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7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

http://news.yahoo.com...
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7/17/2013 7:27:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

http://news.yahoo.com...

And if that doesn't happen, I hope you come back here and apologize for your race baiting.
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7/17/2013 8:06:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 7:27:33 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

http://news.yahoo.com...

And if that doesn't happen, I hope you come back here and apologize for your race baiting.

royal's never one to let the facts get in the way of her trolling.
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7/17/2013 10:41:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 7:27:33 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

http://news.yahoo.com...

And if that doesn't happen, I hope you come back here and apologize for your race baiting.

I don't understand anything in that link. He killed a guy. He happened to be black. WHAT?
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7/17/2013 10:49:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

http://news.yahoo.com...

What an awful article :(
This is akin to Zimmerman how? Because he thought a black teen did something. That's it. (unless you believe that Zimmerman started the actual fight)

And, of course, it's because the teen was black that is why he is suspected. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that it's a fvcking teen.
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7/17/2013 10:49:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Royal, now you're treading into MY territory. Believe me, they've been covering that story here in Milwaukee for damn near a YEAR now. It's very VERY obvious he shot the kid, and there's a video I just saw on the local news this morning of Spooner shooting him. Basically, the option of walking free is out the window. It's really just a question of mental illness at this point.

And frankly, i'd personally say it was. Having heard the story for so long, Spooner was pretty clearly acting irrational and downright insane, confronting a his NEIGHBOR, who he's lived next to for A WHILE, with the random accusation of burglary? Yeah, it seems as though he does have a mental defect.

Of course, I'm not a psychologist, nor have i been down to the courthouse to watch the trial, so I guess I guess I couldn't say I know if he was or wasn't. But just looking at what happened, the circumstances surrounding the two people, how it happened, etc, I'd say my best judgment is that Spooner is probably mentally defective/senile.

But i'm sure I'm just an old racist who thinks Spooner is insane because no white person can ever kill and be of sound mind. I'm sure me living in such proximity and having heard the details of the case over and over since it happened has no bearing. I'm just a bigot.

Get real.
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7/17/2013 10:53:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 10:49:23 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Royal, now you're treading into MY territory. Believe me, they've been covering that story here in Milwaukee for damn near a YEAR now. It's very VERY obvious he shot the kid, and there's a video I just saw on the local news this morning of Spooner shooting him. Basically, the option of walking free is out the window. It's really just a question of mental illness at this point.

And frankly, i'd personally say it was. Having heard the story for so long, Spooner was pretty clearly acting irrational and downright insane, confronting a his NEIGHBOR, who he's lived next to for A WHILE, with the random accusation of burglary? Yeah, it seems as though he does have a mental defect.

Of course, I'm not a psychologist, nor have i been down to the courthouse to watch the trial, so I guess I guess I couldn't say I know if he was or wasn't. But just looking at what happened, the circumstances surrounding the two people, how it happened, etc, I'd say my best judgment is that Spooner is probably mentally defective/senile.

But i'm sure I'm just an old racist who thinks Spooner is insane because no white person can ever kill and be of sound mind. I'm sure me living in such proximity and having heard the details of the case over and over since it happened has no bearing. I'm just a bigot.

Get real.
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7/17/2013 10:55:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 10:49:23 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:

But i'm sure I'm just an old racist who thinks Spooner is insane because no white person can ever kill and be of sound mind. I'm sure me living in such proximity and having heard the details of the case over and over since it happened has no bearing. I'm just a bigot.

No, you're probably just drunk, though. ;)
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7/17/2013 10:57:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 10:55:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 10:49:23 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:

But i'm sure I'm just an old racist who thinks Spooner is insane because no white person can ever kill and be of sound mind. I'm sure me living in such proximity and having heard the details of the case over and over since it happened has no bearing. I'm just a bigot.


No, you're probably just drunk, though. ;)

Wait, this isn't grape juice i'm drinking?
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7/17/2013 10:58:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 10:49:23 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Royal, now you're treading into MY territory. Believe me, they've been covering that story here in Milwaukee for damn near a YEAR now. It's very VERY obvious he shot the kid, and there's a video I just saw on the local news this morning of Spooner shooting him. Basically, the option of walking free is out the window. It's really just a question of mental illness at this point.

And frankly, i'd personally say it was. Having heard the story for so long, Spooner was pretty clearly acting irrational and downright insane, confronting a his NEIGHBOR, who he's lived next to for A WHILE, with the random accusation of burglary? Yeah, it seems as though he does have a mental defect.

Of course, I'm not a psychologist, nor have i been down to the courthouse to watch the trial, so I guess I guess I couldn't say I know if he was or wasn't. But just looking at what happened, the circumstances surrounding the two people, how it happened, etc, I'd say my best judgment is that Spooner is probably mentally defective/senile.

But i'm sure I'm just an old racist who thinks Spooner is insane because no white person can ever kill and be of sound mind. I'm sure me living in such proximity and having heard the details of the case over and over since it happened has no bearing. I'm just a bigot.

