BORN IN 1993??????

Me.
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5/8/2013 8:02:59 AM
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At 5/7/2013 11:41:21 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:33:17 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:09:52 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
All thanks to stricter gun laws.

I do believe gun laws got less strict in the United States during that span.

Nag don't be silly. They got stricter after the murder hike and only more gun laws will keep these numbers down.

Can't tell if you're being satirical or not.
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5/8/2013 9:51:27 AM
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There are certainly a lot more guns in circulation now than there were then.
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5/8/2013 10:01:06 AM
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At 5/8/2013 9:51:27 AM, lewis20 wrote:
There are certainly a lot more guns in circulation now than there were then.

Don't be silly. Of course the increase in gun sales warded off criminals and reduced the gun crime rate, and only fewer restrictions will keep the rate down.
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5/8/2013 10:51:47 AM
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At 5/7/2013 10:55:30 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Since 1993 [http://www.pewsocialtrends.org...]. 56% of Americans think gun crime went up in the past 20 years, 12% think it went down.

These stats are irrelevent because.......

1) Guns accessibility
2)Population Increase
3)More petty crimes and misdemeanors
4)More influx of illegal immigrants and gangs
5)Guns sales up

So although these facts you just displayed are real, that does not mean that less people are dying because of guns. Off record you have people that are dying left and right and many of the violators are not being caught and sent to prison. Nor are many of these crimes being recorded overall.
Just look at how many people died in Chicago and Detroit alone last year. That should tell you a lot..........
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5/8/2013 10:58:51 AM
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At 5/8/2013 10:01:06 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/8/2013 9:51:27 AM, lewis20 wrote:
There are certainly a lot more guns in circulation now than there were then.

Don't be silly. Of course the increase in gun sales warded off criminals and reduced the gun crime rate, and only fewer restrictions will keep the rate down.

Why ike, you said something smart. Sadly it was suppose to be sarcastic. :(
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5/8/2013 12:29:16 PM
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At 5/7/2013 11:59:37 PM, drhead wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:27:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/7/2013 11:22:53 PM, drhead wrote:
1993 was the peak of a huge spike in gun crimes. You know this, right?

Source: http://bjs.gov...

It is obligatory that we research what happened in 1993, now. All I can think of is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Are you crazy (my post is presuming you're talking specifically about the
AWB in the bill--if not, ignore)? The consensus is that the Assault Weapons Ban did nothing. There are tons of other factors contributing to the lowered crime rates during the 90s from harsher penalties for crime, to better enforcement, to an economic boom, to a whole host o fother factors that cannot be measured

Not necessarily, but that is what led me to this bill as my hypothesis. It happened around that time span. Maybe the criminals started to rethink their actions when they learned that they can't receive a pell grant as an inmate anymore, for all we know. A slightly more likely explanation would be the death penalty, and a much more likely explanation is the funding increases for the police. All of the other things you mentioned were in that bill, by the way (except for the economic boom, though. Our congressmen are not wizards.)

Yeah I know that, which is why I said to ignore my post if you were talking about the AWB :P. I do wonder what kind of impact the bill had...
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5/8/2013 12:34:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is rather sad news. Fewer than 12% of Americans are up-to-date on publicly available data - because you know some of those 12% just took a guess/would always chose it.
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5/8/2013 1:12:51 PM
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At 5/8/2013 12:34:01 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
This is rather sad news. Fewer than 12% of Americans are up-to-date on publicly available data - because you know some of those 12% just took a guess/would always chose it.

Most people here in the US do not believe those stats anyway.
I doubt if they are true.
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5/8/2013 1:31:20 PM
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At 5/8/2013 10:01:06 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/8/2013 9:51:27 AM, lewis20 wrote:
There are certainly a lot more guns in circulation now than there were then.

Don't be silly. Of course the increase in gun sales warded off criminals and reduced the gun crime rate, and only fewer restrictions will keep the rate down.

you'd have been completely wrong to have claimed the contrary 20 years ago, why do you think you're so obviously correct today?
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5/8/2013 2:20:27 PM
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At 5/8/2013 12:34:01 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
This is rather sad news. Fewer than 12% of Americans are up-to-date on publicly available data - because you know some of those 12% just took a guess/would always chose it.

The question is rather deceptive if you look back 20 more years, though. 1993 was the peak of gun crime in the US.
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5/8/2013 2:26:53 PM
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I'd imagine the percentage of people being held accountable for their shooting outside of being shot in return is way up, too. Just saying.
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5/8/2013 2:28:42 PM
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At 5/7/2013 11:22:53 PM, drhead wrote:
1993 was the peak of a huge spike in gun crimes. You know this, right?

Source: http://bjs.gov...

It is obligatory that we research what happened in 1993, now. All I can think of is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

And there's this.
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5/8/2013 3:06:18 PM
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Uhh... this was meant to demonstrate how few people are informed about gun violence in America.
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5/8/2013 3:28:30 PM
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At 5/8/2013 3:19:41 PM, Idiot wrote:
And its relevance to politics?

Yes, with so many people misinformed about gun violence and the consequences of gun legislation, so the population most likely holds a position that is not factual.
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5/8/2013 5:14:26 PM
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One of my teachers was talking about medical marijuana and increased gun violence today. So I told one of my classmates that the gun homicide rate was down by 49% since the early 1990s.

My teacher heard me and demanded evidence. But WSA he didn't think that it was supported by enough evidence to prove the assertion correct.
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5/8/2013 5:21:21 PM
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At 5/8/2013 5:14:26 PM, Contra wrote:
One of my teachers was talking about medical marijuana and increased gun violence today. So I told one of my classmates that the gun homicide rate was down by 49% since the early 1990s.

My teacher heard me and demanded evidence. But WSA he didn't think that it was supported by enough evidence to prove the assertion correct.

He was probably confused by the number of high profile shootings that occurred in the past year.
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5/8/2013 6:08:01 PM
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At 5/8/2013 2:20:27 PM, drhead wrote:
At 5/8/2013 12:34:01 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
This is rather sad news. Fewer than 12% of Americans are up-to-date on publicly available data - because you know some of those 12% just took a guess/would always chose it.

The question is rather deceptive if you look back 20 more years, though. 1993 was the peak of gun crime in the US.

It's a matter of trends, too. Americans think gun crime is going UP, when in reality, it's going DOWN. This is the difference between black and white.
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5/8/2013 6:26:42 PM
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Democracy doesn't work too well if only 12% of the people even knows what's happening, let alone know how to effectively deal with an issue once they do.
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5/8/2013 6:29:58 PM
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At 5/7/2013 11:22:53 PM, drhead wrote:
1993 was the peak of a huge spike in gun crimes. You know this, right?

Source: http://bjs.gov...

It is obligatory that we research what happened in 1993, now. All I can think of is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, but this doesn't help the sorry case of the 88% who think something's going up when it's not.