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6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?
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6/20/2013 1:10:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Any period that people remember fondly is because the president was great. Any period we remember negatively is the president's fault. Albeit this is a lazy and simplistic account of events, that's just how people think. Hence Hoover caused the Great Depression, FDR killed Hitler and ended said depression, Reagan was a conservative economic hero, and Clinton was just great.
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6/20/2013 1:20:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 1:10:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Any period that people remember fondly is because the president was great. Any period we remember negatively is the president's fault. Albeit this is a lazy and simplistic account of events, that's just how people think. Hence Hoover caused the Great Depression, FDR killed Hitler and ended said depression, Reagan was a conservative economic hero, and Clinton was just great.

My dad's a righto libertarian (leaning AnCap) and absolutely adores Clinton lol.
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6/20/2013 1:33:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 1:20:02 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:10:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Any period that people remember fondly is because the president was great. Any period we remember negatively is the president's fault. Albeit this is a lazy and simplistic account of events, that's just how people think. Hence Hoover caused the Great Depression, FDR killed Hitler and ended said depression, Reagan was a conservative economic hero, and Clinton was just great.

My dad's a righto libertarian (leaning AnCap) and absolutely adores Clinton lol.

Clinton certainly has charisma and charm. And he did cut capital gains taxes and balanced the budget.
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6/20/2013 1:45:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Reagan is a uniting figure for conservatives far and wide; he was when he ran for president, when he was the president and he is now even after he's been dead for many years. There were many problems with the Reagan administration, but they are in the past -and because people know now that everything turned out alright. That, in addition to the fact that Reagan was an extremely likable, personable guy is why most people think of him fondly.

Moreover, Reagan has been gone for a long enough time that the challenges he faced and many of the problems he failed to overcome have been forgotten in popular memory, or are overshadowed by what amounts to a romanticized legacy. The 80s, as best I can tell, were a pretty good time and Reagan was an intrinsic figure of that decade.

The current state of affairs in the GOP only amplifies the tendency to remember the past fondly, because of how "less than wonderful" things are now. The Republican party is ideologically divided in a way that it hasn't been since 1964 and the party's leadership is looking for a way to reconcile shifting constituencies/aging demographics, the legacy of the 20th century moral majority with new philosophical developments (like the rise of libertarianism, especially in younger voters). Reagan, in the 1980s brought unity to what was an otherwise split "right wing" (beteween the Buckley Jr. school of thought and more libertarian elements within the party)-and the attempt to use him as a symbol of party unity is a direct effort to with his legacy achieve what Reagan did during his tenure in the Oval Office.
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6/20/2013 2:18:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

It probably had something to do with the guy before him (Carter) messing up a lot of stuff.... Great president almost always come immediately before or after some below average ones
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6/20/2013 2:25:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 2:18:39 PM, imabench wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

It probably had something to do with the guy before him (Carter) messing up a lot of stuff.... Great president almost always come immediately before or after some below average ones

That certainly helped. Carter is, I would say, the worst president in the history of the United States, and surely the worst president in the past 100 years. The fact that Reagan was everything Carter was not very likely contributed to the extent to which Reagan is perceived as an exceptional president.
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6/20/2013 2:29:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 1:10:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Any period that people remember fondly is because the president was great. Any period we remember negatively is the president's fault. Albeit this is a lazy and simplistic account of events, that's just how people think. Hence Hoover caused the Great Depression, FDR killed Hitler and ended said depression, Reagan was a conservative economic hero, and Clinton was just great.

And Dubya was an oil grubber because we happened to invade some oil-rich countries under his Presidency.
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6/20/2013 2:31:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 2:29:48 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:10:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Any period that people remember fondly is because the president was great. Any period we remember negatively is the president's fault. Albeit this is a lazy and simplistic account of events, that's just how people think. Hence Hoover caused the Great Depression, FDR killed Hitler and ended said depression, Reagan was a conservative economic hero, and Clinton was just great.

And Dubya was an oil grubber because we happened to invade some oil-rich countries under his Presidency.

*happened to*
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: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/20/2013 2:32:27 PM
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At 6/20/2013 2:29:48 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
And Dubya was an oil grubber because we happened to invade some oil-rich countries under his Presidency.

Are you saying that's a bad thing?
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6/20/2013 2:37:35 PM
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At 6/20/2013 2:31:03 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/20/2013 2:29:48 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:10:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Any period that people remember fondly is because the president was great. Any period we remember negatively is the president's fault. Albeit this is a lazy and simplistic account of events, that's just how people think. Hence Hoover caused the Great Depression, FDR killed Hitler and ended said depression, Reagan was a conservative economic hero, and Clinton was just great.

And Dubya was an oil grubber because we happened to invade some oil-rich countries under his Presidency.

*happened to*

Yes. It would have happened under Obama or Clinton as well.
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6/20/2013 2:37:54 PM
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At 6/20/2013 2:32:27 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/20/2013 2:29:48 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
And Dubya was an oil grubber because we happened to invade some oil-rich countries under his Presidency.

Are you saying that's a bad thing?

