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Recognize SSM to protect traditional marriag?

imabench
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7/12/2013 2:12:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
While in Europe I saw an interesting thing in the newspaper, where a gay couple who married in New Hampshire wanted to get a divorce but couldnt because they moved to Florida years ago. Florida doesnt recognize SSM so they cant get divorced in Florida, and getting a divorce back in New Hampshire also isnt an option since you have to live there for a year to get divorced.

Technically though, if Florida did recognize SSM but only allowed for gay couples to get divorced and not to get married, then they would be 'preserving' traditional marriage by recognizing same sex marriages....

So conservatives, where do you stand on only recognizing same sex marriage and allowing gays to divorce but not to marry? This would protect traditional marriage while at the same time giving a concession to gay marriages by recognizing that they do exist, so is it worth it in your mind or no?
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7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.
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7/12/2013 2:52:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.

This. I am gay and agree whole-heartedly with this.
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7/12/2013 3:23:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If the state they live in doesn't recognize their marriage, then aren't they effectively divorced already? They are under no obligation to honor their marriage contract from New Hampshire. Recognizing gay divorce would require them to recognize their marriage contract legally, especially when it comes to determining who is entitled to what, pre-nups, etc.
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7/12/2013 3:28:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.

In what way doesn't the government belong in marriage? All it's doing is providing tax benefits and using it as a form of social organization that makes governing and bureaucratizing easier. It's a benefit from both ends? If you make this kind of recognition non-discriminatory then what exactly is the harm?
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7/12/2013 4:01:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/12/2013 2:52:33 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.

This. I am gay and agree whole-heartedly with this.

Does your being gay lend some sort of extra credibility to your opinion?
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7/12/2013 4:14:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/12/2013 4:01:25 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/12/2013 2:52:33 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.

This. I am gay and agree whole-heartedly with this.

Does your being gay lend some sort of extra credibility to your opinion?

It means it is a homopinion. That's worth like 10 opinion. Almost a flock son!
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7/12/2013 4:37:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/12/2013 4:14:39 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 7/12/2013 4:01:25 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/12/2013 2:52:33 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.

This. I am gay and agree whole-heartedly with this.

Does your being gay lend some sort of extra credibility to your opinion?

It means it is a homopinion. That's worth like 10 opinion. Almost a flock son!

Yeah, well I'm pretty sure my bipinion is worth AT LEAST 20 for covering all possible sides of the equation. I can technically be considered biracial too, so that has to add a good extra 5 or 10 opinion on that.

So by my count I got the jump on Dave by a good 10 to 20 opinion.
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7/12/2013 6:10:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.

Just out of curiosity, how would you get government out of marriage? Would it basically involve marriage-certification companies stepping in to fill the gap?
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7/12/2013 6:34:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/12/2013 6:10:02 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 7/12/2013 2:20:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Just get the government out of marriage. It doesn't belong there.

Just out of curiosity, how would you get government out of marriage? Would it basically involve marriage-certification companies stepping in to fill the gap?

I'm pretty sure he means that there would be no such thing as the legal union of marriage at all. Certificates would either not exist or be issued by the institution performing the ceremony.

Unless that's a joke or something, my serious response is that there is no gap to be filled.
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