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8/16/2013 2:54:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Part I

Why is there so much controversy over why Homosexuals are not Heterosexuals?

One reason is because gay right groups (e.g., Human Rights Campaign, the country"s most powerful lesbian and gay organization) have been very successful at promoting the idea that homosexuality is the results of innate/biological factors (e.g., genes, hormones, ring finger length, etc.) instead of a learned behavior. The gay organizations hate the idea that homosexuality is a learned behavior, which implies you have a choice and can change if you really want to change.

In the 2011, during a Presidential debate, Herman Cain asserted that being gay is a choice. The Human Rights Campaign then asked members to "Tell Herman Cain to get with the times! Being Gay is not a choice!

"The problem with such statements is that they infuse biological accounts with an obligatory and nearly coercive force, suggesting that anyone who describes homosexual desire as a choice or social construction is playing into the hands of the enemy."

So, the gay rights movement is spreading the "gay biology" myth that being gay is somehow caused by hormones or genes and is not a learned behavior. The fact is that homosexuality, heterosexuality and bi-sexuality are learned behaviors; however, heterosexuality is aided by the fact that evolution created men and women differently for the purpose of having babies to propagate the human race. The desire to have sex and to have babies is innate and hardwired into the brains of humans.

"In 2012, actress Cynthia Nixon (American actress, best known for her portrayal of Miranda Hobbes in the HBO series Sex and the City), after commenting to a New York Times Magazine reporter that she "chose" to pursue a lesbian relationship after many years as a content heterosexual. This comment was met with outrage by lesbian and gay activists. They accused her of falling into the right-wing trap. They said "Every religious right hatemonger is now going to quote this woman every single time they want to deny us our civil rights." Under considerable pressure from lesbian and gay advocacy groups, Nixon recanted her statement a few weeks later, stating instead that she must have been born with bisexual potential."
http://socialinqueery.com...

So, what is the truth? The gay rights groups are not scientists, psychologists, researchers or doctors. How do they know?

They don"t!

But, they can"t admit it is a learned behavior because that implies it can be changed. So, now we have the myth that homosexuality is innate, which is not supported by one reliable scientific study.

Sigmund Freud was one of the most notable neurologists and founding father of psychoanalysis. He qualified as a doctor of medicine at the University of Vienna in 1881. He was one of the first to study human behavior; he was also one of the most influential thinkers of the 20th century. He was one of the first to study childhood development and the stages a child goes through in their psychosexual development, which he divided into five stages from birth to puberty: Oral (birth to 1 year), Anal (1 to 3 years), Phallic (3 to 6 years), Latency (6 to puberty) and Genital (Puberty to death).

Going through those psychosexual stages a child gains their sexual identity as heterosexual or homosexual.

There are some psychologists that take exception to certain aspects of Freud"s work, but very few disagree with the concept that sexual identify is learned as a child from birth to puberty.

Before I get much further and hear the shouts, "what about the infants that are born with intersex conditions," I will address that now. Of course, for this group of relatively few, sexual identity is a bigger problem. It is hard to know how prevalent this condition is because of the lack of reporting and the variety of different conditions that are reported. The number of intersex conditions that require genital reconstruction is 1 to 2 per 2,000 children (Preves, 2003) or from 0.05% to 0.1%. But, the intersex group is outside the discussion of normal children that are born with fully functional genitalia.

The idea or theory that homosexuality is biologically (i.e., genetically, hormonally, etc.) determined has been proffered by the gay community ad nauseum; however there is not one reliable scientific study that proves those theory; and the old studies that have been cited have been disproven or have been misquoted by the gay groups.

"What is clear, however, is that the scientific attempts to demonstrate that homosexual attraction is biologically determined have failed. The major researchers now prominent in the scientific arena-themselves including gay activists have in fact arrived at such conclusions."

The study I love the most is the one where identical twins were analyzed, where one grows up as a homosexual and one a heterosexual. They both had the same hormones in the mother"s womb and the same biological or genetic makeup. So, they should both grow up as homosexuals or heterosexuals if sexual identity is determined by hormones in the mother"s womb or by their genetics; but, they didn"t.