Get real.

But Whites kill people every day. I mean just look at how many young Men and Women are being killed or have been killed in this war overseas. Just saying now. Don't be so narrow minded.
That guy has a license to kill. You could be next. =)
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7/17/2013 11:01:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 10:58:54 AM, inferno wrote:
At 7/17/2013 10:49:23 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Royal, now you're treading into MY territory. Believe me, they've been covering that story here in Milwaukee for damn near a YEAR now. It's very VERY obvious he shot the kid, and there's a video I just saw on the local news this morning of Spooner shooting him. Basically, the option of walking free is out the window. It's really just a question of mental illness at this point.

And frankly, i'd personally say it was. Having heard the story for so long, Spooner was pretty clearly acting irrational and downright insane, confronting a his NEIGHBOR, who he's lived next to for A WHILE, with the random accusation of burglary? Yeah, it seems as though he does have a mental defect.

Of course, I'm not a psychologist, nor have i been down to the courthouse to watch the trial, so I guess I guess I couldn't say I know if he was or wasn't. But just looking at what happened, the circumstances surrounding the two people, how it happened, etc, I'd say my best judgment is that Spooner is probably mentally defective/senile.

But i'm sure I'm just an old racist who thinks Spooner is insane because no white person can ever kill and be of sound mind. I'm sure me living in such proximity and having heard the details of the case over and over since it happened has no bearing. I'm just a bigot.

Get real.

But Whites kill people every day. I mean just look at how many young Men and Women are being killed or have been killed in this war overseas. Just saying now. Don't be so narrow minded.
That guy has a license to kill. You could be next. =)

No he fvcking doesn't. If he's found Not Guilty by Reason of Mental Defect, he's going to spend the rest of his life (which isn't that long, by the by) in a mental hospital. Either way, he's not going to be out on the street again now that he's pleaded not guilty and using insanity as his defense.
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7/17/2013 11:02:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Either way, the chances of him being found not guilty by insanity are basically slim to none.

Only like 1% of insanity defenses are successful, and even then the vast majority of those successes are Guilty, but Insane verdicts, not Not Guilty.
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7/17/2013 12:57:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 8:06:38 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 7/17/2013 7:27:33 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

http://news.yahoo.com...

And if that doesn't happen, I hope you come back here and apologize for your race baiting.

royal's never one to let the facts get in the way of her trolling.

This, especially the underlined.
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7/17/2013 1:41:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
As I understand, this state has no "Stand Your Ground" laws, which are at the heart of the Trayvon Martin killing.

Without these laws, and perhaps even with them, this man is likely to be punished for the killing.

However, 70% of defendants who invoke Stand Your Ground defense are successful. http://www.tampabay.com...
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7/17/2013 1:44:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 1:41:11 PM, DeFool wrote:
As I understand, this state has no "Stand Your Ground" laws, which are at the heart of the Trayvon Martin killing.

Without these laws, and perhaps even with them, this man is likely to be punished for the killing.

However, 70% of defendants who invoke Stand Your Ground defense are successful. http://www.tampabay.com...

We don't have stand your ground laws, no.

However, his defense is that he has a mental defect. Which I believe, but regardless, he'll probably never be out on the street again, even if he is legally acquitted.
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7/17/2013 1:50:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 7:27:33 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

http://news.yahoo.com...

And if that doesn't happen, I hope you come back here and apologize for your race baiting.

Ah, "race baiting", the charge used to discourage violation of the taboo against explicitly and honestly discussing our society's endemic racism. It's not too brilliant, but it is quite effective.
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7/17/2013 2:16:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 1:50:08 PM, charleslb wrote:
Ah, "race baiting", the charge used to discourage violation of the taboo against explicitly and honestly discussing our society's endemic racism. It's not too brilliant, but it is quite effective.

Yes. I am that devious. *twists mustache*
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7/17/2013 3:49:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Well, Spooner was just convicted of Murder 1 after an hour.

Now comes the issue of Spooner's insanity.

http://m.jsonline.com...
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7/17/2013 3:57:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 3:49:11 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Well, Spooner was just convicted of Murder 1 after an hour.

Now comes the issue of Spooner's insanity.

http://m.jsonline.com...

Is the insanity defense only after a normal conviction?
I thought it was argued during trial, saying, "yeah, I did it, but I'm not culpable".
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7/17/2013 4:00:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 3:57:39 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 3:49:11 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Well, Spooner was just convicted of Murder 1 after an hour.

Now comes the issue of Spooner's insanity.

http://m.jsonline.com...

Is the insanity defense only after a normal conviction?
I thought it was argued during trial, saying, "yeah, I did it, but I'm not culpable".

This is apparently how it works in Wisconsin... because they're all drunk.. on "grape juice".

You know, you and me and Lannan13 are the only people I know on this site from the Midwest. What's the deal with that?
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7/17/2013 4:01:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 3:57:39 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 3:49:11 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Well, Spooner was just convicted of Murder 1 after an hour.

