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Is The Race Card A Liberal's Only Answer?

JustCheNo
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6/25/2013 9:42:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Anyone with more than a baker"s dozen brain cells to rub together understands that liberal Demokrats love playing that race card.

They play the race card for any number of reasons." First and foremost, liberals use the race card to shut critics up. "They can not make a reasoned argument, backed with facts to support their claims. So they resort to calling their opponents racists or bigots.

The race card is also played by liberals to make those in the black community feel like white conservatives hate them." Its brainwashing." Its propaganda." This is a political ploy by Demokrats to keep the allegiance of black voters."

And of course they also use the race card cover up their own racist viewpoints and to broadcast their own political correctness especially when there are other people around.

Think about these common examples that we see day in and day out...

" If you're against illegal immigration. you're a racist.

" If you believe that George Zimmerman had a right to defend himself, you're a racist.

" If you're don't like Obama, you're a racist.

" If you want voters to provide proof of their identity, you're a racist.

" If you're against welfare, you're a racist

" If you're against the Dream Act, you're a racist.

" If you want budget cuts, you're a racist.

" If you support Arizona enforcing immigration laws, you're a racist.

* If you're against unions, you're a racist

" If you're for the death penalty, you're a racist.

* And of course the old standby. ALL members of the Tea Party are "racists"
"I will continue to enforce all the laws, including illegal immigration. Nothing changes." - Sheriff Joe Arpaio (American hero)
Stephen_Hawkins
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6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. I will give you a handyjay in the men's locker room if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".
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dylancatlow
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6/25/2013 9:54:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. I will give you a handyjay in the men's locker room if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".

You'll just deny that the person he finds is a 'proper liberal.' Not that I necessarily agree with anything he said.
Stephen_Hawkins
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6/25/2013 9:55:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:54:40 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. I will give you a handyjay in the men's locker room if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".

You'll just deny that the person he finds is a 'proper liberal.' Not that I necessarily agree with anything he said.

With most, I'll be honest I probably will as they'd not be liberal. I've set out numerous times what makes someone a liberal, however. Moreover, if it can be found that I said it, then I'll find the locker room.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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Stephen_Hawkins
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6/25/2013 9:57:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:55:51 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 6/25/2013 9:54:40 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. I will give you a handyjay in the men's locker room if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".

You'll just deny that the person he finds is a 'proper liberal.' Not that I necessarily agree with anything he said.

With most, I'll be honest I probably will as they'd not be liberal. I've set out numerous times what makes someone a liberal, however. Moreover, if it can be found that I said it, then I'll find the locker room.

To clarify on liberalism (and conservatism):

Liberal: Supports individualism, liberty, justice, tolerance, and reason and almost always (exception of Hobbes) constitutionalism and Capitalism. Liberty can be either emphasised negatively (classical liberals) or positively (social or modern liberals). To be clear, those two terms aren't pejoratives, but are the technical terms used by Isaiah Berlin. Defined by a mixed view of human nature as being egoistical, selfish, and yet rational and economic. All other values are derived from this one.

Classical Liberal: Believes liberal values, with support of small state, heavily defends the private sphere as the non-governmental, strongly opposes collectivism on principle. Usually atomistic (people are atoms; communities are purely and only multiple individuals), and almost always strongly constitutionalist (doesn't mean pro-constitution, means all constitutional measures e.g. devolution, federalism, etc.). Is essentially defined by a complete support for negative freedom.

Modern Liberal: Believes in liberal values, with support of a small state (compared to conservatives, socialists, hegelians, fascists, nationalists, feminists etc. it is still by far and away a supporter of small state), but larger than the classical liberal. Heavily defends the private sphere as the non-collectives. Strongly supports positive freedom (defined by it in fact), constitutionalism, and support for welfare-to-work programmes (welfare is for the aim of either rewarding hard work [pensions] or for putting you back into it [directly through jobseeker's allowance, indirectly to keep you surviving by free bus tickets etc]).

Libertarians: Classical Liberals with an attitude. Basically can be put down to people not wanting to be associated with the modern liberals, or more cynically to be able to insult liberals whilst not seeming to harm their own stance.