"The third study, which was conducted by Bailey and Pillard, focused on twins. They found a concordance (both twins homosexual) rate of 52% among identical twins, 22% among non-identical twins and a 9.2 % among non-twins. This study actually provides support for environmental factors. If homosexuality were in the genetic code, all of the identical twins would have been homosexual (1991)."

"Prominent research teams Byne and Parsons, and also Friedman and Downey, each concluded that there was no evidence to support a biologic theory, but rather that homosexuality could be best explained by an alternative model where "temperamental and personality traits interact with the familial and social milieu as the individual's sexuality emerges" (Byne and Parsons, 1993; Friedman and Downey, 1993)."
http://www.narth.com...

"Behaviorists believe that it is needless to speculate about the internal mental processes, when a person explains behavior. They also believe that people are usually born with limited innate reflexes, and all behaviors that a person has is learned throughout life. Behaviorists assume that the process of learning is common in all species."
http://www.ask.com...

"Behavioral psychology, also known as behaviorism, is a theory of learning based upon the idea that all behaviors are acquired through conditioning. Cognitive Psychologist attempt to learn how the outside effects the behaviors."
http://www.chacha.com...

Behavior modification is based on the principles of operant conditioning, which were developed by American behaviorist B. F. Skinner (1904-1990). Skinner formulated the concept of operant conditioning, through which behavior could be shaped by reinforcement or lack of it. Skinner considered his concept applicable to a wide range of both human and animal behaviors and introduced operant conditioning to the general public in his 1938 book, The Behavior of Organisms .
http://www.minddisorders.com...

Most behaviors are learned by early ages. It is very hard to modify that behavior; but not impossible.

"Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous...homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.....
http://www.narth.com...
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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8/16/2013 2:55:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Part II

"Cognitive therapy is a psychosocial (both psychological and social) therapy that assumes that faulty thought patterns (called cognitive patterns) cause maladaptive behavior and emotional responses. The treatment focuses on changing thoughts in order to solve psychological and personality problems. Behavior therapy is also a goal-oriented, therapeutic approach, and it treats emotional and behavioral disorders as maladaptive learned responses that can be replaced by healthier ones with appropriate training. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) integrates features of behavior modification into the traditional cognitive restructuring approach."
http://www.minddisorders.com...

The bottom line is that sexual identity, whether you are a homosexual or a heterosexual, is a learned behavior. That behavior is not blamable, and it is very hard to change. There are no reasons for heterosexuals to change their sexual behavior to gay or bi-sexual unless they want to, which most do not. A few find the idea of same-sex sex exciting and try bi-sex, sometimes with just a same-sex person, or with group sex where one or more people are the same sex and the opposite sex. The desire to engage in bi-sexual activities is also a learned behavior.

Being heterosexual is how man and woman were meant to be as determined by evolution. The only sexually innate desires or instincts are the desires to have sex and have babies, which are both interrelated. There are other hard-wired instincts that all animals share, e.g., fight or flight and our bodies have other defense mechanisms that are biological or innate, e.g., white blood cells or leukocytes are cells of the immune system that react automatically fighting germs or infections entering the blood.

Gays are unfortunate in that they did not receive the right signals growing up and now must live as homosexuals in a heterosexual world.

Evolution cannot be denied, nor can the biologically different roles of a man versus a woman.

Just because a small percent of the World"s population of children did not receive the right sexual identity signals or a small percent of adults chose to change from heterosexual to homosexual or bi-sexual does not change the fact that heterosexuality is the normal behavior practice by most of the World.

Another myth being proffered by gays is that most of the world accepts homosexuality.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes homosexuality is more accepted in the wealthier more secular counties in the world. However, based on the percent of the total world population, less than one-third of the world"s population thinks that homosexuality should be accepted by society, based on a recent Pew Research Center polls taken in 39 counties.

No organization has polled or done homosexual acceptance surveys in all 242 countries in the world, which has a total population of about 7.1 billion people.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

One of the most respected organizations doing polls or surveys is the Pew Research Center. In May 2013 they did surveys in 39 countries. The survey question was "Should Society Accept Homosexuality " yes or no." The Pew article that was released on June 4, 2012 is titled:

"The Global Divide on Homosexuality - Greater Acceptance in More Secular and Affluent Countries"
http://www.pewglobal.org...

