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LearnLiberty vs. Prager: Military

1Historygenius
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6/10/2013 6:02:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I found these two videos really cool. They both show to sides to the military. Learn Liberty had made a video on D-Day about war and military:

http://m.youtube.com...

Prager University just made their own video regarding the US military and how it should remain strong. I kind of felt that Prager was almost responding to Learn Liberty, or maybe it's just D-Day. Here's this one:

http://m.youtube.com...

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the topic and which vid did you like better?
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6/10/2013 6:17:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/10/2013 6:02:38 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
I found these two videos really cool. They both show to sides to the military. Learn Liberty had made a video on D-Day about war and military:

http://m.youtube.com...

Prager University just made their own video regarding the US military and how it should remain strong. I kind of felt that Prager was almost responding to Learn Liberty, or maybe it's just D-Day. Here's this one:

http://m.youtube.com...

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the topic and which vid did you like better?

I watched about half of the second video before I stopped. The thickness of the propaganda was nauseating. What makes any of those governments "fascist" while America isn't? The justification for calling the German empire "proto-fascist" was that the Germans wanted to threaten America during WWI. America responded by going to war and destroying the German regime. That would make us more "fascist" than the Germans, wouldn't it?

America is certainly better off due to the victories earned by the American military. Similarly, Germany would have been better off had it won. Also, Russia. That's all that matters, and the rest of the video is ridiculously shallow, propagandistic, mindless ideology attempting to pose as something greater than it is.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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6/10/2013 6:29:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yaay! Neo-liberal ideologues against Neo-Conservative ideologues. How fun.

Wait, there's a British speaking on the side of the American Neo-Conservative Repub-- oh wait its Andrew Roberts. Nevermind.

"taking on the features of earlier fascism, like...hatred of Christianity"

Woah Woah Woah. Are we ignoring basically how fascism works to say it's anti-Christian? Really? Really?

"America made clear it would not permit [Islamist] fascism to rise in its time"

Except in Somalia. And Kosovo. And Pakistan. And Sudan. And most African nations where Islamist fundamentalism has already dominated the politics so we don't hear much about it.

"The money has been well spent. It has paid for the honour, power, and prestige of the USA."

This is where the proper British conservatism comes into play. Huzzah!

Also, he goes on to claim that the US armed forces is THE MAJOR CAUSE OF THE RISE OF HITLER. F*cking hell.
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6/10/2013 6:29:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yaay! Neo-liberal ideologues against Neo-Conservative ideologues. How fun.

Wait, there's a British speaking on the side of the American Neo-Conservative Repub-- oh wait its Andrew Roberts. Nevermind.

"taking on the features of earlier fascism, like...hatred of Christianity"

Woah Woah Woah. Are we ignoring basically how fascism works to say it's anti-Christian? Really? Really?

"America made clear it would not permit [Islamist] fascism to rise in its time"

Except in Somalia. And Kosovo. And Pakistan. And Sudan. And most African nations where Islamist fundamentalism has already dominated the politics so we don't hear much about it.

"The money has been well spent. It has paid for the honour, power, and prestige of the USA."

This is where the proper British conservatism comes into play. Huzzah!

Also, he goes on to claim that the US armed forces being small is THE MAJOR CAUSE OF THE RISE OF HITLER. F*cking hell.

(edited that last sentence)
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6/10/2013 7:58:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/10/2013 6:17:53 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 6/10/2013 6:02:38 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
I found these two videos really cool. They both show to sides to the military. Learn Liberty had made a video on D-Day about war and military:

http://m.youtube.com...

Prager University just made their own video regarding the US military and how it should remain strong. I kind of felt that Prager was almost responding to Learn Liberty, or maybe it's just D-Day. Here's this one:

http://m.youtube.com...

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the topic and which vid did you like better?

I watched about half of the second video before I stopped. The thickness of the propaganda was nauseating. What makes any of those governments "fascist" while America isn't? The justification for calling the German empire "proto-fascist" was that the Germans wanted to threaten America during WWI. America responded by going to war and destroying the German regime. That would make us more "fascist" than the Germans, wouldn't it?

But didn't you here? HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS BITCH!

Or that's how Prager might respond.

America is certainly better off due to the victories earned by the American military. Similarly, Germany would have been better off had it won. Also, Russia. That's all that matters, and the rest of the video is ridiculously shallow, propagandistic, mindless ideology attempting to pose as something greater than it is.
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6/10/2013 8:42:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/10/2013 7:58:04 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 6/10/2013 6:17:53 PM, wrichcirw wrote:

But didn't you here? HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS BITCH!

Or that's how Prager might respond.

Thanks for making this thread a deep, meaningful, and profound experience. =)
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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6/10/2013 9:45:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/10/2013 8:42:04 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 6/10/2013 7:58:04 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 6/10/2013 6:17:53 PM, wrichcirw wrote:

But didn't you here? HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS BITCH!

Or that's how Prager might respond.

Thanks for making this thread a deep, meaningful, and profound experience. =)

Gladly.
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