Conservatives: Strong support of skepticism and empiricism. Defined by a negative view of human nature, where humans are selfish and egoistic, but also irrational in the main. All other values are derived from this. Strongly supports tradition, empiricism, private property, and most importantly law and order; stability. Revolutionary countries tend to by virtue of being revolutionary not be conservative. It is very difficult to say much more than this - Capitalism tends to be supported, but usually supplemented by either neo-conservatism or neo-feudalism (the neo is ironic really as they're "blast to the past" rather than "going forward" supplements). Tend to avoid needless change.

Politics in society of course is usually made up of a combination of these (and socialism of course). If you have any questions, feel free to send me a pm. I can also provide citations for most of these claims (primary and secondary - political philosophy student) and answer any questions (such as how to derive values). This should clear up most of the misconceptions thrown about by partisan individuals however.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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Mirza
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6/25/2013 9:58:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. ---- if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".
Nobody has to say something directly in order to imply it. If there's a pattern that resembles the saying, then these share the same message. Chris Matthews calls everyone who states facts about food stamps racist. Perhaps he's not a "proper liberal" -- nice NT Scotsman fallacy there, English boy -- I thought you guys hated anything with Scot in it.
dylancatlow
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6/25/2013 10:03:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:02:09 AM, benevolent wrote:
I'm actually a communist, JustCheNO - sorry to disappoint you.

Yes, because I'm sure he wants to belong to the same group as someone who says "F*ck black people IMO"
benevolent
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6/25/2013 10:04:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:03:22 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:02:09 AM, benevolent wrote:
I'm actually a communist, JustCheNO - sorry to disappoint you.

Yes, because I'm sure he wants to belong to the same group as someone who says "F*ck black people IMO"

I actually love black people. I wish we had more of them in Ireland - I feel bad when they feel bad about not fitting in. And he just friend requested me telling me he likes how I think, so...
benevolent
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6/25/2013 10:05:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I would be pro-affirmative action and pro-welfare, for example. And I know neither is perfect, but something has to be done.
benevolent
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6/25/2013 10:07:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:05:46 AM, benevolent wrote:
I would be pro-affirmative action and pro-welfare, for example. And I know neither is perfect, but something has to be done.

I'd be communist more so than either, then, of course.
Stephen_Hawkins
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6/25/2013 10:07:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:58:54 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. ---- if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".
Nobody has to say something directly in order to imply it. If there's a pattern that resembles the saying, then these share the same message. Chris Matthews calls everyone who states facts about food stamps racist. Perhaps he's not a "proper liberal" -- nice NT Scotsman fallacy there, English boy -- I thought you guys hated anything with Scot in it.

Because I have no idea who Chris Matthews is, let me rephrase:

Either:
1) Find someone in this site saying it explicitly or clearly implying that "opposing trade unions are racist", or something along those lines, or
2) Derive from the nature of liberalism the belief that one race can be superior to another.

I say "proper liberal" like I say "proper conservative": someone who actually is a liberal, and not just adopted the mask. Ronald Reagan for example is not conservative: he is New Right. It'd be like going "Oh she's not a nationalist if she does not support the right to self-determination". It's part of the charm.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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benevolent
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6/25/2013 10:09:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:58:46 AM, benevolent wrote:
F*ck black people IMO

I jokingly called JustCheNo a racist, pretty much.
Mirza
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6/25/2013 10:10:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:07:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Because I have no idea who Chris Matthews is, let me rephrase:
A joke in human form. MSNBC pundit, check him out.
benevolent
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6/25/2013 10:11:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
People fall into the niches they feel society has laid out for them. A kid growing up in the ghetto, no support from outside, is going to grow up ghetto.
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6/25/2013 10:15:31 AM
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Abolishing welfare and hoping everyone just goes out and gets a job seems an absolutely ridiculous idea.
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6/25/2013 10:17:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:04:46 AM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:03:22 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:02:09 AM, benevolent wrote:
I'm actually a communist, JustCheNO - sorry to disappoint you.

