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Is Granting Mass Amnesty Good For America?

JustCheNo
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6/23/2013 3:04:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Absolutely not, because...

1. The vast majority of American citizens don't want it. Don't believe the left wing media, the voters don't have a say in this travesty, but if they did it would never happen.

2) The 11 million figure is a blatant concocted LIE. In the 1980s the same politicians were saying there were 12 million illegals. 30 years later there are LESS? Give me a fricken break. The Heritage Foundation did an in depth study and found that the true number is somewhere in the neighborhood of 33 million.

3) Adding millions and millions of workers to the job pool will not only drive unemployment through the roof, it will permanently deflate wages for those who ARE employed.

Illegals take WAY MORE than they put into the economy, and it would be even worse if they were granted amnesty. Instant welfare, something they already get for their kids, now THEY'D be eligible for every single Socialist entitlement that American citizens are.

5) We tried it before and it failed miserably. The border was never secured, nor will it be this time. Amnesty only encouraged more illegals to come here, which has been devastating to the U.S. Economy.

6) Current day amnesty is AGAINST THE LAW. The president does not possess this authority, as unauthorized presence in the U.S. Is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Presidential pardon power only applies to federal crimes, described as "offenses against the United States" in the Constitution. As such, "a pardon can"t make someone a citizen or lawful resident".

7) There are so many thousands of other reasons they would fill a book.
"I will continue to enforce all the laws, including illegal immigration. Nothing changes." - Sheriff Joe Arpaio (American hero)
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6/23/2013 3:07:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 3:04:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:

Illegals take WAY MORE than they put into the economy, and it would be even worse if they were granted amnesty. Instant welfare, something they already get for their kids, now THEY'D be eligible for every single Socialist entitlement that American citizens are.

Is yer problem with "Socialist entitlement" period or only when it's given to brown people?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/23/2013 3:22:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 3:07:18 PM, Noumena wrote:

Is yer problem with "Socialist entitlement" period or only when it's given to brown people?

At 6/23/2013 3:04:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:

First off most illegals aren't brown, they're at least half European, so there went your race card argument, the only defense to illegal immigration you liberals seem to have.

Secondly the American citizens who are on welfare were born here, they aren't foreign criminals who hopped over a border fence to rape America. I'm against welfare altogether, but American citizens (who are BORN HERE) are entitled to it.

And third, grow a thicker skin libby. 80% of all illegals come from south of the border, from all races. And by the way, Mexican is not a race. Nor is Latino, or Hispanic or illegal. So put that lame card back in the deck and come up with a more logical excuse for your support of the destruction of America.
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6/23/2013 3:26:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 3:22:09 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:07:18 PM, Noumena wrote:

Is yer problem with "Socialist entitlement" period or only when it's given to brown people?

At 6/23/2013 3:04:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:

First off most illegals aren't brown, they're at least half European, so there went your race card argument, the only defense to illegal immigration you liberals seem to have.

I'm not a liberal and I wasn't running da race kard. It was an attempt at a joke.

Secondly the American citizens who are on welfare were born here, they aren't foreign criminals who hopped over a border fence to rape America. I'm against welfare altogether, but American citizens (who are BORN HERE) are entitled to it.

(1) Why is being born on this side of an arbitrary line entitle one to "Socialist entitlement"?
(2) Why are illegal immigrants 'wrong' in coming over illegally?, i.e., give me a reason which doesn't need to fall back on existing law. I'm asking for a justification of such.
(3) If yer "against welfare altogether" than how can you support bequeathing it to anyone, much less domestic-born peoples?

And third, grow a thicker skin libby. 80% of all illegals come from south of the border, from all races. And by the way, Mexican is not a race. Nor is Latino, or Hispanic or illegal. So put that lame card back in the deck and come up with a more logical excuse for your support of the destruction of America.

How old are you per chance?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.
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6/23/2013 3:39:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW.

Do you think law is self-justifying?

And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Interesting.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/23/2013 4:04:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You must not hear so well. I said that I was AGAINST the law (at least twice). Clean your ears out and try to come up with a rational explanation of why you support mass amnesty for criminal invaders instead of going off on tangents.
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6/23/2013 4:13:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 4:04:58 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
You must not hear so well. I said that I was AGAINST the law (at least twice). Clean your ears out and try to come up with a rational explanation of why you support mass amnesty for criminal invaders instead of going off on tangents.

