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12/13/2009 4:07:53 PM
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• Inflation is spreading like an infectious disease... contributing directly to the greatest deficit the United States has ever seen (with the national deficit rapidly approaching $2 TRILLION Dollars)...• Unemployment is skyrocketing... In fact, just over one year ago—in January 2008—an average of 1,000 U.S. workers lost their paychecks every workday. By December 2008—just 12 months later—28,727 paychecks vanished per workday—nearly 29 times more...• Even those paid to sell us "hope"—like the President and his staff—are alluding to dark days ahead. Barack Obama himself has warned that the unemployment rate will explode to at least 10% in 2009. If he's right, more than 15 million workers will be without a job—more than during the depths of The Great Depression!In a way, Merrill Jenkins told us this would happen. He warned of the progressing demise of our "paper dollars"—and how our labor would be exchanged for less and less value over time.He warned that there would come a day when massive amounts of jobs would be lost... all confidence in the dollar evaporated... and eventually our economy would collapse.Now, other leading experts are forecasting much the same. For instance, according to top economic trend researcher, Gerald Celente—a man who's been featured on The Today Show, Good Morning America, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNBC, The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post, USA Today, The Wall Street Journ
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"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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12/13/2009 4:10:20 PM
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Banker, I like discussing things with you, but noone is going to read something that looks like that.

Please try to separate your different strains of thought with some kind of spacing.
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12/13/2009 4:10:40 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:07:53 PM, banker wrote:
• Inflation is spreading like an infectious disease... contributing directly to the greatest deficit the United States has ever seen (with the national deficit rapidly approaching $2 TRILLION Dollars)...

Inflation is contributing to the US government's deficit? How?
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12/13/2009 4:17:44 PM
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The U.S. Is Staring Directly at theGreatest Economic Crisis in Its History! Celente recently told Fox News that by 2012, he believes America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.Impossible? An exaggeration? Well, this is coming from the same man who successfully predicted the 1987 Stock Market Crash, the Fall of the Soviet Union, the 1997 Asian Currency Crisis and much mor
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM
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The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...
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12/13/2009 4:27:38 PM
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Screw with the market and the market will screw with you.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.
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12/13/2009 4:38:28 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.

I think it's actually called conservatism rather than conservativism.
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12/13/2009 4:39:38 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

America was founded upon liberalism, just not modern social liberalism. So to claim liberal policies are the downfall of the US, is to claim the US was doomed to begin with, which is a popular opinion these days I suppose.

Besides, how did I get roped into this? I never even posted in this thread before now.
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12/13/2009 4:41:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 4:39:38 PM, Volkov wrote:
America was founded upon liberalism, just not modern social liberalism. So to claim liberal policies are the downfall of the US, is to claim the US was doomed to begin with, which is a popular opinion these days I suppose.

Classical liberalism (what the US was founded on) is not similar to the liberalism of today, at all.

Besides, how did I get roped into this? I never even posted in this thread before now.

Lol.
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12/13/2009 4:44:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 4:41:42 PM, Nags wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:39:38 PM, Volkov wrote:
America was founded upon liberalism, just not modern social liberalism. So to claim liberal policies are the downfall of the US, is to claim the US was doomed to begin with, which is a popular opinion these days I suppose.

Classical liberalism (what the US was founded on) is not similar to the liberalism of today, at all.

Besides, how did I get roped into this? I never even posted in this thread before now.

Lol.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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12/13/2009 4:45:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 4:41:42 PM, Nags wrote:
Classical liberalism (what the US was founded on) is not similar to the liberalism of today, at all.

I know, hence why I said "not modern social liberalism." Still liberalism, though. Despite some contentions to the opposite, they are still apart of the same brand.

Lol.

I bet you next time someone says something about liberalism being the downfall of the world on these forums, my name will pop up somehow.
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12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.

I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.
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12/13/2009 4:47:07 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.

Suppose thats why you're Republican.

Zing!
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12/13/2009 4:48:38 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:47:07 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.

Suppose thats why you're Republican.

Zing!

Probably. And yes, I do believe that America was doomed from the year of 1607.
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12/13/2009 4:49:35 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:48:38 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Probably. And yes, I do believe that America was doomed from the year of 1607.

