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8/10/2013 7:38:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Welcome to Political NOW: Season 1 Issue 3.

This Week In History:
The Atomic Bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A body count of 150,000 to 250,000 followed.

August 6 and August 9, 1945.

Because of the Watergate Sandal, Richard Nixon resigned from the Presidency after 5 years of holding the position.

August 9, 1961.

Topics of the Week:
1 - Abortion: The Bigger Picture.
2 - Taxes: And How They Really Work.

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Abortion: The Bigger Picture

While the 55,000,000 (MILLION) abortions in the USA since Roe vs. Wade is a large number, it's only a small piece of a much larger picture...

The 1,250,000,000 (BILLION) abortions worldwide
And the 43,000,000 (MILLION) abortions a year.(1,2)

Planned Parenthood has been a topic in the center of the Abortion debate for a long time, but how many of their baby-related services are actually abortions?
Adoption - 841
Parenthood Services - 31,089
Abortions - 329,445

The number of abortions is more than 10x the others combined. Standing at 91% of all baby/pregnancy-related services. Seems like Planned Parenthood isn't planning very much parenthood at all.*

Total Revenue - $1,048,000,000
Revenue from Government - 487,400,000 (46.5%)(3)

Less than 0.5% percent of Abortions are for Rape.
Almost 1% is because the woman's Partner or Parent wanted it.

Almost 97% can be solved by Adoption.

This means, based on percent....
51,116,108 Abortions could have been prevented by Adoption.
1,349,896 Abortions a year average could be prevented by Adoption.(4)

SOURCES:
1 - http://www.nrlc.org...
2 - www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2009/oct/09101604**
3 - http://issuu.com...
4 - http://www.guttmacher.org...

*Baby/Pregnancy-related services do not involve STD testing, pregnancy preventing services, etc...
**From 2009. almost 150 million global abortions ago.


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Taxes; And How They Really Work.

Many believe Taxes are lowers for the rich, or that they should be higher... Not many people know how taxes are actually ran using the Tax Bracket System.

Tax Brackets work to increase taxes with wealth equally, and doesn't hurt personal income when you move up a bracket.

With Tax Brackets, you do not pay for all your income in one bracket. Your income is split up into pots, and taxed separately. The first $8,699 is taxed in the first bracket; the next $26,650 is taxed in the next bracket, and so on.

A simple way to describe Tax Brackets... You will be taxed 10% on your income until you fill up the first bracket (maxed at $8699.) Once the bracket is full, the remainder of your income is taxed in the next bracket at 15% until you fill it up. Then the remainder after that is taxed in the next bracket and so on...

THE TAX BRACKETS are as follows.
Single ...................... Couple ......................... Head of House ................ Tax
$0+ .......................... $0+ ............................... $0+ ..................................... 10%
$8,700+ .................. $17,400+ ..................... $12,400+ .......................... 15%
$35,350+ ................ $70,700+ ..................... $47,350+ .......................... 25%
$85,650+ ................ $142,700+ ................... $122,300+ ....................... 28%
$178,650+ .............. $217,450+ ................... $198,050+ ....................... 33%
$388,350+ .............. $388,350+ ................... $388,350+ ....................... 35%

The logic behind this system is that without it, someone earning $8,699 at 10% tax leaves with $7,830. Once you earn a dollar more, you're in the 15% range now, and leave with $7,395.85. You need to earn $9,211 before you're earning the same amount you used to. This both hurts the economy, and makes moving up stressful and undesirable.

With the Tax Bracket system, your taxed 10% on the first $8,699, and 15% on the money after that until you reach the next bracket.

1 - http://www.tax-brackets.org...
2 - http://www.taxpolicycenter.org...
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8/11/2013 1:34:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/10/2013 7:38:56 PM, donald.keller wrote:

Abortion: The Bigger Picture

Planned Parenthood has been a topic in the center of the Abortion debate for a long time, but how many of their baby-related services are actually abortions?
Adoption - 841
Parenthood Services - 31,089
Abortions - 329,445

The number of abortions is more than 10x the others combined. Standing at 91% of all baby/pregnancy-related services. Seems like Planned Parenthood isn't planning very much parenthood at all.*

*Baby/Pregnancy-related services do not involve STD testing, pregnancy preventing services, etc...

