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7/21/2013 11:02:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
A man who stripped nearly naked to make a point about his constitutional rights scored a victory today after forcing airport personnel to study up on the First and Fourth Amendments, reports The Wall Street Journal.

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7/21/2013 11:02:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
MOAR

Aaron Tobey, known as the "4th Amendment Flasher," was arrested in 2010 by the Transportation Security Administration and Richmond International Airport security after stripping down to his underwear - much beyond the point mandated by protocol - with a portion of the Fourth Amendment written on his chest in black marker: "The right of the people to be secure...against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

Though charges were ultimately dropped, Tobey sued the TSA and the airport, and following a year and a half of legal proceedings the respective organizations involved have now settled. The details of the settlement read like an civili libertarian fantasy realized, and involve Richmond's airport security personnel being forced to brush up on American Government 101:

"Richmond International Airport officials announced this week that their security officers underwent a special two-hour training course on the First and Fourth Amendment rights of passengers as a part of a settlement with Mr. Tobey," writes WSJ's Jacob Gershman.

The TSA, as part of a separate settlement that likewise involved no monetary payout as originally sought by Tobey, appears somewhat less humbling. The TSA has "agreed not to appeal the ruling or further prosecute Mr. Tobey for interfering with TSA procedures," Gershman informs.
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7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.
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7/21/2013 11:06:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.

Obviously I mean the department of government, lol. Not the concept itself.

I want my homeland to be secure.
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7/22/2013 1:27:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 11:06:08 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.

Obviously I mean the department of government, lol. Not the concept itself.

I want my homeland to be secure.

Department of Homeland has existed for over a decade now. Don't you know that means its impossible for a time to have existed before it and it would be crazy to try to get rid of it.
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7/22/2013 1:57:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/22/2013 1:27:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Department of Homeland has existed for over a decade now. Don't you know that means its impossible for a time to have existed before it and it would be crazy to try to get rid of it.

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7/22/2013 1:58:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 11:06:08 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.

Obviously I mean the department of government, lol. Not the concept itself.

I want my homeland to be secure.

Why would you entrust a government to do this, lol?
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7/22/2013 2:23:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/22/2013 1:58:11 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:06:08 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.

Obviously I mean the department of government, lol. Not the concept itself.

I want my homeland to be secure.

Why would you entrust a government to do this, lol?

Because they usually manage to do a pretty good job.
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7/22/2013 2:31:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/22/2013 1:58:11 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:06:08 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.

Obviously I mean the department of government, lol. Not the concept itself.

I want my homeland to be secure.

Why would you entrust a government to do this, lol?

I do because I see national defense as a legitimate purpose of government.

So essentially, let me just acknowledge right here that all this essentially will turn into is an anarchism v. statism (in the sense of the existence of the state) issue.

And believe me, WSA, I've seen you cheerlead for anarchism and the Austrians enough to know you won't be telling me anything particularly new if we continue.
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7/22/2013 2:40:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 11:02:46 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
MOAR

Aaron Tobey, known as the "4th Amendment Flasher," was arrested in 2010 by the Transportation Security Administration and Richmond International Airport security after stripping down to his underwear - much beyond the point mandated by protocol - with a portion of the Fourth Amendment written on his chest in black marker: "The right of the people to be secure...against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

Though charges were ultimately dropped, Tobey sued the TSA and the airport, and following a year and a half of legal proceedings the respective organizations involved have now settled. The details of the settlement read like an civili libertarian fantasy realized, and involve Richmond's airport security personnel being forced to brush up on American Government 101:

"Richmond International Airport officials announced this week that their security officers underwent a special two-hour training course on the First and Fourth Amendment rights of passengers as a part of a settlement with Mr. Tobey," writes WSJ's Jacob Gershman.

The TSA, as part of a separate settlement that likewise involved no monetary payout as originally sought by Tobey, appears somewhat less humbling. The TSA has "agreed not to appeal the ruling or further prosecute Mr. Tobey for interfering with TSA procedures," Gershman informs.

So they sit through a 2 hour course and things go back to how they were.
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7/22/2013 7:26:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 11:02:22 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
A man who stripped nearly naked to make a point about his constitutional rights scored a victory today after forcing airport personnel to study up on the First and Fourth Amendments, reports The Wall Street Journal.

http://politix.topix.com...

I am pleased to see WSA becoming more liberal. Long live the 4th Amendment.
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7/22/2013 9:59:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/22/2013 1:27:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:06:08 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.

Obviously I mean the department of government, lol. Not the concept itself.

I want my homeland to be secure.

Department of Homeland has existed for over a decade now. Don't you know that means its impossible for a time to have existed before it and it would be crazy to try to get rid of it.

