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DoubtingDave
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7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities. By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

I would like to say one more thing about the George Zimmerman verdict: May we never defile the memory of Trayvon Martin by using violence as a way to vent our feelings toward the verdict.
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7/16/2013 3:43:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Says the man with a Confederate avatar.
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7/16/2013 3:44:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 3:43:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Says the man with a Confederate avatar.

What does that have to do with the topic??
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7/16/2013 6:56:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
On what grounds are you asserting that there is no such thing as race? Clearly there are differences. Cultural and physiological ones. Are you saying that ignoring these differences would benefit these societies, or benefit ours? Or perhaps both. You might be right, but you'd have to show me evidence.

I do think that such differences are made far too much of in the public sphere and this contributes to a sort of 'us and them' mentality. I don't think the solution would be to simply ignore them though...
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7/16/2013 7:38:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Do different populations with different group evolutionary histories and distinct and innate behavioral, physical, and mental characteristics exist?

Of course.

Do we call these populations "races"?

That's your choice.
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7/16/2013 7:47:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
There may be no scientific basis for racial categorization, but race certainly exists as a social construct which can have profound effect on people"s lives because of the legal, political, economic, and social implications that result from the categorizing designations of that social construct.

I don"t see much to be gained by pretending it doesn"t exist.
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7/16/2013 9:33:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 3:44:52 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:43:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Says the man with a Confederate avatar.

What does that have to do with the topic??

The CSA was a country founded essentially on the right of states to practice whatever they want free from a strong federal government; and, at the time, the flagship issue was the allowance of African slavery. Y'know, a practice founded and justified on the assumption that those from Africa were not only a different race than those of European descent, but were akin to another species, essentially subhuman, and that white Americans had the right to enslave them and treat them as property?

Yeah, I can see that being interpreted as a bit ironic.
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7/16/2013 9:37:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:33:14 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:44:52 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:43:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Says the man with a Confederate avatar.

What does that have to do with the topic??

The CSA was a country founded essentially on the right of states to practice whatever they want free from a strong federal government; and, at the time, the flagship issue was the allowance of African slavery. Y'know, a practice founded and justified on the assumption that those from Africa were not only a different race than those of European descent, but were akin to another species, essentially subhuman, and that white Americans had the right to enslave them and treat them as property?

Yeah, I can see that being interpreted as a bit ironic.

says the person with an avatar of a billboard of a pair of glasses.
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7/16/2013 9:38:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities.* By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

Except for Gays and Mexicans....

I would like to say one more thing about the George Zimmerman verdict: May we never defile the memory of Trayvon Martin by using violence as a way to vent our feelings toward the verdict.
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7/16/2013 9:39:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:37:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:33:14 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:44:52 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:43:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Says the man with a Confederate avatar.

What does that have to do with the topic??

The CSA was a country founded essentially on the right of states to practice whatever they want free from a strong federal government; and, at the time, the flagship issue was the allowance of African slavery. Y'know, a practice founded and justified on the assumption that those from Africa were not only a different race than those of European descent, but were akin to another species, essentially subhuman, and that white Americans had the right to enslave them and treat them as property?

Yeah, I can see that being interpreted as a bit ironic.

says the person with an avatar of a billboard of a pair of glasses.

Lmfao, Ore.

Anyway, my avatar is of the Eyes of Dr. TJ Eckleburg. The Eyes see everything, lol.
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7/16/2013 9:40:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:38:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities.* By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

Except for Gays and Mexicans....


How are gays or mexicans given less rights?
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7/16/2013 9:44:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:38:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities.* By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

Except for Gays and Mexicans....

You got him on gays, but I'm pretty sure it's the Mexican Constitution's job to grant Mexicans rights. Not the US'.
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7/16/2013 9:46:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:44:59 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:38:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities.* By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

Except for Gays and Mexicans....

You got him on gays, but I'm pretty sure it's the Mexican Constitution's job to grant Mexicans rights. Not the US'.

Are right's not "natural"? Are you suggesting that rights are nothing more than things created and "granted" by governments?
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7/16/2013 9:49:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:46:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:44:59 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:38:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities.* By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

Except for Gays and Mexicans....

You got him on gays, but I'm pretty sure it's the Mexican Constitution's job to grant Mexicans rights. Not the US'.

Are right's not "natural"? Are you suggesting that rights are nothing more than things created and "granted" by governments?

I mean guaranteed, Ore. God, a guy can't make one word slipup these days. ;)
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7/16/2013 9:51:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:44:59 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:38:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities.* By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

Except for Gays and Mexicans....

You got him on gays, but I'm pretty sure it's the Mexican Constitution's job to grant Mexicans rights. Not the US'.

Fair enough
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7/16/2013 9:56:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/16/2013 9:49:06 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:46:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:44:59 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/16/2013 9:38:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 7/16/2013 3:35:45 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
In recent light of the George Zimmerman trial and the far-left loons like Al Sharpton going nuts over the "not guilty verdict" and shouting "racism" at every opportunity, I would like to make a bold claim: There is no such thing as race.

http://www.pbs.org....
http://www.pbs.org...

We ought to stop using the terms "black-americans" "african-americans" or "fill-in-the-blank-Americans", because at the end of the day, we are all American's and are guaranteed by the US Constitution equal rights and equal opportunities.* By using those terms, we are self-segregating ourselves. That is a shame.

Except for Gays and Mexicans....

You got him on gays, but I'm pretty sure it's the Mexican Constitution's job to grant Mexicans rights. Not the US'.

Are right's not "natural"? Are you suggesting that rights are nothing more than things created and "granted" by governments?

I mean guaranteed, Ore. God, a guy can't make one word slipup these days. ;)

Heil Grammatik (and word choice)!
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7/18/2013 11:04:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
There are genetic races. Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids, and Dravidians. Theres also sub-classes to these, like Aryan people. Granted, its not the same as saying someone is Hispanic, but scientifically there are genetic trends which do link large groups of people together, so in that sense "black" is certainly a race. As for ethnicities, denying them is just as against American principles as discriminating by them. America is supposed to be a place that blends immigrant cultures. It denies free expression to try to make people forget their heritage. Even though most people assimilate well to America, many of them were born and raised in far off lands with different cultures, and the memory and traditions of those lost times are all they have to remember the life and family they left behind.
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7/20/2013 7:02:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Ummmm... genetically, there are differences between races. Some races naturally have better odds of physical and mental abilities and disabilities. There is certainly a difference, saying there isn't is like taking a black guy, standing him next to me, and saying there is no difference. Yet I'm whiter than an Irish sunscreen tester.
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7/22/2013 3:19:31 AM
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The genetic characteristics that define "race" are mostly superficial and account for very little of the variation in the human population. People who make a deal out of race, ethnicity, whatever you call it, are being silly. This goes both ways, the KKK are as dumb as the bleeding-hearts.