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suttichart.denpruektham
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5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?
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5/31/2013 12:45:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

-Drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia, etc. which have been shown to result in innocent casualties
-ACA
-Increasing troop level in Afghanistan
-Doing nothing about Guantanamo
-Aspects of his unilateral action in Libya in 2011
-Economic Stimulus
-Sanctions against Iran

etc.

Not defending the view, just pointing out where a lot of people come from.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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5/31/2013 12:49:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm not too keen on the type and magnitude of the expansive of his executive power.

My feelings are best describe in the fact that, when asked, by a US Congressman, whether or not the president had the power to launch a drone strike on a US citizen on US soil without trial or due process the answer wasn't an immediate "HELL NO."

The Department of Justice hemmed and hawed and stalled and played coy, providing non-answers before coming out and saying no.

And that is fvcking scary.
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5/31/2013 12:52:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

In America the government is restricted by the constitution. There are two schools of thought. Democrats believe in a living constitution, where the current majority interpretation is the right one. Republicans believe the constitution should be read in context, and the interpretation should rely on original intent; republicans believe that where the text lacks clarification the courts can clarify using case law.

The constitution protects the people from the despotic rule of an arbitrary government. Obama disregards the constitution, which is why many Americans don't like him. Obama has committed unprecedented acts of despotism, including but not limited to the assassination of US citizens. (Obama has only recently admitted that he has assassinated US citizens, prior to which he semantically denied the claim). Obama has added more to the National debt than any other president. He not only lies to the American people, but every time he opens his mouth doublespeak and propaganda comes out.
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5/31/2013 12:55:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Plus he's basically publicly told people to ignore anything that is critical of the government.

"Unfortunately you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all of our problems. Some of these same voices do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self rule is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted."
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5/31/2013 1:24:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

Simply said, he's a liberal -- and as such he taxes the heck outta the middle class.
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5/31/2013 1:26:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 12:46:29 PM, leojm wrote:
I'd like to say this all out right now.

EVERYTHING!!

Well, not *everything*. Pot and Gay Marriage were legalized under his administration. But, yeah -- pretty much everything else isn't worth commending.
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5/31/2013 1:38:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 1:26:24 PM, SeniorIntelligentDebator wrote:
At 5/31/2013 12:46:29 PM, leojm wrote:
I'd like to say this all out right now.

EVERYTHING!!

Well, not *everything*. Pot and Gay Marriage were legalized under his administration. But, yeah -- pretty much everything else isn't worth commending.

He didn't do either. He came out in favor of states legalizing SSM but said it should be left to the states to decide. Furthermore the two states that legalized pot are still being subject to Federal laws prohibiting it.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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5/31/2013 1:52:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 1:26:24 PM, SeniorIntelligentDebator wrote:
At 5/31/2013 12:46:29 PM, leojm wrote:
I'd like to say this all out right now.

EVERYTHING!!

Well, not *everything*. Pot and Gay Marriage were legalized under his administration. But, yeah -- pretty much everything else isn't worth commending.

No, this was inaction of the Federal government to enforce federal law over state law. Nothing he did.
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5/31/2013 3:30:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So it's all about his defend policy and tendency toward majority vote as oppose to the legitimate right of constitution?
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5/31/2013 3:39:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I mainly disagree with his stances on foreign policy and social issues. I see him as an idealist who turned to a lot of compromise with people he disagrees with in principle. I think he's very intelligent and I like him as a person, as far as I can tell.
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5/31/2013 3:49:09 PM
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Don't worry about it. Americans love to bulls*** their politicians, no matter what they do. But usually after a few decades they become good again.
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5/31/2013 6:09:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

This site is mainly comprised of rather conservative types. A lot of them are hardcore GOP supporters, meaning that no matter who the Democrats field, they will dislike him/her.

As you've probably noticed by now, the aggregate opinion of the people on this website doesn't really conform to national polls and what not.

Personally I think he's doing ok. Not very good at economics, but pretty good at everything else.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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5/31/2013 8:59:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
While I agree with everyone else that Obama's policies have been pretty disastrous and/or harmful for our country's general welfare, I do think that Obama has had at least two successful policies.

He blocked the Keystone XL pipeline. TransCanada was using eminent domain (a power reserved for the federal government, though it still illegitimate in my opinion) to gain land to build its pipeline. And KXL would have raised oil prices in the Midwest by $6 billion each year, according to the company TransCanada itself, more than offsetting the one year gains in economic benefits.