I asked a question that was linked to yer own implicit justification of condemning illegal immigrants, the fact that they're committing a crime. I asked if you think that law is self-justifying, i.e., if a law is justified (or creates an onus on one to follow it) simply by virtue of being a law. Since the answer to this question is necessarily linked to yer opposition I highly disagree with it being a mere tangent.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/23/2013 4:13:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What have you got against immigrants?
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6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.
My work here is, finally, done.
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6/23/2013 4:53:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 3:04:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Absolutely not, because...

1. The vast majority of American citizens don't want it. Don't believe the left wing media, the voters don't have a say in this travesty, but if they did it would never happen.

Really? the vast majority huh? I tend not to take any media serious until I've done my own research. But just a pro tip, when trying to act like your making a logical argument, do not start with "don't trust the (insert political party here) media" And you call it a travesty, well yes Immigrants could be seen as such, hell Native Americains agree with you.....

2) The 11 million figure is a blatant concocted LIE. In the 1980s the same politicians were saying there were 12 million illegals. 30 years later there are LESS? Give me a fricken break. The Heritage Foundation did an in depth study and found that the true number is somewhere in the neighborhood of 33 million.

Another pro tip, don't quote the Heritage foundation, not if you want to be taken seriously by anyone other then you base....

3) Adding millions and millions of workers to the job pool will not only drive unemployment through the roof, it will permanently deflate wages for those who ARE employed.

Yes because the picking of fruit, dish washing, and landscaping jobs are not only the cornerstone of our economy, but also most favored and sought after jobs in this country......

Illegals take WAY MORE than they put into the economy, and it would be even worse if they were granted amnesty. Instant welfare, something they already get for their kids, now THEY'D be eligible for every single Socialist entitlement that American citizens are.

ah so they will all be on welfare, and here we insert another pro tip, don't channel Reagan, nothing good ever comes of it... as Glenn Beck sees Nazi's everywhere, Reagan seen socialists...

5) We tried it before and it failed miserably. The border was never secured, nor will it be this time. Amnesty only encouraged more illegals to come here, which has been devastating to the U.S. Economy.

No 2 wars we couldn't afford and was conned into entering, tax breaks for the rich, tax breaks to company's shipping jobs over seas, Medicare part D prescription plan, Hell just GW Bush in general was "devastating to the US Economy" but LOL we don't want to talk about those minor things right?

6) Current day amnesty is AGAINST THE LAW. The president does not possess this authority, as unauthorized presence in the U.S. Is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Presidential pardon power only applies to federal crimes, described as "offenses against the United States" in the Constitution. As such, "a pardon can"t make someone a citizen or lawful resident".

So ok, it's a "civil violation", not a criminal one, but yet these people are criminals? and the PotUS can offer such a thing to those born in the united states since they are US citizens by birthright.... but let's get back to your whole "these rotten fruit picking, dish washing, landscaping socialist, criminals are stealing our jobs" rant.

7) There are so many thousands of other reasons they would fill a book.
Funny, i was just thinking the same number of reasons why you could be considered to be a racist bigot. The book would be called " Illigals, the fall of jobs nobody else wants, but we must protect for all those born in america for 3 generations..."

here's you sign......
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6/23/2013 4:57:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.

And Spinko is 17, which puts this guy at 34. That would be around during what, the first Bush years?
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6/23/2013 5:01:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 4:57:49 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.

And Spinko is 17, which puts this guy at 34. That would be around during what, the first Bush years?

Heck, from the way he is talking I was going to say around the time Franklin Pierce was voted out.....
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6/23/2013 5:08:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 4:57:49 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.

And Spinko is 17, which puts this guy at 34. That would be around during what, the first Bush years?

18 you socialist scum.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/23/2013 5:12:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 5:08:08 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:57:49 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.

And Spinko is 17, which puts this guy at 34. That would be around during what, the first Bush years?

18 you socialist scum.

wow
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6/23/2013 5:40:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 4:13:59 PM, muzebreak wrote:
What have you got against immigrants?