I find it to be blatantly dishonest that you chose to exclude these items. If you had included them (especially the pregnancy preventing services - why the hell would you count that as not being baby/pregnancy related?), abortion would be 3% of what Planned Parenthood provides. Please stop cherry picking data to support your view.

Also, fun fact - 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, where the embryo (yes, embryo, not fetus, nor baby, nor child, nor teenager, nor adult, nor elderly person) has not yet even started developing all essential organs. Much less do they display any meaningful brain activity, which is something that is essential to one's own individuality. Of course, abortion opponents seem to want to cover up this fact and make it seem like women always wait until the last minute to get one.
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8/11/2013 2:13:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/11/2013 1:34:08 AM, drhead wrote:
At 8/10/2013 7:38:56 PM, donald.keller wrote:

Abortion: The Bigger Picture

Planned Parenthood has been a topic in the center of the Abortion debate for a long time, but how many of their baby-related services are actually abortions?
Adoption - 841
Parenthood Services - 31,089
Abortions - 329,445

The number of abortions is more than 10x the others combined. Standing at 91% of all baby/pregnancy-related services. Seems like Planned Parenthood isn't planning very much parenthood at all.*

*Baby/Pregnancy-related services do not involve STD testing, pregnancy preventing services, etc...

I find it to be blatantly dishonest that you chose to exclude these items. If you had included them (especially the pregnancy preventing services - why the hell would you count that as not being baby/pregnancy related?), abortion would be 3% of what Planned Parenthood provides. Please stop cherry picking data to support your view.

Also, fun fact - 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, where the embryo (yes, embryo, not fetus, nor baby, nor child, nor teenager, nor adult, nor elderly person) has not yet even started developing all essential organs. Much less do they display any meaningful brain activity, which is something that is essential to one's own individuality. Of course, abortion opponents seem to want to cover up this fact and make it seem like women always wait until the last minute to get one.

How so? This is about Abortion and Pregnancy-related things... Not STD testing and sex education.

It's dishonest of Planned Parenthood to include things unrelated in the topic to kinda... minimize and hide the issue. They compared it up to irrelevant things, a no no in any DDO debate...
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8/11/2013 2:16:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/11/2013 2:13:29 AM, donald.keller wrote:
At 8/11/2013 1:34:08 AM, drhead wrote:
At 8/10/2013 7:38:56 PM, donald.keller wrote:

Abortion: The Bigger Picture

Planned Parenthood has been a topic in the center of the Abortion debate for a long time, but how many of their baby-related services are actually abortions?
Adoption - 841
Parenthood Services - 31,089
Abortions - 329,445

The number of abortions is more than 10x the others combined. Standing at 91% of all baby/pregnancy-related services. Seems like Planned Parenthood isn't planning very much parenthood at all.*

*Baby/Pregnancy-related services do not involve STD testing, pregnancy preventing services, etc...

I find it to be blatantly dishonest that you chose to exclude these items. If you had included them (especially the pregnancy preventing services - why the hell would you count that as not being baby/pregnancy related?), abortion would be 3% of what Planned Parenthood provides. Please stop cherry picking data to support your view.

Also, fun fact - 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, where the embryo (yes, embryo, not fetus, nor baby, nor child, nor teenager, nor adult, nor elderly person) has not yet even started developing all essential organs. Much less do they display any meaningful brain activity, which is something that is essential to one's own individuality. Of course, abortion opponents seem to want to cover up this fact and make it seem like women always wait until the last minute to get one.

How so? This is about Abortion and Pregnancy-related things... Not STD testing and sex education.

It's dishonest of Planned Parenthood to include things unrelated in the topic to kinda... minimize and hide the issue. They compared it up to irrelevant things, a no no in any DDO debate...

"pregnancy preventing services" is part of "Pregnancy-related things"
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8/11/2013 2:18:50 AM
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In a debate about Unborn Children, you compare the operations that actually involve the that Unborn Child.. You don't hide it behind unrelated services... This debate isn't about how many books you hand out or how many tests you gave for Herpes... Including those in the topic is Red Herring.

It was specifically about how many of their services related to Pregnancy ends in an abortion. Your STD tests have nothing to do with that comparison.

