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5/23/2013 2:25:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If President Obama was any darker than what he is would he have had a harder time winning the Presidential election? If he were white and named Billy Smith would he have gotten more votes?

Please no racist remarks unless they are funny. I'm black and allowed to say that. Im not actually black but I do have a black friend who gave me permission to use certain terminology that regular crackers are not permitted to use. Does that permission still stand even if my one and only black friend has died? Oh and he died from cancer and gave me permission to make fun of cancer people also....huh....Anyway back to the subject.

If he were more black- I believe that there would have been a larger investigation into the birther issue. If he were more black people would have said "wow that one is freakin black, like african black...ooooohhhh....Kenya!" (please remember I have permission) and it would have been harder to become president because its illegal for him to be.

If he were a white dude named Billy Smith- I would have voted for him.
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5/23/2013 2:44:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Where was the investigation for Herman Cain's birth certificate? Did Herman Cain lose the primary because of his merit or from his race, from supposedly the "racist" republican party.
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5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party. The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.
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5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

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5/23/2013 5:44:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

The American Nazi Party and Klan really are the two most influential political groups in the US and obviously their support means the winning of the election.
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5/23/2013 6:45:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 2:44:28 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Where was the investigation for Herman Cain's birth certificate? Did Herman Cain lose the primary because of his merit or from his race, from supposedly the "racist" republican party.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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5/23/2013 6:45:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 5:44:15 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

The American Nazi Party and Klan really are the two most influential political groups in the US and obviously their support means the winning of the election.

<facepalm>
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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5/23/2013 7:00:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 6:45:41 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/23/2013 5:44:15 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

The American Nazi Party and Klan really are the two most influential political groups in the US and obviously their support means the winning of the election.

<facepalm>

I was obviously 100% serious w/ that post.
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5/23/2013 7:10:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:00:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/23/2013 6:45:41 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/23/2013 5:44:15 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

The American Nazi Party and Klan really are the two most influential political groups in the US and obviously their support means the winning of the election.

<facepalm>

I was obviously 100% serious w/ that post.

My comment was obviously directed at you, and not the ridiculously obtuse content that preceded it.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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5/23/2013 7:14:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 2:44:28 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Where was the investigation for Herman Cain's birth certificate? Did Herman Cain lose the primary because of his merit or from his race, from supposedly the "racist" republican party.

DK you're smarter than that. Herman Cain was supposed to be the Republican countermeasure to Obama's historical legacy, but when his popularity rose to close for comfort something or someone ensured that he pulled out under the guise of a fishy and incoherent "scandal" and no one bother to question it because we were all frankly happy that he left. Herman Cain is no analog to the sitting president. Just because he wasn't hounded for a birth certificate doesn't mean that there weren't any racist intentions behind the original birther controversy.
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5/23/2013 7:18:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

Just because only one example was given does not mean only one person held that view.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

ad hominem

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5/23/2013 7:18:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:10:09 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:00:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/23/2013 6:45:41 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/23/2013 5:44:15 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

The American Nazi Party and Klan really are the two most influential political groups in the US and obviously their support means the winning of the election.

<facepalm>

I was obviously 100% serious w/ that post.

My comment was obviously directed at you, and not the ridiculously obtuse content that preceded it.

So much communication error in so few comments.
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5/23/2013 7:23:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

I don't agree with him either, but if you don't ADD anything IN ADDITION to calling him a moron, then you're just creating fuel for flamewar. You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site, and yet nobody says anything.
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5/23/2013 7:24:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:14:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
DK you're smarter than that. Herman Cain was supposed to be the Republican countermeasure to Obama's historical legacy, but when his popularity rose to close for comfort something or someone ensured that he pulled out under the guise of a fishy and incoherent "scandal" and no one bother to question it because we were all frankly happy that he left. Herman Cain is no analog to the sitting president. Just because he wasn't hounded for a birth certificate doesn't mean that there weren't any racist intentions behind the original birther controversy.

Explain Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Tim Scott? The GOP fully embraces them, and Fox News hired Herman Cain.

The Left is racist for saying Ted Cruz is not Hispanic because they think his race has to believe what they want.

Bill Richardson: Ted Cruz should not 'be defined as a Hispanic'
http://www.washingtonpost.com...

BuzzFeed Staffer: Ted Cruz 'Latino In Name Only'
http://www.breitbart.com...
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5/23/2013 7:36:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:23:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:

God you're a moron

I don't agree with him either, but if you don't ADD anything IN ADDITION to calling him a moron, then you're just creating fuel for flamewar. You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site, and yet nobody says anything.