Ho Hum, I notice that so far nobody has answered the simple question that was posted except for me. Is granting mass amnesty good for America? By the way, for all you simple minded people out there, there's a big difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. So stop with your inane diversions and the race card and tell me why you believe that mass amnesty is good in any way, shape or form.
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6/23/2013 5:44:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
How bout answer the question about why you think mass amnesty is a good thing for America instead of bouncing around to every other topic you can think of. Reagan was an a'hole who proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that amnesty doesn't work and that the government never keeps it's word.
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6/23/2013 5:49:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 5:40:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:13:59 PM, muzebreak wrote:
What have you got against immigrants?

Ho Hum, I notice that so far nobody has answered the simple question that was posted except for me. Is granting mass amnesty good for America? By the way, for all you simple minded people out there, there's a big difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. So stop with your inane diversions and the race card and tell me why you believe that mass amnesty is good in any way, shape or form.

Ah you call us simple minded, yet can't comprehend the fact we have answered your question, would you like my to write it in crayon for you?
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6/23/2013 5:54:08 PM
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This is what I think: If you do not commit any crimes, if you a means of supporting yourself, and you do not rely off of ANY welfare (excluding education), it shouldn't be a problem for you to come to the United States.
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6/23/2013 6:03:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 5:40:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:13:59 PM, muzebreak wrote:
What have you got against immigrants?

Ho Hum, I notice that so far nobody has answered the simple question that was posted except for me. Is granting mass amnesty good for America? By the way, for all you simple minded people out there, there's a big difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. So stop with your inane diversions and the race card and tell me why you believe that mass amnesty is good in any way, shape or form.

I don't care to answer your question, though others have, because I'm not american. I live in Europe, where you are allowed to live in any country part of the European union. My British passports allows me to live and work in any country that Is part of the EU, and It seems to work out fine. Now, I'll ask again, and I'd appreciate if you didn't pin rhetoric that isn't mine, on me again. What is your problem with immigrants? Why should there be any standard for who can and cannot live in a country?
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6/23/2013 6:10:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 5:40:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:13:59 PM, muzebreak wrote:
What have you got against immigrants?

Ho Hum, I notice that so far nobody has answered the simple question that was posted except for me. Is granting mass amnesty good for America? By the way, for all you simple minded people out there, there's a big difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. So stop with your inane diversions and the race card and tell me why you believe that mass amnesty is good in any way, shape or form.

LOL want to point out something just for fun, see you answered your own question and didn't even realize it, which isn't surprising. yes there is a difference between legal and illegals, which answers your question and will give it your own words

6) Current day amnesty is AGAINST THE LAW. The president does not possess this authority, as unauthorized presence in the U.S. Is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Presidential pardon power only applies to federal crimes, described as "offenses against the United States" in the Constitution. As such, "a pardon can"t make someone a citizen or lawful resident".

now if you could look up the word illegal for me that would be awesome, it's in a dictionary, just look under "I" and if you still have trouble then please continue to add letters till you find it, here is a hint, the next letter would be "L"
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6/23/2013 6:58:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 5:12:31 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
At 6/23/2013 5:08:08 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:57:49 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.

And Spinko is 17, which puts this guy at 34. That would be around during what, the first Bush years?

18 you socialist scum.

wow

T'was a joke. I called a prominent user a bourgeois scum yesterday as well.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/24/2013 1:25:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 3:04:00 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Absolutely not, because...

1. The vast majority of American citizens don't want it. Don't believe the left wing media, the voters don't have a say in this travesty, but if they did it would never happen.

Don't care. Just because the majority wants/doesn't want something is irrelevant as to its merit. This is why we don't live in a democracy.

2) The 11 million figure is a blatant concocted LIE. In the 1980s the same politicians were saying there were 12 million illegals. 30 years later there are LESS? Give me a fricken break. The Heritage Foundation did an in depth study and found that the true number is somewhere in the neighborhood of 33 million.

So? Is the number the issue, or the principle? With the way you are talking, it seems the latter, so this point is moot.

3) Adding millions and millions of workers to the job pool will not only drive unemployment through the roof, it will permanently deflate wages for those who ARE employed.

This is a valid concern.

Illegals take WAY MORE than they put into the economy, and it would be even worse if they were granted amnesty. Instant welfare, something they already get for their kids, now THEY'D be eligible for every single Socialist entitlement that American citizens are.

