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The "Next Zimmerman" Sentenced to Life

DetectableNinja
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7/23/2013 2:04:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So basically that whole "next Zimmerman" thing brought up a while ago has finally reached its conclusion here in ol' Milwaukee as John Spooner was sentenced today.

The results? Unlike George Zimmerman, John Spooner will spend the rest of his life in prison for shooting and killing Darius Simmons, 13, also a teenage unarmed black male.

http://www.jsonline.com...

I wonder if people who were commenting on that case before have any comments now?

Anyway, thoughts?
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7/23/2013 2:50:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
They sound like incredibly different scenarios. Zimmerman was being physically beaten and receiving verbal life threats when he shot the kid in self defense. Spooner gunned the kid down from several feet away.
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7/23/2013 3:25:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In this particular case, I actually might have violently rioted if the man wasn't found guilty.

Zimmerman, I at least see how "Stand your Ground" laws and/or self defense is relevant, but this was just ridiculous.
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7/23/2013 4:13:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/23/2013 4:05:36 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Different state laws. Wisconsin is much more unforgiving in the gun department than southern states.

Well of course. My point really was that certain people claimed that he would either be acquitted traditionally or he'd be sent to a mental hospital for life because he's white. I'm trying to say that such ideas were clearly not well thought out.
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7/23/2013 11:23:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This case is one good example of when the justice system works, and when race is minimally relevant as it should be.
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7/24/2013 7:02:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why is he getting three free meals, a free bed, and free medical care, all paid for by the tax dollars of the mother of his victim?
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7/24/2013 7:49:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 7:02:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Why is he getting three free meals, a free bed, and free medical care, all paid for by the tax dollars of the mother of his victim?

Ah, yes. The royal infinite double down. Never admit you were utterly wrong, just make more twisted claims, right royal?
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7/24/2013 9:40:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 7:02:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Why is he getting three free meals, a free bed, and free medical care, all paid for by the tax dollars of the mother of his victim?

As opposed to his mother paying the guys lawyer during mandatory appeals hearing for death penalty cases?
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7/24/2013 10:29:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 7:02:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Why is he getting three free meals, a free bed, and free medical care, all paid for by the tax dollars of the mother of his victim?

Weren't you JUST cheerleading for a conviction like, just last week?
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7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.
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7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.
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7/24/2013 11:40:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.

If someone is senile, and thus not culpable for their actions, but given it is seniltiy (and not a lack of medication), wouldn't it be life either way? Do you know?
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7/24/2013 11:48:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 11:40:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.

If someone is senile, and thus not culpable for their actions, but given it is seniltiy (and not a lack of medication), wouldn't it be life either way? Do you know?

Yes, except insanity/senility or whatever lands you in a mental institution, whereas sanity/true guilt lands you in prison.
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7/25/2013 12:06:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 11:48:20 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:40:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.

If someone is senile, and thus not culpable for their actions, but given it is seniltiy (and not a lack of medication), wouldn't it be life either way? Do you know?

Yes, except insanity/senility or whatever lands you in a mental institution, whereas sanity/true guilt lands you in prison.

Obviously. But, I mean there was no way this guy was going see the light of day again. The only question was where.

I often wonder what would be worse, being institutionalized when I'm not insane, or in prison.
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7/25/2013 12:13:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/25/2013 12:06:49 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:48:20 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:40:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.

If someone is senile, and thus not culpable for their actions, but given it is seniltiy (and not a lack of medication), wouldn't it be life either way? Do you know?

Yes, except insanity/senility or whatever lands you in a mental institution, whereas sanity/true guilt lands you in prison.

Obviously. But, I mean there was no way this guy was going see the light of day again. The only question was where.

I often wonder what would be worse, being institutionalized when I'm not insane, or in prison.

I think if it's life either way, the mental institution might seem like a better place, as prison is a lot more dangerous by nature.
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7/25/2013 6:05:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 7:02:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Why is he getting three free meals, a free bed, and free medical care, all paid for by the tax dollars of the mother of his victim?

Well what the fvck would you rather do? Do you want us to drag him to the town square and stone him?
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7/25/2013 6:39:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/23/2013 4:05:36 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Different state laws. Wisconsin is much more unforgiving in the gun department than southern states.

umm,...yeah, I would hope that ANY state in this country would offer the same conviction (where the insanity defense failed). This has nothing to do with being unforgiving, it was point-blank murder.
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7/25/2013 9:23:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 7:02:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Why is he getting three free meals, a free bed, and free medical care, all paid for by the tax dollars of the mother of his victim?

So...they should have acquited him? Cause thats a worse punishment? I dont really understand what you're saying with this
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7/26/2013 2:06:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 11:40:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.

If someone is senile, and thus not culpable for their actions, but given it is seniltiy (and not a lack of medication), wouldn't it be life either way? Do you know?

Senility is not a defense against criminal culpability as a general rule, barring certain specific criteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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7/26/2013 2:13:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/26/2013 2:06:12 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:40:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.

If someone is senile, and thus not culpable for their actions, but given it is seniltiy (and not a lack of medication), wouldn't it be life either way? Do you know?

Senility is not a defense against criminal culpability as a general rule, barring certain specific criteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Which is probably why is mental defect defense failed. My point was, had it worked, it would be life anyway, since senility does not go away.
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7/26/2013 8:54:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/26/2013 2:13:21 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/26/2013 2:06:12 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:40:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:35:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 7/24/2013 11:34:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Did the senilty defense not pan out, yet, or is that a later trial date?

Either way, he was guilty, and should be locked up.

It didn't pan out, hence the life sentence.

If someone is senile, and thus not culpable for their actions, but given it is seniltiy (and not a lack of medication), wouldn't it be life either way? Do you know?

Senility is not a defense against criminal culpability as a general rule, barring certain specific criteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Which is probably why is mental defect defense failed. My point was, had it worked, it would be life anyway, since senility does not go away.

Ahh, I get what you're saying now.

While practically true, remember they can't try you again...so you could always be "miraculously cured" of your supposed senility. It wouldn't technically definitely be a life sentence.
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7/27/2013 12:01:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/24/2013 7:02:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Why is he getting three free meals, a free bed, and free medical care, all paid for by the tax dollars of the mother of his victim?

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