I for one don't say much because I typically agree with him. :o

Regardless, yes voice of reason, you are correct.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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5/23/2013 7:38:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:23:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

I don't agree with him either, but if you don't ADD anything IN ADDITION to calling him a moron, then you're just creating fuel for flamewar. You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site, and yet nobody says anything.

Chastises someone for inciting a flamewar by insulting him and inciting flamewar. Wut.
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5/23/2013 7:41:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:38:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:23:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

I don't agree with him either, but if you don't ADD anything IN ADDITION to calling him a moron, then you're just creating fuel for flamewar. You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site, and yet nobody says anything.

Chastises someone for inciting a flamewar by insulting him and inciting flamewar. Wut.

I know that's not the nicest comment - but you're risking tu quoque here. There's no nice way to point out that someone is being "obnoxious and dismissive". If I wanted a flamewar, I would have cursed at him and insulted his character rather than his behavior.
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5/23/2013 7:44:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:14:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 2:44:28 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Where was the investigation for Herman Cain's birth certificate? Did Herman Cain lose the primary because of his merit or from his race, from supposedly the "racist" republican party.

DK you're smarter than that. Herman Cain was supposed to be the Republican countermeasure to Obama's historical legacy, but when his popularity rose to close for comfort something or someone ensured that he pulled out under the guise of a fishy and incoherent "scandal" and no one bother to question it because we were all frankly happy that he left. Herman Cain is no analog to the sitting president. Just because he wasn't hounded for a birth certificate doesn't mean that there weren't any racist intentions behind the original birther controversy.

If one looks at Colin Powell's commentary, he actually tends to side with ike's interpretation. Powell is quite open that he thinks the GOP needs to be more racially inclusive (which IMHO is an unduly discriminatory stance, but w/e).

I for one am just waiting for the day when the GOP forces him out of the party. Powell makes too much sense compared to the far right, and doesn't really seem to support the party in any fashion.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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5/23/2013 7:45:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:41:10 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:38:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:23:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

I don't agree with him either, but if you don't ADD anything IN ADDITION to calling him a moron, then you're just creating fuel for flamewar. You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site, and yet nobody says anything.

Chastises someone for inciting a flamewar by insulting him and inciting flamewar. Wut.

I know that's not the nicest comment - but you're risking tu quoque here. There's no nice way to point out that someone is being "obnoxious and dismissive".

That's why you don't if you don't want conflict.

If I wanted a flamewar, I would have cursed at him and insulted his character rather than his behavior.

"You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site"

What is one's character but one's actions and behavior? Why should we care about character that does not reflect action?
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5/23/2013 7:47:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Chastises someone for inciting a flamewar by insulting him and inciting flamewar. Wut.

I know that's not the nicest comment - but you're risking tu quoque here. There's no nice way to point out that someone is being "obnoxious and dismissive".

That's why you don't if you don't want conflict.

If I wanted a flamewar, I would have cursed at him and insulted his character rather than his behavior.

"You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site"

What is one's character but one's actions and behavior? Why should we care about character that does not reflect action?

Children, stop.
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5/23/2013 7:48:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:45:46 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:41:10 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:38:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:23:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

I don't agree with him either, but if you don't ADD anything IN ADDITION to calling him a moron, then you're just creating fuel for flamewar. You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site, and yet nobody says anything.

Chastises someone for inciting a flamewar by insulting him and inciting flamewar. Wut.

I know that's not the nicest comment - but you're risking tu quoque here. There's no nice way to point out that someone is being "obnoxious and dismissive".

That's why you don't if you don't want conflict.

If I wanted a flamewar, I would have cursed at him and insulted his character rather than his behavior.

"You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site"

What is one's character but one's actions and behavior? Why should we care about character that does not reflect action?

Okay, how about this. If he responds in an angry fashion then I'll disengage to avoid a flamewar. But the comment as a singular observation that doesn't become some big pointless back-and-forth, is worth typing in my opinion.
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5/23/2013 7:57:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:48:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:45:46 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:41:10 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:38:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:23:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 4:28:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party.

One person saying something positive of Obama doesnt mean the entire group supports him idiot.

The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

God you're a moron

I don't agree with him either, but if you don't ADD anything IN ADDITION to calling him a moron, then you're just creating fuel for flamewar. You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site, and yet nobody says anything.