Yes, because I'm sure he wants to belong to the same group as someone who says "F*ck black people IMO"

I actually love black people. I wish we had more of them in Ireland - I feel bad when they feel bad about not fitting in. And he just friend requested me telling me he likes how I think, so...

Excuse me for failing to interpret a non-contextual 'F*ck black people IMO' as 'I love black people.'
benevolent
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6/25/2013 10:19:16 AM
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At 6/25/2013 10:17:52 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:04:46 AM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:03:22 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:02:09 AM, benevolent wrote:
I'm actually a communist, JustCheNO - sorry to disappoint you.

Yes, because I'm sure he wants to belong to the same group as someone who says "F*ck black people IMO"

I actually love black people. I wish we had more of them in Ireland - I feel bad when they feel bad about not fitting in. And he just friend requested me telling me he likes how I think, so...

Excuse me for failing to interpret a non-contextual 'F*ck black people IMO' as 'I love black people.'

No worries, dude :P That's not who I am, though.
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6/25/2013 10:20:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:19:16 AM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:17:52 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:04:46 AM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:03:22 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:02:09 AM, benevolent wrote:
I'm actually a communist, JustCheNO - sorry to disappoint you.

Yes, because I'm sure he wants to belong to the same group as someone who says "F*ck black people IMO"

I actually love black people. I wish we had more of them in Ireland - I feel bad when they feel bad about not fitting in. And he just friend requested me telling me he likes how I think, so...

Excuse me for failing to interpret a non-contextual 'F*ck black people IMO' as 'I love black people.'

No worries, dude :P That's not who I am, though.

How's the book going?
benevolent
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6/25/2013 10:20:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I was struggling with feelings that JustCheNo actually is a racist, to be honest, or that he might as well be.
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6/25/2013 10:21:09 AM
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10% through, dude. Thanks again! I was pretty tired yesterday. I'ma start reading again now shortly!
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6/25/2013 10:24:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:58:54 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. ---- if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".
Nobody has to say something directly in order to imply it. If there's a pattern that resembles the saying, then these share the same message. Chris Matthews calls everyone who states facts about food stamps racist. Perhaps he's not a "proper liberal" -- nice NT Scotsman fallacy there, English boy -- I thought you guys hated anything with Scot in it.
And this is why Black people pull the black card!
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6/25/2013 10:27:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:23:02 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/25/2013 10:22:14 AM, benevolent wrote:
whoa multi-post!!!

you're easily impressed, no?

They cued my time to leave, I thought... guess not.
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6/25/2013 10:27:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 10:24:48 AM, kyree_lover wrote:
At 6/25/2013 9:58:54 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/25/2013 9:47:35 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Find any liberal (myself, for example) who has ever said this, ever. Seriously. ---- if you can find any proper liberal saying "If you're against Trade Unions, you are racist".
Nobody has to say something directly in order to imply it. If there's a pattern that resembles the saying, then these share the same message. Chris Matthews calls everyone who states facts about food stamps racist. Perhaps he's not a "proper liberal" -- nice NT Scotsman fallacy there, English boy -- I thought you guys hated anything with Scot in it.
And this is why Black people pull the black card!

you're too pretty to be a real user, i call shenanigans!
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6/25/2013 10:43:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 9:42:30 AM, JustCheNo wrote:
" If you're against illegal immigration. you're a racist.

No, you're a racist if your reasons are racist--for instance, arguing that people from Mexico are inherently untrustworthy or violent.

" If you believe that George Zimmerman had a right to defend himself, you're a racist.

Only if you believe he was defending himself because Trayvon was young and black.

" If you're don't like Obama, you're a racist.

Again, depends on why you don't like Obama.

" If you want voters to provide proof of their identity, you're a racist.

If your reasons are racist, then yes. Alternatively, something can disproportionately affect certain races without conscious intention.

" If you're against welfare, you're a racist

See above.

" If you're against the Dream Act, you're a racist.

See above.

" If you want budget cuts, you're a racist.

What budget cuts are we talking about?

" If you support Arizona enforcing immigration laws, you're a racist.

Depends. Do you or do you not support the practice of racial profiling?