Now comes the issue of Spooner's insanity.

http://m.jsonline.com...

Is the insanity defense only after a normal conviction?
I thought it was argued during trial, saying, "yeah, I did it, but I'm not culpable".

I thought that too, but apparently not. Guess it's afterward, because that's what I'm seeing from a quick Google search.
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7/17/2013 4:05:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 4:00:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 3:57:39 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 3:49:11 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Well, Spooner was just convicted of Murder 1 after an hour.

Now comes the issue of Spooner's insanity.

http://m.jsonline.com...

Is the insanity defense only after a normal conviction?
I thought it was argued during trial, saying, "yeah, I did it, but I'm not culpable".

This is apparently how it works in Wisconsin... because they're all drunk.. on "grape juice".

You know, you and me and Lannan13 are the only people I know on this site from the Midwest. What's the deal with that?

Airmax is from Milwaukee like me, though.

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7/17/2013 4:12:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 4:05:21 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/17/2013 4:00:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 3:57:39 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 3:49:11 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Well, Spooner was just convicted of Murder 1 after an hour.

Now comes the issue of Spooner's insanity.

http://m.jsonline.com...

Is the insanity defense only after a normal conviction?
I thought it was argued during trial, saying, "yeah, I did it, but I'm not culpable".

This is apparently how it works in Wisconsin... because they're all drunk.. on "grape juice".

You know, you and me and Lannan13 are the only people I know on this site from the Midwest. What's the deal with that?

Airmax is from Milwaukee like me, though.

Reppin' dat Mil-town!

Hmmm, so 1/2 of the DDO populace from the Midwest are from one city. It must be the intelectual center of the Midwest...

Perhaps my MN brethren had lied to me about you guys all along... *walks away confused and scared
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7/18/2013 9:37:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 3:57:39 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 3:49:11 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Well, Spooner was just convicted of Murder 1 after an hour.

Now comes the issue of Spooner's insanity.

http://m.jsonline.com...

Is the insanity defense only after a normal conviction?
I thought it was argued during trial, saying, "yeah, I did it, but I'm not culpable".

The guy went insane because she was calling the police? I hope he fries. It would be hard pressed to say he didn't know what he was doing.
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7/18/2013 11:16:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 10:49:12 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

What an awful article :(
This is akin to Zimmerman how? Because he thought a black teen did something. That's it. (unless you believe that Zimmerman started the actual fight)

And, of course, it's because the teen was black that is why he is suspected. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that it's a fvcking teen.

Sixth graders are 11, no? He's a child.
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7/18/2013 11:46:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/18/2013 11:16:32 AM, tulle wrote:
At 7/17/2013 10:49:12 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

What an awful article :(
This is akin to Zimmerman how? Because he thought a black teen did something. That's it. (unless you believe that Zimmerman started the actual fight)

And, of course, it's because the teen was black that is why he is suspected. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that it's a fvcking teen.

Sixth graders are 11, no? He's a child.

The article says he was 13. 13 is considered a teen.
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7/18/2013 11:51:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is nothing like the Zimmerman case. The media is just trying to stir up more racial tension. Other than the color of the skin, this bears NO resemblance at all.

I do not see any similarities. This was murder, not much question about it. There was no grounds for self defense, he did not even have any evidence that the boy stole anything. This is not the same kind of case, noit even close to it.

People kill each other every day and no one bothers batting an eye, but one guy who is half White half Hispanic that is defending himself and the whole world explodes.........

The jury found him not guilty because Zimmerman is NOT GUILTY. Do I have to be white to be racist?

The real racists are those rioting in the streets and smashing cars wearing "Kill Zimmerman" T-Shirts.
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10/7/2013 6:37:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Found this accidentally in my favorites. I did want to point out that this did end the way it should have as a close out to the animosity being shown.

http://www.jsonline.com...
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10/7/2013 6:43:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 10:57:47 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/17/2013 10:55:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/17/2013 10:49:23 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:

But i'm sure I'm just an old racist who thinks Spooner is insane because no white person can ever kill and be of sound mind. I'm sure me living in such proximity and having heard the details of the case over and over since it happened has no bearing. I'm just a bigot.


No, you're probably just drunk, though. ;)

Wait, this isn't grape juice i'm drinking?
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10/7/2013 6:43:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/17/2013 7:22:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Prediction: This man will either go free for shooting a sixth grade African American student or will be put into a mental hospital and use the mother's tax money to fund the rest of his existence. Predicted reasoning: "Of course he was "insane"; he wasn't African American. He isn't responsible for this!"

You do realize Trayvon Martin was a pot-smoking, gang-banging punk, right? Race has nothing to do with it. Besides, Zimmerman was a Mexican, not a white guy. If this was about race, it would be because he was white. That's what the media makes it about, anyways. All those people holding up signs saying Zimmerman killed Martin out of racism is an idiotic @sshole.
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