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History of Drone Strikes

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6/30/2013 6:56:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Excerpts of Josh Begley's graduate thesis presentation. Filmed at New York University. Full version here: http://vimeo.com...

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6/30/2013 7:08:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/30/2013 6:58:50 PM, Wnope wrote:
Text summary?

He created a page and twitter account to keep track of the history of drone strikes.
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6/30/2013 7:14:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's really become quite irrelevant what information the President is exposed to that convinces him that these attacks are prudent; he needs to forward a legitimate explanation and be pressured until he does so. However, I have no knowledge about the actual details of the conflicts that these Middle Eastern states have among each other and with the United States, but I do know that they're complex and allow no room for assumptions. I'd imagine that these countries along with the U.N. would be outraged by something this aggressive and invasive. So I'd prefer for videos like this to at least include information about these geopolitics rather than leaving us with almost insultingly simple "'murica's killin people. Get angry!"
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6/30/2013 9:00:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In the end, drones, like fighter jets, are an extension of the original problems with the introduction of artillery (distance from target, indiscrimination of target, civilian casualities) etc.

The problem is when we treat artillery as more than artillery. In this case, it means killing people who pose no imminent threat without even identifying the main target (signature strikes).

We shouldn't scrap drones anymore than we should scrap artillery.

But the moment we pretend killing someone with a drone is different from killing them in person, everything's f#cked.
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7/1/2013 4:22:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The problem with drones is a more than the fact that innocent people have died through their use. The problem with drones is the de-humanizing element they add to combat. Killing someone with a drone and killing someone with an airplane are different. Just like playing Call of Duty and going to war are different. Or watching porn or watching real sex.
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7/1/2013 4:33:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/1/2013 4:22:02 PM, CanWeKnow wrote:
The problem with drones is a more than the fact that innocent people have died through their use. The problem with drones is the de-humanizing element they add to combat. Killing someone with a drone and killing someone with an airplane are different. Just like playing Call of Duty and going to war are different. Or watching porn or watching real sex.

Right, I say we do things respectably and kill each other the old-fashioned way. Let's fight real wars and watch people have real sex, like our forefathers once did in founding this great and perennial nation!
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7/1/2013 4:38:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I didn't say that we should do that haha. I am all for Drone use. ^_^ I am just saying that killing via Drone and killing in person are different things, and that perhaps the use of Drones makes it a little too easy to kill. In the right hands it is a powerful tool, but in the wrong hands it becomes a danger.
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7/1/2013 4:43:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/1/2013 4:38:55 PM, CanWeKnow wrote:
I didn't say that we should do that haha. I am all for Drone use. ^_^ I am just saying that killing via Drone and killing in person are different things, and that perhaps the use of Drones makes it a little too easy to kill. In the right hands it is a powerful tool, but in the wrong hands it becomes a danger.

Perhaps power is the ability to put others in danger.
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7/1/2013 5:08:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/1/2013 5:01:27 PM, CanWeKnow wrote:
What does that have to do with anything? haha.

I was questioning your dichotomous association of wrong=danger vs. right=power. If power is the ability to endanger others, then one need only be one such 'other' for the right hands to be the wrong hands in this respect.
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7/1/2013 5:28:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Sorry I didn't articulate enough. You know what I meant though. I shouldn't have to spell it all out every time.

If it's being used right then humanity flourishes more than it did w/o the use of drones.

If it's used wrong than the excess harm causes humanity to flourish less than it did with the use of drones.

IF what we are doing in the Middle East contributes to the overall welfare and happiness of man kind.
AND IF Drone use is a positively contributing part,
then Drones are a "powerful tool" or are being used correctly.

IF the use of drones is a negatively contributing part of any effort then it is a "danger" and is not being used correctly.