Chastises someone for inciting a flamewar by insulting him and inciting flamewar. Wut.

I know that's not the nicest comment - but you're risking tu quoque here. There's no nice way to point out that someone is being "obnoxious and dismissive".

That's why you don't if you don't want conflict.

If I wanted a flamewar, I would have cursed at him and insulted his character rather than his behavior.

"You're probably the most obnoxious and dismissive person on this site"

What is one's character but one's actions and behavior? Why should we care about character that does not reflect action?

Okay, how about this. If he responds in an angry fashion then I'll disengage to avoid a flamewar. But the comment as a singular observation that doesn't become some big pointless back-and-forth, is worth typing in my opinion.

Fair enough. I appreciate when people express their honest evaluation of someone, especially when they remark that this person's reception does not accurately reflect their character, but dat hypocrisy is too much.
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5/23/2013 8:39:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So did I start a flamewar yet?
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5/23/2013 8:43:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 2:25:34 PM, Beansoup wrote:
If President Obama was any darker than what he is would he have had a harder time winning the Presidential election? If he were white and named Billy Smith would he have gotten more votes?

Please no racist remarks unless they are funny. I'm black and allowed to say that. Im not actually black but I do have a black friend who gave me permission to use certain terminology that regular crackers are not permitted to use. Does that permission still stand even if my one and only black friend has died? Oh and he died from cancer and gave me permission to make fun of cancer people also....huh....Anyway back to the subject.

If he were more black- I believe that there would have been a larger investigation into the birther issue. If he were more black people would have said "wow that one is freakin black, like african black...ooooohhhh....Kenya!" (please remember I have permission) and it would have been harder to become president because its illegal for him to be.

If he were a white dude named Billy Smith- I would have voted for him.

Another pointless post. When will the nonsense stop at this site?
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5/23/2013 8:47:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:14:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 2:44:28 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Where was the investigation for Herman Cain's birth certificate? Did Herman Cain lose the primary because of his merit or from his race, from supposedly the "racist" republican party.

DK you're smarter than that. Herman Cain was supposed to be the Republican countermeasure to Obama's historical legacy, but when his popularity rose to close for comfort something or someone ensured that he pulled out under the guise of a fishy and incoherent "scandal" and no one bother to question it because we were all frankly happy that he left. Herman Cain is no analog to the sitting president. Just because he wasn't hounded for a birth certificate doesn't mean that there weren't any racist intentions behind the original birther controversy.

No, its absolutely retarded to believe that the birther movement was racially motived, since native-born african americans make up to at least 13% of the population. Herman Cain never had a birthier controversy, but he had a fairly normal name and both his parents were US-born. Obama has a strange US name and his father isn't an american citizen. So that's how the birthier movement came about.

I don't believe the conspiracy their way and most people don't. I'm just explaining why people believe it.
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5/24/2013 12:01:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party. The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

False. Obama has been seen as Black then and now, and it has gotten him elected twice. =)
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5/24/2013 12:17:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/24/2013 12:01:06 PM, inferno wrote:
At 5/23/2013 3:52:25 PM, DanT wrote:
If Obama was fully black, and if his opponent for the 2008 Democratic candidacy was a man, he would have never been elected. The reason being is that the good ole boys of the Democratic party would have rather voted for a black man than a woman, and by being half black he appealed to more voters. The Klan supported Obama in 2008, as did the Nazi Party. The Klan didn't support Obama because he was black, but rather because they Hilary was a woman. The Nazi Party supported him because he was an anti-capitalist black nationalist.
In 2008 American Nazi Party leader Rocky Suhayda said:
"I"d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals"basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women"when usually negroes who have "made it" immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize"that"s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it"s good for all racially minded folks. "

If he was fully black he probably would have had a harder time, given how many racist organizations supported him in 2008.

False. Obama has been seen as Black then and now, and it has gotten him elected twice. =)

Not true, most of his supporters see him as a Black Man but most of his opponents see him as Mulatto
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5/24/2013 12:32:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 8:39:25 PM, imabench wrote:
So did I start a flamewar yet?

You started a minor flamewar about the potentially larger flamewar you might create. Which is like....so meta.
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5/24/2013 12:36:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/24/2013 12:32:11 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 5/23/2013 8:39:25 PM, imabench wrote:
So did I start a flamewar yet?

You started a minor flamewar about the potentially larger flamewar you might create. Which is like....so meta.

Lol