I don't ask about the IRS, and you bring up every other Government Agency to hide it.
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8/11/2013 2:22:32 AM
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At 8/11/2013 2:16:37 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/11/2013 2:13:29 AM, donald.keller wrote:
At 8/11/2013 1:34:08 AM, drhead wrote:
At 8/10/2013 7:38:56 PM, donald.keller wrote:

Abortion: The Bigger Picture

Planned Parenthood has been a topic in the center of the Abortion debate for a long time, but how many of their baby-related services are actually abortions?
Adoption - 841
Parenthood Services - 31,089
Abortions - 329,445

The number of abortions is more than 10x the others combined. Standing at 91% of all baby/pregnancy-related services. Seems like Planned Parenthood isn't planning very much parenthood at all.*

*Baby/Pregnancy-related services do not involve STD testing, pregnancy preventing services, etc...

I find it to be blatantly dishonest that you chose to exclude these items. If you had included them (especially the pregnancy preventing services - why the hell would you count that as not being baby/pregnancy related?), abortion would be 3% of what Planned Parenthood provides. Please stop cherry picking data to support your view.

Also, fun fact - 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, where the embryo (yes, embryo, not fetus, nor baby, nor child, nor teenager, nor adult, nor elderly person) has not yet even started developing all essential organs. Much less do they display any meaningful brain activity, which is something that is essential to one's own individuality. Of course, abortion opponents seem to want to cover up this fact and make it seem like women always wait until the last minute to get one.

How so? This is about Abortion and Pregnancy-related things... Not STD testing and sex education.

It's dishonest of Planned Parenthood to include things unrelated in the topic to kinda... minimize and hide the issue. They compared it up to irrelevant things, a no no in any DDO debate...

"pregnancy preventing services" is part of "Pregnancy-related things"

If you get contraceptives, than you're most certainly not involved in the discussion of Abortion and an unborn baby.

Post-Conception related services, if you really need it better defined. Anything that doesn't involve an unborn baby is irrelevant to a discussion on Abortion.

This is about how many unborn babies survive Planned Parenthood.
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8/11/2013 2:32:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/11/2013 2:22:32 AM, donald.keller wrote:
At 8/11/2013 2:16:37 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/11/2013 2:13:29 AM, donald.keller wrote:
At 8/11/2013 1:34:08 AM, drhead wrote:
At 8/10/2013 7:38:56 PM, donald.keller wrote:

Abortion: The Bigger Picture

Planned Parenthood has been a topic in the center of the Abortion debate for a long time, but how many of their baby-related services are actually abortions?
Adoption - 841
Parenthood Services - 31,089
Abortions - 329,445

The number of abortions is more than 10x the others combined. Standing at 91% of all baby/pregnancy-related services. Seems like Planned Parenthood isn't planning very much parenthood at all.*

*Baby/Pregnancy-related services do not involve STD testing, pregnancy preventing services, etc...

I find it to be blatantly dishonest that you chose to exclude these items. If you had included them (especially the pregnancy preventing services - why the hell would you count that as not being baby/pregnancy related?), abortion would be 3% of what Planned Parenthood provides. Please stop cherry picking data to support your view.

Also, fun fact - 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, where the embryo (yes, embryo, not fetus, nor baby, nor child, nor teenager, nor adult, nor elderly person) has not yet even started developing all essential organs. Much less do they display any meaningful brain activity, which is something that is essential to one's own individuality. Of course, abortion opponents seem to want to cover up this fact and make it seem like women always wait until the last minute to get one.

How so? This is about Abortion and Pregnancy-related things... Not STD testing and sex education.

It's dishonest of Planned Parenthood to include things unrelated in the topic to kinda... minimize and hide the issue. They compared it up to irrelevant things, a no no in any DDO debate...

"pregnancy preventing services" is part of "Pregnancy-related things"

If you get contraceptives, than you're most certainly not involved in the discussion of Abortion and an unborn baby.

Post-Conception related services, if you really need it better defined. Anything that doesn't involve an unborn baby is irrelevant to a discussion on Abortion.

This is about how many unborn babies survive Planned Parenthood.

If you look at the entirety of the statistics, 92% of pregnancy related services are contraception, compared to 8% abortion and others. They prevent plenty of embryos (or "unborn baby" or "unborn child" if you must insist on spicing up things for emotional appeal. Hell, call it an "unborn adult" for all I care, it's just as accurate.) from ever being conceived. Look at it this way: would you rather have them provide abortions in place of this birth control (which is often sold at half the price you'd pay at a pharmacy without insurance)?