Why 1607?
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12/13/2009 4:50:38 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:49:35 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:48:38 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Probably. And yes, I do believe that America was doomed from the year of 1607.

Why 1607?

Jamestown.
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12/13/2009 4:52:27 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.

I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.

Wiggidy wha?!
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12/13/2009 4:54:58 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:52:27 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.

I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.

Wiggidy wha?!

Yes, my authoritarian brother. 'Tis true.
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12/13/2009 5:04:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 4:57:42 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:55:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:50:38 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Jamestown.

Ah, I thought so.

Disagree?

Depends. If you're talking about America as a nation, then yes, because the US wasn't even a dream back in those days when those individuals settled the Virginian coast. It is truly hard to blame the failure of a nation on a settlement that was never intended to create it.

If you are talking about America as a larger geographical, historical and social concept, I can see where you are going, though I wonder what you would have rather had in its place.
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12/13/2009 5:06:12 PM
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At 12/13/2009 5:04:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:57:42 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:55:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:50:38 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Jamestown.

Ah, I thought so.

Disagree?

Depends. If you're talking about America as a nation, then yes, because the US wasn't even a dream back in those days when those individuals settled the Virginian coast. It is truly hard to blame the failure of a nation on a settlement that was never intended to create it.

If you are talking about America as a larger geographical, historical and social concept, I can see where you are going, though I wonder what you would have rather had in its place.

I am talking about the latter. In its place, I wish the world would have obliterated and that we wouldn't be here today ... ;)
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12/13/2009 5:06:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 4:57:42 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:55:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:50:38 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Jamestown.

Ah, I thought so.

Disagree?

I do. How can you possibly draw the conclusion that the US was doomed since 1607 at Jamestown - a settlement that hadn't the weakest dream of becoming a country, nevermind the United States.
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12/13/2009 5:07:33 PM
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At 12/13/2009 5:06:12 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I am talking about the latter. In its place, I wish the world would have obliterated and that we wouldn't be here today ... ;)

Obliterated how? Revelations or some other horrible mass death?
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12/13/2009 5:09:15 PM
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At 12/13/2009 5:07:33 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/13/2009 5:06:12 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I am talking about the latter. In its place, I wish the world would have obliterated and that we wouldn't be here today ... ;)

Obliterated how? Revelations or some other horrible mass death?

Doesn't matter to me. I wasn't alive at the time.
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12/13/2009 5:09:19 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:54:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:52:27 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.

I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.

Wiggidy wha?!

Yes, my authoritarian brother. 'Tis true.

Interesting. Did I convert you? :D
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12/13/2009 5:10:44 PM
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At 12/13/2009 5:09:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:54:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:52:27 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.

I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.

Wiggidy wha?!

Yes, my authoritarian brother. 'Tis true.

Interesting. Did I convert you? :D

I'm just really fed up with all the idiots in our country. After really thinking about my stance on political issues, many tests and inward revelations have attracted me to Statism.
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12/13/2009 5:20:33 PM
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At 12/13/2009 5:10:44 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 5:09:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:54:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:52:27 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:46:10 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:31:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/13/2009 4:19:41 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
The USA is gone today because of general American stupidity, ignorance, greed, and liberal policies. Yeah, take that Volkov. I really hate people some times. Americans piss me off so much...

So much for you being a moderate. Liberalism isn't much better, but Conservativism is the worst ideology ever.

I am moderate no more. I have turned authoritarian.

Wiggidy wha?!

Yes, my authoritarian brother. 'Tis true.

Interesting. Did I convert you? :D

I'm just really fed up with all the idiots in our country. After really thinking about my stance on political issues, many tests and inward revelations have attracted me to Statism.

Welcome to the club, I suppose. Any particular brand of authoritarianism?
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12/13/2009 5:57:07 PM
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At 12/13/2009 4:45:33 PM, Volkov wrote:
I know, hence why I said "not modern social liberalism." Still liberalism, though. Despite some contentions to the opposite, they are still apart of the same brand.

Mises and Bastiat are nothing like "Progresives" or "Social Democracts" of today. The good name of liberalism has been tarnished by collectivism. Libertarianism is the true heir to liberalism.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran