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Detroit Police Suck, Private Firm Steps In

Wallstreetatheist
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5/12/2013 6:06:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Detroit police department stops responding to 911 calls. A private firm fills the gap.

What is your opinion on private rights enforcement agencies?
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5/12/2013 6:13:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/12/2013 6:12:43 PM, Idiot wrote:
But that guy is black...

You idiot!
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5/12/2013 6:36:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
God bless the rich and their defense agencies.
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5/12/2013 6:46:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/12/2013 6:36:29 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
God bless the rich and their defense agencies.

They help the people who cannot afford their services for free. I didn't expect you to watch the video or make a rational reply. http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2013 6:56:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Privatization could lead to black people collecting quite the military strength. And especially given their physical advantages. I dunno, are we sure that's a very good idea? I mean they really are so perfect for protective purposes, and could build themselves quite an army out of that. And then one of them has been president..... And I actually did think that "You didn't build that" slip was just too bad to be true, too...

I'm just saying...
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5/12/2013 7:10:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Nothing like giving justice a price...
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5/12/2013 7:17:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/12/2013 6:46:22 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/12/2013 6:36:29 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
God bless the rich and their defense agencies.

They help the people who cannot afford their services for free. I didn't expect you to watch the video or make a rational reply. http://youtu.be...

Sorry. I'm out of those for today. :/
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5/12/2013 7:41:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If detroits situation is anything like Chicago when it comes to police being overwhelmed then I see the benefits of integrating privatized elements.

The question is what kind of relationship exists between the firm and the police. It would be unacceptable if the firm is the ONLY source of protection for a geographic area. However, there's nothing wrong with using them as a supplemental force for crime loads over police capacity.
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5/13/2013 12:23:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
It would be unacceptable if the firm is the ONLY source of protection for a geographic area. However, there's nothing wrong with using them as a supplemental force for crime loads over police capacity.

Just to play devil's advocate to try and pick your brain, what's wrong with them being the only source of protection? Or the federal police being a supplement to the private firms?
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5/13/2013 1:47:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/13/2013 12:23:26 AM, Zaradi wrote:
It would be unacceptable if the firm is the ONLY source of protection for a geographic area. However, there's nothing wrong with using them as a supplemental force for crime loads over police capacity.

Just to play devil's advocate to try and pick your brain, what's wrong with them being the only source of protection? Or the federal police being a supplement to the private firms?

If there's only the private firm as protection, you create a defense monopoly for them in concentrated areas. There would nothing be stopping contractors from abusing their privileges (see: Blackwater).

Ideally,I see private firms acting as force multipliers for active organizations instead of being brought on to independently engage in action. We wouldn't have had the Blackwater scandals we had if private military contractors were separated from their little wolf packs and put under the direct command of active soldiers (we'd just have the military scandals to deal with).

Plus, like with contractors in Iraq, the more we come to depend on them, the more leverage they gain over the government. Making them force multipliers under police supervision instead of independent units minimizes the firms ability to shape police policy.
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5/13/2013 2:03:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think it's fairly obvious that the guy in the video makes a good first impression, and the results he claims to have achieved speak for themselves. I think it's also fairly obvious that for a host of reasons the Detroit police force may not be adequate to meet the demands upon it, and it's equally plausible that a private firm would step in to fill the gap. So, indeed, this private firm appears to be doing some good.

What concerns me is the precedent for private security this sets. I a job I once held I remember having interacted with bodyguards (some private, some not private) in varying capacities and while some were good at their job, these were the kind of guys that one would only want to be a bodyguard. Because of the role differences between law enforcement and private security, I'm cautious to mix those together into one profession. That said, while I can on on for days about international securitization, the logistics of private security are outside any area I'm really qualified to speak on though.

It should be mentioned, though, that (1) the fact that private security firms are necessary to protect private citizens in the way described in the video shows principally that the government has failed, but (2) while government may have failed in this case, this is not an argument which is sufficient to establish any basis or grounding for claims that might suggest that "all" law enforcement activities or even most should be privatized. Why? The line between the vigilante who prudently serves his community and malicious vigilante whose activity is itself corrosive to law and order is very fine.
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5/13/2013 5:55:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Mercenaries will abandon you if they can make a profit . . . It's best to have the people create things like neighborhood watches to defend themselves
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5/13/2013 7:21:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/12/2013 7:10:26 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Nothing like giving justice a price...

You mean like how Unions protect bad teachers and give education a price?
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5/13/2013 8:43:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Seriously guys, does no one else think the blacks might try to take over? I mean looking at this as if it were a game of Risk, they are rather well situated. Do we really want to offer them opportunity to bolster their forces?
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5/13/2013 8:45:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure the makers of Risk were clued in on this possibility and that that's why there's no black army. Sorry, appeals to authority work.
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5/13/2013 12:16:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/12/2013 7:17:30 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 5/12/2013 6:46:22 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/12/2013 6:36:29 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
God bless the rich and their defense agencies.

They help the people who cannot afford their services for free. I didn't expect you to watch the video or make a rational reply. http://youtu.be...

Sorry. I'm out of those for today. :/

I understand. Sometimes I wish I could just punch people instead of replying. Usually only occurs when "debating" resource based economy adherents and MOSLEMS.
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5/13/2013 12:23:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/13/2013 5:55:10 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Mercenaries will abandon you if they can make a profit... It's best to have the people create things like neighborhood watches to defend themselves

What do mercenaries have to do with the topic at hand?
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5/13/2013 12:26:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
WSA do you remember the time when you went, "pwooahh I actually DON'T like government"? I don't think you considered the blacks taking over, did you?
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5/13/2013 12:31:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/13/2013 12:26:55 PM, Idiot wrote:
WSA do you remember the time when you went, "pwooahh I actually DON'T like government"? I don't think you considered the blacks taking over, did you?

What a horrifying prospect! They have too much melanin in their skin to rule.
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5/13/2013 12:36:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
There would be black vengeance in the night. I think you're just rebelling against the world, WSA.
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5/13/2013 2:25:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Let's look at private firms track record.

Blackwater: Runs people over while laughing about it with loud metal playing.

Craft International: Orchestrated the Boston bombing.
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5/13/2013 2:32:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/13/2013 2:25:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Let's look at private firms track record.

Blackwater: Runs people over while laughing about it with loud metal playing.

Craft International: Orchestrated the Boston bombing.

Then what do you have in when it comes to real solutions to our problems? Surely if you are able to criticize something you must know of a better alternative.
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5/13/2013 2:33:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/13/2013 2:25:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Let's look at private firms track record.

Blackwater: Runs people over while laughing about it with loud metal playing.

Craft International: Orchestrated the Boston bombing.

Also, proof beyond a reasonable doubt or it didn't happen.
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5/13/2013 2:47:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/13/2013 2:25:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Let's look at private firms track record.

Blackwater: Runs people over while laughing about it with loud metal playing.

Craft International: Orchestrated the Boston bombing.

Everything is not a conspiracy dude, but I share your distrust of merc groups. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.
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5/13/2013 3:06:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/13/2013 2:33:56 PM, drhead wrote:
At 5/13/2013 2:25:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Let's look at private firms track record.

Blackwater: Runs people over while laughing about it with loud metal playing.

Craft International: Orchestrated the Boston bombing.

Also, proof beyond a reasonable doubt or it didn't happen.

Proof? I have the video of Blackwater running over women with rock music playing:
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