In current president Cecile Richard's own words: "Planned Parenthood does more to prevent unintended pregnancy and the need for abortion than any organization in America."
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8/11/2013 11:44:20 AM
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Almost 97% can be solved by Adoption.

You must either be a political hack or have no idea how sh*tty the foster care system in the US is if you sincerely believe that adoption can solve 97% of abortions
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8/11/2013 11:46:23 AM
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If something's not right, you fix it instead of using it as in excuse.
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8/11/2013 11:57:10 AM
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If something's not right, you fix it instead of using it as in excuse.

Yelling 'adoption!' isnt a solution though, giving a kid up to adoption is dooming that kid to a childhood of pain, poverty, and unwantedness all also at the taxpayers expense whereas abortion actually FIXES the problem and doesnt charge taxpayers a dime either.
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8/11/2013 11:58:11 AM
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At 8/11/2013 11:57:10 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/11/2013 11:46:23 AM, donald.keller wrote:
If something's not right, you fix it instead of using it as in excuse.

Yelling 'adoption!' isnt a solution though, giving a kid up to adoption is dooming that kid to a childhood of pain, poverty, and unwantedness all also at the taxpayers expense whereas abortion actually FIXES the problem and doesnt charge taxpayers a dime either.

You dont even realize that your using adoption as an excuse to adoption in your own argument either
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8/11/2013 12:10:44 PM
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At 8/11/2013 11:46:23 AM, donald.keller wrote:
If something's not right, you fix it instead of using it as in excuse.

The main problem in this case is a lack of people to adopt children. Adding 380,000 more people up for adoption isn't really going to help much, and all it will result in is more children not being adopted. Have you ever heard of there being too much demand and insufficient supply of children up for adoption?

Furthermore, one of the main reasons that people get abortions is so they don't have to go through any of the potential complications that may arise during childbirth. There is no way to adopt an embryo. Your solution does not solve this problem.
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8/11/2013 12:10:57 PM
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At 8/11/2013 11:57:10 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/11/2013 11:46:23 AM, donald.keller wrote:
If something's not right, you fix it instead of using it as in excuse.

Yelling 'adoption!' isnt a solution though, giving a kid up to adoption is dooming that kid to a childhood of pain, poverty, and unwantedness all also at the taxpayers expense whereas abortion actually FIXES the problem and doesnt charge taxpayers a dime either.

Most of these claims are unwarranted. Aside from what you see in the movies, many children are adopted into great families, and many live great lifes... The best part is that they even get to live at all.

http://www.npr.org...
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8/11/2013 12:14:39 PM
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At 8/11/2013 12:10:57 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 8/11/2013 11:57:10 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/11/2013 11:46:23 AM, donald.keller wrote:
If something's not right, you fix it instead of using it as in excuse.

Yelling 'adoption!' isnt a solution though, giving a kid up to adoption is dooming that kid to a childhood of pain, poverty, and unwantedness all also at the taxpayers expense whereas abortion actually FIXES the problem and doesnt charge taxpayers a dime either.

Most of these claims are unwarranted. Aside from what you see in the movies, many children are adopted into great families, and many live great lifes... The best part is that they even get to live at all.

http://www.npr.org...

hey genius, the article is only talking about those who HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. It doesnt say sh*t about those who go through their whole lives not being adopted, which as someone else already mentioned, is quite a problem in the US and adding a couple extra million to the line wont help much
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8/11/2013 12:17:47 PM
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At 8/11/2013 12:10:57 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 8/11/2013 11:57:10 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/11/2013 11:46:23 AM, donald.keller wrote:
If something's not right, you fix it instead of using it as in excuse.

Yelling 'adoption!' isnt a solution though, giving a kid up to adoption is dooming that kid to a childhood of pain, poverty, and unwantedness all also at the taxpayers expense whereas abortion actually FIXES the problem and doesnt charge taxpayers a dime either.

Most of these claims are unwarranted. Aside from what you see in the movies, many children are adopted into great families, and many live great lifes... The best part is that they even get to live at all.

http://www.npr.org...

Given that 90% of abortions are done within the first trimester, can you demonstrate that the embryo, at that point in time, is living to the extent that they can see, feel, and think, at least to the point where they would feel a difference between living and not living?
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