Additionally, Osama bin Laden and a few other high profile terrorists have been terminated.
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5/31/2013 9:49:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

If we are allowed to address the issue in a more dramatic tone:
Seven sins of President Obama:
1. Wrath: Well, his frustrations toward his Republicans colleagues are surely one of the examples in this category. Besides, President Obama holds word "Radicalism" in a very very very high regard.
2. Greed: A very greedy man indeed. Massive expansion of federal power is just one of the most illustrative examples. Yes. ObamaCare is another famous example in this category.
3. Sloth: His inactions with respect to Syria and other international issues are surely going to cost American more lives in the near future.
4. Pride: Well, this is self-evident. President Obama attempts to capitalize on everything that can possibility be related to him.
5. Lust: Lust for power.
6. Envy: His redistribution doctrine is largely originated from this sin.
7. Gluttony: Let's try to recall what happened to him when he and his wife travelled to Spain. Besides, his number of vacation is beyond countable.
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5/31/2013 10:03:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The main issue with Obama is that he only cares about forwarding his own ideology, rather than doing what is best for the country.
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5/31/2013 11:53:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 3:34:59 PM, innomen wrote:
Ego driven leftist who cares nothing for this country and what it has stood for.

If you replace "leftist" with "slaver", you could accurately describe all of the Founding Fathers, who whined about the Crown's taxes on them but taxed the poor at even high rates than they were taxed by the British (and also limited representation, meaning that the "no taxation without representation" nonsense was hypocritical hogwash).
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5/31/2013 11:54:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 7:57:19 PM, leojm wrote:
Obama is full of *Cough* Busllsh1t *Cough*

Care to justify your opinion? He's a terrible president, but then so was every other president, and I think Obama is better than many of them.
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6/1/2013 1:01:03 AM
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At 5/31/2013 3:49:09 PM, Bullish wrote:
Don't worry about it. Americans love to bulls*** their politicians, no matter what they do. But usually after a few decades they become good again.

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6/1/2013 5:58:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 6:09:21 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

This site is mainly comprised of rather conservative types. A lot of them are hardcore GOP supporters, meaning that no matter who the Democrats field, they will dislike him/her.

As you've probably noticed by now, the aggregate opinion of the people on this website doesn't really conform to national polls and what not.

Personally I think he's doing ok. Not very good at economics, but pretty good at everything else.

It seem rather confusing to me, especially from all the reply the people make. Sometime they hate him because of his involvement in international issue, some time they hate him because he has been involved in international issue.

Some one said he is bad because his tendency toward socialism and sometime he is bad because he lack tendency toward socialism. So it really lack a general direction at least to me. I don't even know any more what is current American policy and what is it purposes. That's why the question, what exactly happened?

Even so, your opinion here is pretty divided still -_-

guest that's why it's politic..
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6/1/2013 8:12:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/1/2013 5:58:18 AM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
At 5/31/2013 6:09:21 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

This site is mainly comprised of rather conservative types. A lot of them are hardcore GOP supporters, meaning that no matter who the Democrats field, they will dislike him/her.

As you've probably noticed by now, the aggregate opinion of the people on this website doesn't really conform to national polls and what not.

Personally I think he's doing ok. Not very good at economics, but pretty good at everything else.

It seem rather confusing to me, especially from all the reply the people make. Sometime they hate him because of his involvement in international issue, some time they hate him because he has been involved in international issue.

Some one said he is bad because his tendency toward socialism and sometime he is bad because he lack tendency toward socialism. So it really lack a general direction at least to me. I don't even know any more what is current American policy and what is it purposes. That's why the question, what exactly happened?

Even so, your opinion here is pretty divided still -_-

guest that's why it's politic..

Well. It depends who you talk to. Apparently, many liberals (left) don't believe President Obama has done enough. For example, many liberals would prefer national health care system to the current piecemeal system. Therefore, this group of people blames President Obama for not moving fast enough.

On the other hand, conservatives (right) don't like his socialism doctrine. They believe President Obama has gone too far and he must be stopped, otherwise the nation would be reduced to ashes. Therefore, conservatives blame President Obama for moving too fast.

Media outlets further fuelled the division and partisanship. For example, New York Times steadfastly stands with President Obama while Fox News supports Republicans unconditionally.
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6/1/2013 10:05:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 10:03:21 PM, DanT wrote:
The main issue with Obama is that he only cares about forwarding his own ideology, rather than doing what is best for the country.

