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DoubtingDave
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6/16/2013 9:21:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Dr. Benjamin Carson from Baltimore, MD is a world renoun neurosurgeon at John's Hopkins.

As most of you probably know, Dr. Carson is considering a run for President in 2016. His new book America the Beautiful is a NY Times bestseller.

I got the honor of meeting Dr. Ben Carson today at a concert that he was narrating. From the moment I shook his hand, I knew right away that he was genuine and sincere.

Would you vote for Ben Carson if he ran? Why or why not?
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6/16/2013 9:32:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Just been reading some of his stuff. I like his political views, w/ the exception of his views on gay marriage. Of course it would depend on who else is running.
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6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.
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6/17/2013 1:45:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My problem with him is that he has no political experience. My first choice in 2016 would probably be Rand Paul, his ideas lean libertarian.
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6/17/2013 3:58:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

How are you so sure that we won't end up like Germany in the 1930s? Hyperinflation occurs and people want someone out of Washington. Out of the mist comes Carson, a man of the people.
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6/17/2013 4:02:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Ben Carson is influential and a great role model, I read Gifted Hands long before his rise to fame, but as a presidential figure, I see him not. Instead, if we (hopefully) get a Republican in office, he should be in the cabinet. Maybe he could then run in 2024 with that accumulated experience, and be more reasonable to elect.

Additionally, there is the "uncle tom" factor brought up by some liberals, as it was with Herman Cain. Because of this, his character can easily be destroyed and discredited to a point beyond belief.

Now, concerning the presidential candidates I see fit to serve, Rand Paul fits the bill. Marco Rubio, having made mistakes in the past, fits well enough in the vice presidential slot. Being that his biggest mistake was drinking water, I'd say he's already golden compared to Joe the turd Biden.
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6/17/2013 4:04:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

Obama had no political experience. He didn't have any leadership experience and no one seemed to give a damn.
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6/17/2013 4:06:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 3:58:44 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

How are you so sure that we won't end up like Germany in the 1930s? Hyperinflation occurs and people want someone out of Washington. Out of the mist comes Carson, a man of the people.

So are you suggesting that we imagine a black Hitler who never killed or expulsed the Jews, nor took the liberty of performing a massive land grab in the world to regain territories once held by their nation?
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6/17/2013 4:14:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 4:04:41 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

Obama had no political experience. He didn't have any leadership experience and no one seemed to give a damn.

Not true. Lawyer, Community Planner, State senator, and Senator.

That's a lot more than just a neurologist.
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6/17/2013 4:16:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 4:06:01 PM, Rhett_Butler wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:58:44 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

How are you so sure that we won't end up like Germany in the 1930s? Hyperinflation occurs and people want someone out of Washington. Out of the mist comes Carson, a man of the people.

So are you suggesting that we imagine a black Hitler who never killed or expulsed the Jews, nor took the liberty of performing a massive land grab in the world to regain territories once held by their nation?

I think he was suggesting that Hitler was a man of the people, and that Carson could become the next "man of the people" if hyperinflation occurred.
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6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.
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6/17/2013 4:18:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 4:16:08 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:06:01 PM, Rhett_Butler wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:58:44 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

How are you so sure that we won't end up like Germany in the 1930s? Hyperinflation occurs and people want someone out of Washington. Out of the mist comes Carson, a man of the people.

So are you suggesting that we imagine a black Hitler who never killed or expulsed the Jews, nor took the liberty of performing a massive land grab in the world to regain territories once held by their nation?

I think he was suggesting that Hitler was a man of the people, and that Carson could become the next "man of the people" if hyperinflation occurred.

Then he would around up gays, Jews and others and kill them.
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6/17/2013 5:04:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 4:06:01 PM, Rhett_Butler wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:58:44 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

How are you so sure that we won't end up like Germany in the 1930s? Hyperinflation occurs and people want someone out of Washington. Out of the mist comes Carson, a man of the people.

