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Michael Hastings Assassinated Remotely?

GeoLaureate8
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6/25/2013 12:47:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Was Buzzfeed journalist, Michael Hastings assassinated? Just as he was writing investigative stories on the CIA and NSA, his car crashes into a tree and exploded with the engine flying 100 ft.

According to the New York Times:

"With a modest amount of expertise, computer hackers could gain remote access to someone"s car " just as they do to people"s personal computers " and take over the vehicle"s basic functions, including control of its engine, according to a report by computer scientists from the University of California, San Diego and the University of Washington.

Because many of today"s cars contain cellular connections and Bluetooth wireless technology, it is possible for a hacker [CIA?], working from a remote location, to take control of various features " like the car locks and brakes " as well as to track the vehicle"s location, eavesdrop on its cabin and steal vehicle data, the researchers said. They described a range of potential compromises of car security and safety."

http://www.nytimes.com...

Sounds like the recent Sharyl Atkisson CBS journalist incident where the Federal government remotely turned on her computers at night and spied on her. She was reporting on Fast and Furious.

http://www.newsmax.com...

But never mind all that, Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist.
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6/25/2013 12:50:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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-- Frederic Bastiat
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6/25/2013 12:59:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You're like the boy who cried wolf. It's not that I dismiss the possibility that you might be right on one or some of these issues, but the sheer number and impetuosity of your conspiracy theories suggests how little thought and how little caution you put into espousing your beliefs. Stop being such a conspiratorial hack.
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6/25/2013 1:00:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 12:59:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
You're like the boy who cried wolf. It's not that I dismiss the possibility that you might be right on one or some of these issues, but the sheer number and impetuosity of your conspiracy theories suggests how little thought and how little caution you put into espousing your beliefs. Stop being such a conspiratorial hack.
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6/25/2013 1:18:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 12:59:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
You're like the boy who cried wolf. It's not that I dismiss the possibility that you might be right on one or some of these issues, but the sheer number and impetuosity of your conspiracy theories suggests how little thought and how little caution you put into espousing your beliefs. Stop being such a conspiratorial hack.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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6/25/2013 1:22:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 12:47:37 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Was Buzzfeed journalist, Michael Hastings assassinated? Just as he was writing investigative stories on the CIA and NSA, his car crashes into a tree and exploded with the engine flying 100 ft.

According to the New York Times:

"With a modest amount of expertise, computer hackers could gain remote access to someone"s car " just as they do to people"s personal computers " and take over the vehicle"s basic functions, including control of its engine, according to a report by computer scientists from the University of California, San Diego and the University of Washington.

Because many of today"s cars contain cellular connections and Bluetooth wireless technology, it is possible for a hacker [CIA?], working from a remote location, to take control of various features " like the car locks and brakes " as well as to track the vehicle"s location, eavesdrop on its cabin and steal vehicle data, the researchers said. They described a range of potential compromises of car security and safety."

http://www.nytimes.com...

Sounds like the recent Sharyl Atkisson CBS journalist incident where the Federal government remotely turned on her computers at night and spied on her. She was reporting on Fast and Furious.

http://www.newsmax.com...

But never mind all that, Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist.

Yes, he is.
If the CIA could do this, then why haven't they done this to Mr. Jones yet? Or ten years ago?
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6/25/2013 1:59:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
That study featured on NYTimes was in controlled conditions. In real life, you'd have to at least know the IP address of the specific car. Considering how most cellular networks assign IP addresses dynamically (meaning it might not be the same one tomorrow), it would be near impossible to find his specific car without direct access. Furthermore, to determine that the car being hacked was the cause of this, you'd have to prove that the system for cruise control is connected to the wireless system in such a way that it can be controlled by the wireless. It'd help if you had circuit board schematics for the Mercedes he was driving. Or if you got a statement from the company's engineers about the way their cars are set up.

For that matter, they found a beer bottle near the crash site, so he could have just been drunk.
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6/25/2013 2:08:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 1:22:59 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/25/2013 12:47:37 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Was Buzzfeed journalist, Michael Hastings assassinated? Just as he was writing investigative stories on the CIA and NSA, his car crashes into a tree and exploded with the engine flying 100 ft.

According to the New York Times:

"With a modest amount of expertise, computer hackers could gain remote access to someone"s car " just as they do to people"s personal computers " and take over the vehicle"s basic functions, including control of its engine, according to a report by computer scientists from the University of California, San Diego and the University of Washington.

Because many of today"s cars contain cellular connections and Bluetooth wireless technology, it is possible for a hacker [CIA?], working from a remote location, to take control of various features " like the car locks and brakes " as well as to track the vehicle"s location, eavesdrop on its cabin and steal vehicle data, the researchers said. They described a range of potential compromises of car security and safety."

http://www.nytimes.com...

Sounds like the recent Sharyl Atkisson CBS journalist incident where the Federal government remotely turned on her computers at night and spied on her. She was reporting on Fast and Furious.

http://www.newsmax.com...

But never mind all that, Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist.

Yes, he is.
If the CIA could do this, then why haven't they done this to Mr. Jones yet? Or ten years ago?

He probably has his car coated in tinfoil.
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6/25/2013 3:56:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 2:10:55 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
What type of car was it, and year?

It was allegedly a Mercedes C250. I'm unsure of the year.
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6/25/2013 4:19:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
All of America's major news associations have done reports on CIA and NSA hacking, so nitpicking one journalist death and saying "his car was controlled!" is stupid. Sure, it's possible, but unlikely seeing as far more inflammatory individuals have not been killed in similar means.

Also, hacking into a car is significantly more difficult that spy movies make it seem. The amount of foreknowledge that would be required to plan the attack is frankly a waste of time while Snowden is at large. (Not that Snowden should be killed.)
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6/25/2013 6:19:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is ridiculous. While it is perfectly plausible for someone to hack in to a cars inboard computer systems, dependeding on the year and make of the car. The NSA or CIA doing so is an absurd idea. Ask any computer tech with the government. Their defense is, at best, half decent, but their offence is complete crap. There are so many way easier ways to kill a person, that would leave less room for doubt.
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6/25/2013 7:43:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/25/2013 3:56:48 PM, drhead wrote:
At 6/25/2013 2:10:55 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
What type of car was it, and year?

It was allegedly a Mercedes C250. I'm unsure of the year.

Well, the C class has been around since 93. I'm not sure when it became a "drive by wire" if ever, but if it ever did, it must have been extremely recently. On the vast majority of cars, they are still completely mechanical (meaning the steering is a physical process, as are the breaks, accelerator, etc), so they cannot be "hacked" and taken over. They may be able to hack into the car's computer if it has blue tooth or 3G receivers, but there is little they can do, other than turn off some sensors or kill the engine. But making it crash (by taking over steering, braking, or acceleration) is stupid.

Oh wait, we're talking about Geo.
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