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Freedomaniac
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12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.
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12/4/2009 8:57:54 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I may consider joining Cody's Nazi Socialist Party and becoming fascistic ;)
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12/4/2009 9:07:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 8:57:54 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I may consider joining Cody's Nazi Socialist Party and becoming fascistic ;)

I'm not a national socialist.
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12/4/2009 9:11:44 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:07:16 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:57:54 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I may consider joining Cody's Nazi Socialist Party and becoming fascistic ;)

I'm not a national socialist.

Well, we're watchting Hitler: The Rise to Power in my history class, so it's the first thing that entered my mind.
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12/4/2009 9:13:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:11:44 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:07:16 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:57:54 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I may consider joining Cody's Nazi Socialist Party and becoming fascistic ;)

I'm not a national socialist.

Well, we're watchting Hitler: The Rise to Power in my history class, so it's the first thing that entered my mind.

You mean Hitler: Rise of Evil? Or are you discussing a separate movie altogether?
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12/4/2009 9:16:43 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:13:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:11:44 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:07:16 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:57:54 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I may consider joining Cody's Nazi Socialist Party and becoming fascistic ;)

I'm not a national socialist.

Well, we're watchting Hitler: The Rise to Power in my history class, so it's the first thing that entered my mind.

You mean Hitler: Rise of Evil? Or are you discussing a separate movie altogether?

Yes. I knew the title had something with the word "evil" in it, but I couldn't exactly remember so I just summarized what I feel the movie is about.

Have you seen the movie? If so, I would like to ask you several questions about it. It's the only video I've stayed awake through in history class thus far.
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12/4/2009 9:18:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
How could you answer that question until you knew what convinced you?
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12/4/2009 9:19:35 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:16:43 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:13:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:11:44 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:07:16 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:57:54 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I may consider joining Cody's Nazi Socialist Party and becoming fascistic ;)

I'm not a national socialist.

Well, we're watchting Hitler: The Rise to Power in my history class, so it's the first thing that entered my mind.

You mean Hitler: Rise of Evil? Or are you discussing a separate movie altogether?

Yes. I knew the title had something with the word "evil" in it, but I couldn't exactly remember so I just summarized what I feel the movie is about.

Have you seen the movie? If so, I would like to ask you several questions about it. It's the only video I've stayed awake through in history class thus far.

That is an absolutely fantastic movie in my mind.
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12/4/2009 9:20:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:18:53 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How could you answer that question until you knew what convinced you?

I sure hope your not going to just keep coming up with ways to get around the question.
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12/4/2009 9:21:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:20:08 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:18:53 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How could you answer that question until you knew what convinced you?

I sure hope your not going to just keep coming up with ways to get around the question.

I actually had the same thoughts. Your question is ridiculous.
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12/4/2009 9:21:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:20:08 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:18:53 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How could you answer that question until you knew what convinced you?

I sure hope your not going to just keep coming up with ways to get around the question.

It's a legitimate question; if you don't know the particular factors leading to your decision, it would be difficult to predict where you would go from there.
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12/4/2009 9:24:56 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:21:16 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:20:08 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:18:53 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How could you answer that question until you knew what convinced you?

I sure hope your not going to just keep coming up with ways to get around the question.

It's a legitimate question; if you don't know the particular factors leading to your decision, it would be difficult to predict where you would go from there.

So you people have seriously never thought of a back-up?
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I am my own God and the free market is my Jesus.

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12/4/2009 9:28:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:24:56 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
So you people have seriously never thought of a back-up?

If my core beliefs are somehow completely dismantled, something drastic must have occured - which would have obviously dismantled my back-up plan. Whatever event caused this, would probably cause me to think a way that I have never thought of before. A better question would be questioning what our second favorite political and economic system is.
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12/4/2009 9:29:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:19:35 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:16:43 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:13:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:11:44 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:07:16 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:57:54 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I may consider joining Cody's Nazi Socialist Party and becoming fascistic ;)

I'm not a national socialist.

Well, we're watchting Hitler: The Rise to Power in my history class, so it's the first thing that entered my mind.

You mean Hitler: Rise of Evil? Or are you discussing a separate movie altogether?

Yes. I knew the title had something with the word "evil" in it, but I couldn't exactly remember so I just summarized what I feel the movie is about.

Have you seen the movie? If so, I would like to ask you several questions about it. It's the only video I've stayed awake through in history class thus far.

That is an absolutely fantastic movie in my mind.

I find it quite interesting.

Most kids in my class feel that the movie is a misrepresentation, and since I don't exactly know Hitler's life story, I was wondering if you could answer (based on the film):

1) If Hitler ever chose to become homeless and leave home. (Remember, he was in his suit and laid down at the street corner with his briefcase)
2) If Hitler really did exit his art exam. (Remember, he crumpled the paper and viciously walked out of the room)
3) If Hitler linked his arms to fellow commanders, walked up to the national troopers, and was struck by a bullet.
4) If the judge at Hitler's first trial for treason allowed him to make speeches to his fellow people.
5) If his treatment at the prison (in which he stayed at for the nine months of the original 'treason') really was luxurious and favorable.