So are you suggesting that we imagine a black Hitler who never killed or expulsed the Jews, nor took the liberty of performing a massive land grab in the world to regain territories once held by their nation?

I'm only giving it as an example.
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6/17/2013 5:08:56 PM
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At 6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.

It think he would do great in that department.
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6/17/2013 6:33:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.

I fully agree, except maybe replace Ted Cruz with Chris Christie or Marco Rubio. A moderate who appeals to Democrats would be helpful on the ticket.
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6/17/2013 6:55:07 PM
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At 6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.

Why do we even need a HHS?
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6/17/2013 6:56:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 6:55:07 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.

Why do we even need a HHS?

In a libertarian world, we wouldn't. But in our current United States, it is better to downsize such departments, rather than hope to eliminate them. You can't eradicate Medicare overnight.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/17/2013 7:06:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 4:14:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:04:41 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

Obama had no political experience. He didn't have any leadership experience and no one seemed to give a damn.

Not true. Lawyer, Community Planner, State senator, and Senator.

That's a lot more than just a neurologist.

Obama didn't have any executive experience and was thin on the leadership experience as well.
All his political experience was in the realm of Chicago politics. That is cronyism to the nth degree in the worst run state in the union. While he had experience in politics I don't think it was necessarily good experience.
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6/17/2013 7:08:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 7:06:55 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:14:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:04:41 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

Obama had no political experience. He didn't have any leadership experience and no one seemed to give a damn.

Not true. Lawyer, Community Planner, State senator, and Senator.

That's a lot more than just a neurologist.

Obama didn't have any executive experience and was thin on the leadership experience as well.
All his political experience was in the realm of Chicago politics. That is cronyism to the nth degree in the worst run state in the union. While he had experience in politics I don't think it was necessarily good experience.

It was horrible experience. Sitting in Congress and abstaining from all of your votes isn't leadership in the slightest. A monkey could do that.
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6/17/2013 7:18:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 6:55:07 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.

Why do we even need a HHS?

Ben Carson has excellent health care solutions. He supports a Health Savings Accounts (HSA) system, thus eliminating the need for Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare, plus it silences the Left because the poor can finally afford health care.

HSA takes the liability away from government and into the hands of the individual.
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6/17/2013 7:21:20 PM
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At 6/17/2013 6:33:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.

I fully agree, except maybe replace Ted Cruz with Chris Christie or Marco Rubio. A moderate who appeals to Democrats would be helpful on the ticket.

Chris Christie has no GOP support and Marco Rubio was criticized by the Left for drinking water.

I want someone who can win debates, Ted Cruz is a worldwide debate champion who obliterated Princeton and Harvard. Ted Cruz makes everyone cower in fear of his debate prowess.
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6/17/2013 7:42:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 6:55:07 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:17:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul / Ted Cruz 2016

Ben Carson for Health and Human Services in the Paul administration.

Why do we even need a HHS?

Even if there was no government intervention in healthcare, it would be wise to have an HHS secretary to advise the president on the health of he nation.
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6/18/2013 8:18:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 7:06:55 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:14:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/17/2013 4:04:41 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 6/16/2013 9:37:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
He doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though. The dude has no political experience at all or even executive experience for that matter. At least Herman Cain had executive experience as a CEO who turned a failing company around.

Obama had no political experience. He didn't have any leadership experience and no one seemed to give a damn.

Not true. Lawyer, Community Planner, State senator, and Senator.

That's a lot more than just a neurologist.

Obama didn't have any executive experience and was thin on the leadership experience as well.

Executive experience doesn't matter too much. He had political experience, which was most important.

All his political experience was in the realm of Chicago politics. That is cronyism to the nth degree in the worst run state in the union. While he had experience in politics I don't think it was necessarily good experience.

Croynism comes with being the president though :). You got to start croynism somewhere if you want to become president.
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6/18/2013 8:19:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
But Lewis, you can't really be saying that Ben Carson has more experience necessary for becoming president than Obama did when he was running?
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