Have you considered that he might consider his own ideology the best option for the country?
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6/1/2013 8:18:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/1/2013 8:12:16 AM, TheElderScroll wrote:
At 6/1/2013 5:58:18 AM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
At 5/31/2013 6:09:21 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/31/2013 12:31:54 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
I notice that most of the people in this site tend to have negative opinion to various degree. As a non-US, may I ask what is the reason he is so unpopular on this site, what is his core philosophy, policy, or political record that make you disagree with him so mush?

This site is mainly comprised of rather conservative types. A lot of them are hardcore GOP supporters, meaning that no matter who the Democrats field, they will dislike him/her.

As you've probably noticed by now, the aggregate opinion of the people on this website doesn't really conform to national polls and what not.

Personally I think he's doing ok. Not very good at economics, but pretty good at everything else.

It seem rather confusing to me, especially from all the reply the people make. Sometime they hate him because of his involvement in international issue, some time they hate him because he has been involved in international issue.

Some one said he is bad because his tendency toward socialism and sometime he is bad because he lack tendency toward socialism. So it really lack a general direction at least to me. I don't even know any more what is current American policy and what is it purposes. That's why the question, what exactly happened?

Even so, your opinion here is pretty divided still -_-

guest that's why it's politic..

Well. It depends who you talk to. Apparently, many liberals (left) don't believe President Obama has done enough. For example, many liberals would prefer national health care system to the current piecemeal system. Therefore, this group of people blames President Obama for not moving fast enough.

On the other hand, conservatives (right) don't like his socialism doctrine. They believe President Obama has gone too far and he must be stopped, otherwise the nation would be reduced to ashes. Therefore, conservatives blame President Obama for moving too fast.

Media outlets further fuelled the division and partisanship. For example, New York Times steadfastly stands with President Obama while Fox News supports Republicans unconditionally.

I'm probably the few bona-fide Obama fans on this website. I think he's a good moderate conservative, and I believe history will judge him as a great president. That Obama is a moderate would piss off people on the left who, like you said, think he is not moving fast enough, and would also piss off people on the right, who IMHO simply cannot take a moderate position at the moment.

You're absolutely right that it all depends upon who you talk to. If far right conservatives started to support Obama, then you'd know that something really weird is going on. As it is, most of the active members here are either anarchists/libertarians or far right conservatives who despise Obama, which is appropriate.

On the bolded, I thoroughly disagree, lol. Notice I am the only one in your thread besides Citrakayah that thinks that Obama is actually doing a good job...although that may be because of how you titled this thread.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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6/1/2013 9:27:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/1/2013 10:05:14 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/31/2013 10:03:21 PM, DanT wrote:
The main issue with Obama is that he only cares about forwarding his own ideology, rather than doing what is best for the country.

Have you considered that he might consider his own ideology the best option for the country?

No one ideology is the best for the country. That is why we originally did not have parties. Hitler believed his ideologies was best for Germany, and look how that turned out.
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6/1/2013 9:56:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/1/2013 9:27:09 PM, DanT wrote:
At 6/1/2013 10:05:14 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/31/2013 10:03:21 PM, DanT wrote:
The main issue with Obama is that he only cares about forwarding his own ideology, rather than doing what is best for the country.

Have you considered that he might consider his own ideology the best option for the country?

No one ideology is the best for the country. That is why we originally did not have parties. Hitler believed his ideologies was best for Germany, and look how that turned out.

Gotta love Godwin.

Anyway, saying that he cares only about his own agenda and ideology rather than what is best for the country implies that he does not care about the country, rather than merely being mistaken.

Furthermore, all people are driven by ideology to what extent. It's how we decide what we're even working towards. What you consider the good of the country depends on your ideology.
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6/1/2013 10:21:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/31/2013 11:53:48 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/31/2013 3:34:59 PM, innomen wrote:
Ego driven leftist who cares nothing for this country and what it has stood for.

If you replace "leftist" with "slaver", you could accurately describe all of the Founding Fathers, who whined about the Crown's taxes on them but taxed the poor at even high rates than they were taxed by the British (and also limited representation, meaning that the "no taxation without representation" nonsense was hypocritical hogwash).

Back then almost anyone with wealth had slaves, I hate when the left attempt to demoralize and trash the founding fathers for owning slaves, almost all wealthy people owned slaves back then! I also laugh at how it isn't taught in schools that slavery was acceptable in Africa, and for decades after it was abolished in America! Let's talk about how blacks enslaved their own and then have another redundant conversation on how vile the founding fathers were please.

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