This is dependant upon the amnesty wording, isn't it? If the illegals were to instantly become citizens, but forgo most welfare, this isn't an issue. From what I have heard, they must wait 10 years before getting any most government aid.

Why do you say they take way more than they put in? Why would this still be the case if they were legal citizens?

5) We tried it before and it failed miserably. The border was never secured, nor will it be this time. Amnesty only encouraged more illegals to come here, which has been devastating to the U.S. Economy.

Tangental to the argument at hand.

6) Current day amnesty is AGAINST THE LAW. The president does not possess this authority, as unauthorized presence in the U.S. Is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Presidential pardon power only applies to federal crimes, described as "offenses against the United States" in the Constitution. As such, "a pardon can"t make someone a citizen or lawful resident".

I thought this was a legislative issue with a legislative answer, not an executive one. How did Reagan do this, then?


7) There are so many thousands of other reasons they would fill a book.
So far, you've got one. And, frankly, this would apply to any immigration.
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6/24/2013 9:43:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/23/2013 6:58:49 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/23/2013 5:12:31 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
At 6/23/2013 5:08:08 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:57:49 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.

And Spinko is 17, which puts this guy at 34. That would be around during what, the first Bush years?

18 you socialist scum.

I believe it was 17 yesterday, dollar-humping capitalist slug.
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6/24/2013 9:52:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 9:43:08 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 6/23/2013 6:58:49 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/23/2013 5:12:31 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
At 6/23/2013 5:08:08 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:57:49 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 6/23/2013 4:40:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/23/2013 3:35:49 PM, JustCheNo wrote:
Why is it alright for American citizens to be entitled to Socialist entitlements? Well I guess the simple answer would be, because IT'S THE LAW. And like I said, I'm against ALL of them.

So, why is illegal immigration an issue, if you are opposed to their being a law prohibiting them from being here?

And I'm twice as old a you. Able to remember a time when America spoke English, mowed their own lawn, and respected the sovereignty and immigration laws of the United States of America.

Oh, was that before Reagan and the first wave of amnesty? Now, since illegal immigration was an issue then, you must be referring to a time possibly before Nixon, I'm guessing.

And Spinko is 17, which puts this guy at 34. That would be around during what, the first Bush years?

18 you socialist scum.

I believe it was 17 yesterday, dollar-humping capitalist slug.


I'd watch that.
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6/24/2013 5:20:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I just don't understand how granting amnesty to over 11 million illegal immigrants, most of them with little to no education, can be justified while 4 million legal immigrants still wait in line for their citizenship to be approved.
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6/24/2013 6:25:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 5:20:19 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
I just don't understand how granting amnesty to over 11 million illegal immigrants, most of them with little to no education, can be justified while 4 million legal immigrants still wait in line for their citizenship to be approved.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

Clearly Democrats STILL haven't learned from Reagan's disastrous mistake and want to repeat it with 11 time more illegals. They are therefore, INSANE.
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6/24/2013 6:31:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Is Granting Mass Amnesty Good For America?

Ya because there are 11 million low wage "lagit" jobs to be filled.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/24/2013 6:35:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 6:31:48 PM, sadolite wrote:
Is Granting Mass Amnesty Good For America?

Ya because there are 11 million low wage "lagit" jobs to be filled.

I just thought of something. Now that they will be legal, they wont be able to work under the table anymore. HMM careful what you ask for.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/24/2013 6:46:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 6:35:17 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/24/2013 6:31:48 PM, sadolite wrote:
Is Granting Mass Amnesty Good For America?

Ya because there are 11 million low wage "lagit" jobs to be filled.

I just thought of something. Now that they will be legal, they wont be able to work under the table anymore. HMM careful what you ask for.

Just thought of something else, now that you are lagit your free medical care wont be free anymore. now you have to buy health insurance, That could run you as much as 15,000 a year and will be crappier to. No more hiding income and collecting the myriad of welfare services available to them now. It be like cutting off your nose despite your face. Right now it's no questions asked, we don't care who you are or if you are a legal citizen. If you become legal you'll just join the rest of us poor fools who pay taxes out the ying yang and get nothing but lip service and endless forms to fill out and show id's and prove you did this and prove you earned that.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%