I was being sarcastic.
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6/20/2013 2:41:05 PM
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At 6/20/2013 2:37:35 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 6/20/2013 2:31:03 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/20/2013 2:29:48 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:10:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Any period that people remember fondly is because the president was great. Any period we remember negatively is the president's fault. Albeit this is a lazy and simplistic account of events, that's just how people think. Hence Hoover caused the Great Depression, FDR killed Hitler and ended said depression, Reagan was a conservative economic hero, and Clinton was just great.

And Dubya was an oil grubber because we happened to invade some oil-rich countries under his Presidency.

*happened to*

Yes. It would have happened under Obama or Clinton as well.

Probs. Doesn't mean it has incidental though which is what I meant.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/20/2013 2:45:12 PM
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Didn't you read the GOP scripture. It specifically says that the messiah will be a Hollywood actor. He will be assassinated, thought to be dead, but will survive in a miracle, demonstrating that he really is the one that fulfilling the GOP prophecy.
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6/20/2013 2:47:48 PM
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At 6/20/2013 2:45:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Didn't you read the GOP scripture. It specifically says that the messiah will be a Hollywood actor. He will be assassinated, thought to be dead, but will survive in a miracle, demonstrating that he really is the one that fulfilling the GOP prophecy.

I lol'd.
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6/20/2013 3:11:46 PM
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At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Well, Politician/Reagan worship annoys me too. Being I'm a Christian, I get annoyed at all my political friends around election time:

Friend: We have to campaign hard for this candidate! He is our only hope!

Me: Aren't you a Christian too?

Friend: Yes, yes I am.

Me: Then aren't you forgetting about someone... you know... up there?

Friend: You... you mean... Ronald Reagan?

Me: *Facepalm*

Look, I like Reagan, but I hate it when people literally treat him like Jesus. Or any other politician for that matter.
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6/20/2013 3:17:52 PM
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At 6/20/2013 1:20:02 PM, Noumena wrote:
My dad's a righto libertarian (leaning AnCap) and absolutely adores Clinton lol.

Impossible.

Clinton:

- Created the housing bubble that crashed the markets in 2008
- Supported a "Ministry of Truth" to control the Internet and allow only comments approved by government
- Introduced taking blood for DUI's and checkpoints
- Thumb scanners at the DMV
- Rode the tech boom boosted economy as if he had anything to do with it
- Tried to pass socialist healthcare
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6/20/2013 3:21:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 3:17:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:20:02 PM, Noumena wrote:
My dad's a righto libertarian (leaning AnCap) and absolutely adores Clinton lol.

Impossible.

Clinton:

- Created the housing bubble that crashed the markets in 2008
- Supported a "Ministry of Truth" to control the Internet and allow only comments approved by government
- Introduced taking blood for DUI's and checkpoints
- Thumb scanners at the DMV
- Rode the tech boom boosted economy as if he had anything to do with it
- Tried to pass socialist healthcare

What's that supposed to mean? I didn't say Clinton was kewl, only that someone happened to like him.
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: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/20/2013 3:28:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 3:21:27 PM, Noumena wrote:
What's that supposed to mean? I didn't say Clinton was kewl, only that someone happened to like him.

I'm saying it's impossible for a Libertarian to support Clinton.
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6/20/2013 3:45:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 3:28:42 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I'm saying it's impossible for a Libertarian to support Clinton.

Opponent in 1992: George Bush
Opponent in 1996: Bob Dole

Lol, not impossible.

Also he said his dad LIKED Clinton. That doesn't mean he agrees with him. I would smoke a cigar with Clinton...
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6/20/2013 4:03:23 PM
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I can't stand Obama worship. liberals treat him as a messiah. And who gets a Nobel Prize for what he might do in the future? Reagan had his flaws, he was probably the best president in the last 50 years. He was certainly the funnest.
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6/20/2013 4:48:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 3:28:42 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/20/2013 3:21:27 PM, Noumena wrote:
What's that supposed to mean? I didn't say Clinton was kewl, only that someone happened to like him.

I'm saying it's impossible for a Libertarian to support Clinton.

Who cares? I never said it was.
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: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/20/2013 5:07:11 PM
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At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Reagan was just average at best.
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6/20/2013 11:00:39 PM
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this is the best way i have ever seen Reagen discribed....
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6/21/2013 12:29:39 AM
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At 6/20/2013 5:07:11 PM, inferno wrote:
At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Reagan was just average at best.

I'd say that's a fair and accurate assessment.
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6/21/2013 5:03:29 PM
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It's important to understand that Reagan had massive achievements in American history at a time when we were looking weak. He saw a peaceful ending to the Cold War and changed the nation forever in tax policy.
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6/21/2013 5:04:45 PM
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I read a book recently called Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary Man became an Extraordinary Leader

You guys should read it.
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6/21/2013 6:49:04 PM
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At 6/20/2013 1:03:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
It seems to me that many conservatives essentially worship Reagan as a god. This confuses me because I just don't see the arguments for him being a great president, certainly above average but what makes Reagan so great in the minds of so many? Will someone explain please?

Nah, you're getting me confused with Reagan again. Conservatives worship me as god.
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6/21/2013 8:48:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 5:03:29 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
It's important to understand that Reagan had massive achievements in American history at a time when we were looking weak. He saw a peaceful ending to the Cold War and changed the nation forever in tax policy.

I wouldn't tout his tax history, he was the start of our downward spiral

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://www.ushistory.org...
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