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GeoLaureate8
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6/6/2013 6:50:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Obama Has Lost All Credibility
http://www.nytimes.com...

Why Does Obama Talk Like Rand Paul but Govern Like Dick Cheney?
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6/6/2013 8:09:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm sure Obama will claim to know absolutely nothing about this as he has the last twenty scandals. You know, since He's just the president of the United States; it's not like it's his job to know what's going on in government.

I imagine he's just stumbling around the White House all day more clueless than a Joe Biden.
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6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/6/2013 10:41:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM, Noumena wrote:
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*
But... but this is racist! By calling him Bush you're denying that he's black!
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6/6/2013 10:42:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:41:26 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM, Noumena wrote:
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*
But... but this is racist! By calling him Bush you're denying that he's black!

Small price to pay mam.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:43:42 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:42:29 PM, Noumena wrote:
Small price to pay mam.
Capitalize the insult. Ma'am*

I meant to say man, as in "what's up man?". Yer obviously a male so why would I address you as Ma'am? Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/6/2013 10:58:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM, Noumena wrote:
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*

I don't recall Bush ever making any sort of attempt to at least LOOK like he heard the drone opposition and address it. Look I'm not going to forward a defense of Obama's policies, but I will keep arguing until you acknowledge the difference in character between the two of them.
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6/6/2013 10:59:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:43:42 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:42:29 PM, Noumena wrote:
Small price to pay mam.
Capitalize the insult. Ma'am*

I meant to say man, as in "what's up man?". Yer obviously a male so why would I address you as Ma'am? Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?

because that's how he addresses everyone else and he assumes that everyone is as obnoxious as he.
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6/6/2013 11:00:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM, Noumena wrote:
Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?
Only selected people deserve to be called Sir (e.g., myself). Ma'am is more appropriate for sure. Trust me.
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6/6/2013 11:01:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:59:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:43:42 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:42:29 PM, Noumena wrote:
Small price to pay mam.
Capitalize the insult. Ma'am*

I meant to say man, as in "what's up man?". Yer obviously a male so why would I address you as Ma'am? Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?

because that's how he addresses everyone else and he assumes that everyone is as obnoxious as he.

Maybe he's been waiting for someone to reciprocate, and derives some sense of excitement from being spoken to in such a saucy and demeaning manner.
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6/6/2013 11:03:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:59:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
because that's how he addresses everyone else
Not everyone -- e.g., for you I say kid, little kid, or mongoloid child.
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6/6/2013 11:04:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM, Noumena wrote:
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*

Nah, Obama is just gonna blame Bush. After all, it WAS Bush that started this in 2006. Just pay no attention to the fact that Obama escalated this policy.
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6/6/2013 11:04:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 11:03:47 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:59:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
because that's how he addresses everyone else
Not everyone -- e.g., for you I say kid, little kid, or mongoloid child.

case in point.
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6/6/2013 11:06:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:58:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM, Noumena wrote:
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*

I don't recall Bush ever making any sort of attempt to at least LOOK like he heard the drone opposition and address it. Look I'm not going to forward a defense of Obama's policies, but I will keep arguing until you acknowledge the difference in character between the two of them.

I'm talking policy. I wouldn't say their characters are the same though. But that would depend on what you mean by character. Whatever moving on. Yer example is fallacious. The Obama administration was famously deceptive about the scope of the powers they were assuming. Just look at the question of whether the administration thought it had the right to kill an American on American soil (they had previously assumed the right so long as it was on foreign soil). So dodgy. Listen, you can focus on inconsequentials if you'd like but whether Obama feigned that he cared to defend his policy doesn't really make a difference to the hundreds of innocents murdered via drone strike. The policies themselves are almost identical. That's what matters.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/6/2013 11:07:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 11:03:47 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:59:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
because that's how he addresses everyone else
Not everyone -- e.g., for you I say kid, little kid, or mongoloid child.

*likes*
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6/6/2013 11:09:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 11:00:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM, Noumena wrote:
Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?
Only selected people deserve to be called Sir (e.g., myself). Ma'am is more appropriate for sure. Trust me.

Am I at 'Sir' level yet or is there some sort of fee I have to pay into?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/6/2013 11:12:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:41:26 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM, Noumena wrote:
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*
But... but this is racist! By calling him Bush you're denying that he's black!

Wadya mean, he said " with a better smile". :P
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6/6/2013 11:14:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:43:42 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:42:29 PM, Noumena wrote:
Small price to pay mam.
Capitalize the insult. Ma'am*

I meant to say man, as in "what's up man?". Yer obviously a male so why would I address you as Ma'am? Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?

LOL. I thought you were making fun of the fact that Mirza calls everyone else Ma'am.
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6/6/2013 11:16:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 11:06:09 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:58:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:39:47 PM, Noumena wrote:
*crosses fingers hoping that THIS time liberals will admit that Obama is essentially Bush with a better smile*

I don't recall Bush ever making any sort of attempt to at least LOOK like he heard the drone opposition and address it. Look I'm not going to forward a defense of Obama's policies, but I will keep arguing until you acknowledge the difference in character between the two of them.