Yeah I agree with this...
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7/22/2013 10:13:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/22/2013 9:59:36 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/22/2013 1:27:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:06:08 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/21/2013 11:05:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I don't even see a reason for Homeland Security to even exist anymore. Honestly, the DOJ could easily take on HS's duties.

Obviously I mean the department of government, lol. Not the concept itself.

I want my homeland to be secure.

Department of Homeland has existed for over a decade now. Don't you know that means its impossible for a time to have existed before it and it would be crazy to try to get rid of it.

Yeah I agree with this...

DHS serves a role that would still be conducted - even if the agency was abolished. In this regard, the agency would simply have its name changed.

Moreover, it was ingratiated into the system irrevocably; when the DHS was created, it replaced many other offices that were conducting this or that function, and were absorbed into the larger DHS framework. This was intended to facilitate information sharing, cooperation, and reduce redundancy.

I think that the DHS has been a success in these areas.

However, it is still imperfect, and a catch-all scapegoat for every kind of complaint.

What is being condemned? Is it the role that the agency fills? The fact that it is not filling that role properly? Or is it the name, and its critics will be satisfied if it is 'abolished'?
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7/22/2013 10:55:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
How would national defense be as effective in an anarchist society? This is one of my biggest concern about anarchy.
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7/25/2013 1:12:25 PM
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At 7/22/2013 10:55:19 PM, Contra wrote:
How would national defense be as effective in an anarchist society? This is one of my biggest concern about anarchy.
With pure anarchy there would be no nation to defend. Another way to think about it would be each individual is a separate nation and responsible for his/her own defense.
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7/25/2013 3:04:47 PM
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At 7/25/2013 1:12:25 PM, Quan wrote:
At 7/22/2013 10:55:19 PM, Contra wrote:
How would national defense be as effective in an anarchist society? This is one of my biggest concern about anarchy.
With pure anarchy there would be no nation to defend. Another way to think about it would be each individual is a separate nation and responsible for his/her own defense.

The Chinese army would decimate every little Anarchist attempt at personal self-defense. They would be crying wishing that a national military existed.

If the United States Federal government was disbanded China and Russia would snatch that land so fast the Anarchists wouldn't live a single day in their tax-free utopia. "Isn't it so great, no taxes... oh wait there's a missile heading straight for us."
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7/25/2013 4:07:12 PM
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At 7/25/2013 3:04:47 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/25/2013 1:12:25 PM, Quan wrote:
At 7/22/2013 10:55:19 PM, Contra wrote:
How would national defense be as effective in an anarchist society? This is one of my biggest concern about anarchy.
With pure anarchy there would be no nation to defend. Another way to think about it would be each individual is a separate nation and responsible for his/her own defense.

The Chinese army would decimate every little Anarchist attempt at personal self-defense. They would be crying wishing that a national military existed.

If the United States Federal government was disbanded China and Russia would snatch that land so fast the Anarchists wouldn't live a single day in their tax-free utopia. "Isn't it so great, no taxes... oh wait there's a missile heading straight for us."

You do realize that anarchists don't advocate for singular nations to become anarchic societies, but for the world to be anarchic. An anarchist's goal is not to disband the USA or the UK or China or Russia, it's to disband every single state.
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7/25/2013 4:51:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/25/2013 4:07:12 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/25/2013 3:04:47 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/25/2013 1:12:25 PM, Quan wrote:
At 7/22/2013 10:55:19 PM, Contra wrote:
How would national defense be as effective in an anarchist society? This is one of my biggest concern about anarchy.
With pure anarchy there would be no nation to defend. Another way to think about it would be each individual is a separate nation and responsible for his/her own defense.

The Chinese army would decimate every little Anarchist attempt at personal self-defense. They would be crying wishing that a national military existed.

If the United States Federal government was disbanded China and Russia would snatch that land so fast the Anarchists wouldn't live a single day in their tax-free utopia. "Isn't it so great, no taxes... oh wait there's a missile heading straight for us."

You do realize that anarchists don't advocate for singular nations to become anarchic societies, but for the world to be anarchic. An anarchist's goal is not to disband the USA or the UK or China or Russia, it's to disband every single state.

Way to generalize dude.
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7/26/2013 4:33:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 11:02:22 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
A man who stripped nearly naked to make a point about his constitutional rights scored a victory today after forcing airport personnel to study up on the First and Fourth Amendments, reports The Wall Street Journal.

http://politix.topix.com...

Thanks Dude! I can now walk through airport security in my underwear with a message written on my chest and not get harassed by the TSA!

.....

I'm not so certain there is a big win here. The police on the street getting overly aggressive with searches seems to be a much larger problem than the TSA.