Thanks.
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12/4/2009 9:29:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:24:56 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:21:16 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:20:08 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:18:53 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How could you answer that question until you knew what convinced you?

I sure hope your not going to just keep coming up with ways to get around the question.

It's a legitimate question; if you don't know the particular factors leading to your decision, it would be difficult to predict where you would go from there.

So you people have seriously never thought of a back-up?

It's like asking, "If you didn't have the religious beliefs you hold now, what what you be instead." Religious people know no other religions, and believe them to be sinful in the eyes of God. Atheists don't know a world in which the concept of God does not inherently contradict itself.

Although more subtle here, people believe in their politics beliefs because they think they are right--not because it sounds the coolest or some other aesthetic reason.
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12/4/2009 9:32:43 PM
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My backup is listening to new arguments that try to convince me some other ideology is superior. So far it has proven strictly inferior to plan A. It's eminently that whatever argument convinced me that that ideology was superior would lead to adoption of that ideology, not some "backup" I form now. Any such backup would be either stupid (because it is based on considerations from the current ideology) or a sign of being dishonest with myself (i.e. for me to make such considerations based on some other ideology, and select which, I would have to already adhere to said ideology and thus I would be lying to myself about my current ideology).
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12/4/2009 9:37:38 PM
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In my short time here I have increasingly found all of you to be very close-minded.

Oh goody, here comes a stupid reply.
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12/4/2009 9:48:14 PM
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If somehow I were to submit to the objective theory of value, I would have to concede to the Marxist School of Economics. I'd become collectivist.

Besides that, I can't imagine another particular thing that would totally change the way I think.
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12/5/2009 7:37:45 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:48:14 PM, wjmelements wrote:
If somehow I were to submit to the objective theory of value, I would have to concede to the Marxist School of Economics. I'd become collectivist.

Besides that, I can't imagine another particular thing that would totally change the way I think.

An objective theory of value is logically incoherent so I don't think you have much to worry about.
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12/5/2009 3:14:14 PM
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I suppose if I really had to choose, it would be libertarianism. But, you'd really have to debunk my ideology for me to go anywhere near that cra- ideology.
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12/5/2009 3:18:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/5/2009 3:14:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
I suppose if I really had to choose, it would be libertarianism. But, you'd really have to debunk my ideology for me to go anywhere near that cra- ideology.

Perhaps you should debate Ragnar_Rahl over Libertarianism vs. Liberalism. I'd love to see that.
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12/5/2009 3:20:04 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 9:37:38 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
In my short time here I have increasingly found all of you to be very close-minded.

Oh goody, here comes a stupid reply.

How so? It seems as if most people agree with you (atheist libertarianism) and only get on your case for asking silly questions or making pointless threads. Also, what have you opened your mind to so far while here?
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12/5/2009 3:20:56 PM
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At 12/5/2009 3:14:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
I suppose if I really had to choose, it would be libertarianism. But, you'd really have to debunk my ideology for me to go anywhere near that cra- ideology.

It's not crazy. It makes perfect sense. I just don't agree with it. Sort of like an unsound but perfectly valid argument ;p
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12/5/2009 5:38:38 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I guess military based.

A little democracy, a little dictatorship, a little communist, a little republic.
I guess a little of everything.

But I don't think I am wrong so i will stick to what I got.
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12/5/2009 10:00:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/5/2009 3:20:04 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/4/2009 9:37:38 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
In my short time here I have increasingly found all of you to be very close-minded.

Oh goody, here comes a stupid reply.

How so? It seems as if most people agree with you (atheist libertarianism) and only get on your case for asking silly questions or making pointless threads. Also, what have you opened your mind to so far while here?

Your comment would have been good if you hadn't called my threads pointless. I post all my threads (except for one that was a joke) in hopes of resolving something and trying to find some intellectual answers towards making a better world. I don't know about you people but I'm not going to be stuck to blogs the rest of my life, I'm planning on becoming a very influential figure in the world. I am indeed a Libertarian Extremist but I take just about all serious ideas seriously. I do not debate with the initiative of proving my point, nor do I search for answers with the initiative of proving myself right, but with the initiative of finding the truth, no matter what that truth is, whether I like it or not. The pursuit of reason is my absolute most highest value.
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12/5/2009 10:01:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/5/2009 3:20:56 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/5/2009 3:14:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
I suppose if I really had to choose, it would be libertarianism. But, you'd really have to debunk my ideology for me to go anywhere near that cra- ideology.

It's not crazy. It makes perfect sense. I just don't agree with it. Sort of like an unsound but perfectly valid argument ;p

That's very interesting, I'd like you to expand on that.
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12/5/2009 10:19:01 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 8:54:17 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
If you decided your ideological beliefs were very wrong, what would you become instead?

I would probably think up some other weird system that nobody has before, except with socialism. I don't think I would go to Anarchy.

I would go to objectivism.