I'm talking policy. I wouldn't say their characters are the same though. But that would depend on what you mean by character. Whatever moving on. Yer example is fallacious. The Obama administration was famously deceptive about the scope of the powers they were assuming.

Orly? Only thing I remember hearing is that the Obama Administration was going to be "the most transparent" administration in history.... which has turned out to be bullsh!t. Even still, that the Obama administration has not been transparent to the extent that it promised does not mean that it was "deceptive" about the scope of power it wanted.

The drone debate is essentially a reconciliation between real necessity and limited resources. I can imagine Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc. (or any other president) doing exactly as Obama did in re drones -which is to say that this isn't a political issue, but a response to the exigencies of national security and US interests.

Just look at the question of whether the administration thought it had the right to kill an American on American soil (they had previously assumed the right so long as it was on foreign soil).

I get tired of hearing about this. Let's say that an American, on American soil robs a bank and then pulls a gun on police officers. Are the police officers not to kill him? The fact that a drone is the weapon by which that took place is no more than an emotionally manipulative red herring.

So dodgy. Listen, you can focus on inconsequentials if you'd like but whether Obama feigned that he cared to defend his policy doesn't really make a difference to the hundreds of innocents murdered via drone strike.

I really wish, when the news reported things, that the CIA could release "what would have happened" if "hundreds of innocents" if they were both innocent and killed, weren't killed. What would have been the opportunity cost of not acting? Usually, those details don't come out for decades, if ever... but if they did, people might not be so averse to doing bad things for good reasons.

The policies themselves are almost identical. That's what matters.

There are some similarities, but in no way are the policies of the Bush and Obama admin's identical.
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6/6/2013 11:28:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/6/2013 11:16:55 PM, YYW wrote:

Orly? Only thing I remember hearing is that the Obama Administration was going to be "the most transparent" administration in history.... which has turned out to be bullsh!t. Even still, that the Obama administration has not been transparent to the extent that it promised does not mean that it was "deceptive" about the scope of power it wanted.

I was referring to the blundering around after the question was posed.

The drone debate is essentially a reconciliation between real necessity and limited resources. I can imagine Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc. (or any other president) doing exactly as Obama did in re drones -which is to say that this isn't a political issue, but a response to the exigencies of national security and US interests.

Agreed, more or less.

I get tired of hearing about this. Let's say that an American, on American soil robs a bank and then pulls a gun on police officers. Are the police officers not to kill him? The fact that a drone is the weapon by which that took place is no more than an emotionally manipulative red herring.

Not arguing for or against it here. Merely referring to the question and the way the administration handled it.

I really wish, when the news reported things, that the CIA could release "what would have happened" if "hundreds of innocents" if they were both innocent and killed, weren't killed. What would have been the opportunity cost of not acting? Usually, those details don't come out for decades, if ever... but if they did, people might not be so averse to doing bad things for good reasons.

Well....not everyone.

There are some similarities, but in no way are the policies of the Bush and Obama admin's identical.

Perhaps I used a bit of hyperbole there.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/6/2013 11:29:22 PM
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At 6/6/2013 11:18:04 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 11:09:17 PM, Noumena wrote:
Am I at 'Sir' level yet
Absolutely!

Can check "Earned Mirza's respect." off of my bucketlist now.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/6/2013 11:37:42 PM
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Bush didn't create a culture of intimidation like Obama. Bush railed against terrorists all the time while Obama rails against Republicans all the time.
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6/6/2013 11:44:30 PM
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At 6/6/2013 11:01:32 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:59:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:43:42 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:42:29 PM, Noumena wrote:
Small price to pay mam.
Capitalize the insult. Ma'am*

I meant to say man, as in "what's up man?". Yer obviously a male so why would I address you as Ma'am? Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?

because that's how he addresses everyone else and he assumes that everyone is as obnoxious as he.

Maybe he's been waiting for someone to reciprocate, and derives some sense of excitement from being spoken to in such a saucy and demeaning manner.

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6/6/2013 11:44:53 PM
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At 6/6/2013 11:37:42 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Bush didn't create a culture of intimidation like Obama. Bush railed against terrorists all the time while Obama rails against Republicans all the time.

That is accurate.
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6/8/2013 3:54:08 AM
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At 6/6/2013 11:01:32 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:59:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:55:28 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:43:42 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/6/2013 10:42:29 PM, Noumena wrote:
Small price to pay mam.
Capitalize the insult. Ma'am*

I meant to say man, as in "what's up man?". Yer obviously a male so why would I address you as Ma'am? Seems a bit insulting doesn't it?

because that's how he addresses everyone else and he assumes that everyone is as obnoxious as he.

Maybe he's been waiting for someone to reciprocate, and derives some sense of excitement from being spoken to in such a saucy and demeaning manner.

He likes getting into arguments with girls on internet forums. It's like fetish porn for muslims.