If you do take the time to look at this article, please read all the details and supporting schedules so that you are not mislead by the results.

Even though Pew is supposed to be neutral in its surveys, there is a pro-gay tone to this article. I say this because of the way they laid out their results, e.g., instead of starting with the most populous country in their surveys, China, where 57% of the population said "Society should not accept homosexuality; they start with Canada " 80% yes, and U.S. " 60% yes. They also don"t mention in the main article the fact that they did not do a survey in India, which is very anti-homosexuality and the 2nd most populous country in the world with a population of 1.2 Billion or 17% of the total world population of about 7.1 billion. They also did not take surveys in many other anti-homosexual countries, e.g., Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and most of the Muslim countries that are very anti-homosexual.

These 39 countries polled have a total population of 3.9 billion combined, which represents 55% of the world population; but don"t be misled. If you multiple the percentages that said "yes, Homosexuality should be accepted by society" in those 39 countries by the total populations in those countries, you get a "yes total" of 1.3 Billion or 33% of the total populations of the 39 countries polled.

But, that does not mean 33% of the world thinks homosexuality should be accepted by society, it just means that in those 39 countries, 33% think homosexuality should be accepted by society. So one out of every three people in those 39 countries thinks that homosexuality should be accepted.

If you add the countries that were not surveyed that are very anti-homosexuality, e.g., India, Bangladesh, Iran, Sudan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, the percent drops to about 31%.

It is important to read the entire article and pay attention to some of the comments or again, you might be misled. Here is one important comment made by Pew:

"The survey also finds that acceptance of homosexuality is particularly widespread in countries where religion is less central in people"s lives. These are also among the richest countries in the world. In contrast, in poorer countries with high levels of religiosity, few believe homosexuality should be accepted by society."

"Where Homosexuality Is Rejected"
Publics in Africa and in predominantly Muslim countries remain among the least accepting of homosexuality. In sub-Saharan Africa, at least nine-in-ten in Nigeria (98%), Senegal (96%), Ghana (96%), Uganda (96%) and Kenya (90%) believe homosexuality should not be accepted by society. Even in South Africa where, unlike in many other African countries, homosexual acts are legal and discrimination based on sexual orientation is unconstitutional, 61% say homosexuality should not be accepted by society, while just 32% say it should be accepted.

Overwhelming majorities in the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed also say homosexuality should be rejected, including 97% in Jordan, 95% in Egypt, 94% in Tunisia, 93% in the Palestinian territories, 93% in Indonesia, 87% in Pakistan, 86% in Malaysia, 80% in Lebanon and 78% in Turkey."

So all you folks that are saying the homosexuality is accepted in most of the World, you do not know what you are talking about and are spreading lies, which is a common tactic by gay rights organizations, gays, and gay rights supporters.
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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8/16/2013 2:56:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Part III

Another fact being ignored by gays is that gays are more likely to have a higher risk of mental illness, specifically suicidality, major depression and anxiety disorder (Ferguson et al, 1999; Herrell et al).

"Comparative Levels of Mental Health: The Data
What is particularly disturbing is the lack of attention paid by the media to the research evidence reported in the Archives of General Psychiatry which concluded that gay, lesbian and bisexual people were at higher risk for mental illness, specifically suicidality, major depression and anxiety disorder." (Ferguson et al, 1999; Herrell et al).

"While one might suggest that society's oppression of homosexual people may be the cause of such mental illness, this may not be the case. In fact, this study corroborated the findings of a well-conducted Dutch study, and Dutch society is a very gay-affirming and gay friendly society (Sandfort et al, 2001)."

"Bailey (of the twin study) offered other possible reasons for significantly more mental illness in homosexual individuals: "homosexuality represents a deviation from normal development and is associated with other such deviations that may lead to mental illness," or another possibility is "that increased psychopathology among homosexual people is a consequence of lifestyle differences associated with sexual orientation." An additional possibility offered by Bailey: "behavioral risk factors associated with male homosexuality such as receptive anal sex and promiscuity." He noted that it would be a shame if "sociopolitical concerns prevented researchers from conscientious consideration of any reasonable hypothesis" (Bailey,1999, p. 883-884)."

Regarding change and the right to treatment, lesbian activist Camille Paglia offered the following observations:

"Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous...homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait....."

"Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is refractory, once the sensory pathways have been blazed and deepened by repetition-a phenomenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction....helping gays to learn to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perfectly worthy aim.
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"The Effect of Social Stigma"

"Third, does pressure from society lead to mental health problems? Less, I believe, than one might imagine. The authors of the study done in The Netherlands were surprised to find so much mental illness in homosexual people in a country where tolerance of homosexuality is greater than in almost all other countries."

"Another good comparison country is New Zealand, which is much more tolerant of homosexuality than is the United States. Legislation giving the movement special legal rights is powerful, consistently enforced throughout the country, and virtually never challenged. Despite this broad level of social tolerance, suicide attempts were common in a New Zealand study and occurred at about the same rate as in the U.S."

"In his cross-cultural comparison of mental health in the Netherlands, Denmark and the U.S., Ross (1988) could find no significant differences between countries - i.e. the greater social hostility in the United States did not result in a higher level of psychiatric problems."
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When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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8/16/2013 2:56:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Part IV

Another myth is that homosexuals are not more promiscuous than heterosexuals; nothing could be further from the truth.

The LGBT organizations, e.g., Human Rights Campaign, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force want you to believe that the rate of promiscuity between gays is the same as between heterosexuals. But, nothing could be further from the truth. Both gay men and gay women are much more promiscuous than heterosexuals. There are hundreds of studies that support this fact.

There is an article "Promiscuity" which summaries the results of over 15 studies that support the high rate of promiscuity among homosexuals.
http://factsaboutyouth.com...

Here are the facts from the above article. I will list all the references at the end.

1."A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250- 499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners.

2."By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984."

3."In more recent years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control has reported an upswing in promiscuity, at least among young homosexual men in San Francisco. From 1994 to 1997, the percentage of homosexual men reporting multiple partners and unprotected anal sex rose from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent, with the largest increase among men under 25."

4."Despite its continuing incurability, AIDS no longer seems to deter individuals from engaging in promiscuous gay sex."

5."A 2003 U. S. - based, Urban Men"s Health Study, reported that over 30% of the homosexual men studied frequented bathhouses with an average of 27 partners per year."

6."In a 2003 study, Amsterdam "singles" averaged 22 casual partners/year, while those with a "steady partner" averaged eight. The average duration of partnerships was 1.5 years."

7."In a 2005 Canadian vaccine trial, homosexual individuals reported 7 partners in the last 6 months."

8."The data relating to gay promiscuity were obtained from self-identified gay men. Some advocates argue that the average would be lower if closeted homosexuals were included in the statistics. That is likely true, according to data obtained in a 2000 survey in Australia that tracked whether men who had sex with men were associated with the gay community. Men who were associated with the gay community were nearly four times as likely to have had more than 50 sex partners in the six months preceding the survey as men who were not associated with the gay community. This may imply that it is riskier to be "out" than "closeted." Adopting a gay identity may create more pressure to be promiscuous and to be so with a cohort of other more promiscuous partners."

9."Promiscuity among lesbians is less extreme, but it is still higher than among heterosexual women. Overall, women tend to have fewer sex partners than men. But there is a surprising finding about lesbian promiscuity in the literature. Australian investigators reported that lesbian women were 4.5 times more likely to have had more than 50 lifetime male partners than heterosexual women (9 percent of lesbians versus 2 percent of heterosexual women); and 93 percent of women who identified themselves as lesbian reported a history of sex with men. Other studies similarly show that 75-90 percent of women who have sex with women have also had sex with men.

The references sited in this Promiscuity articles are as follows:

[1] Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men, p. 112, New York: Penguin Group, 1998 (quoting gay writer Michael Lynch).

[2] Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A study of Diversity Among Men and Women, p. 308, Table 7, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978.

[3] Leon McKusick, et al., "Reported Changes in the Sexual Behavior of Men at Risk for AIDS, San Francisco, 1982-84 " the AIDS Behavioral Research Project," Public Health Reports, 100(6): 622-629, p. 625, Table 1 (November- December 1985). In 1982 respondents reported an average of 4.7 new partners in the prior month; in 1984, respondents reported an average of 2.5 new partners in the prior month.

[4] "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men " San Francisco, California, 1994-1997," Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report, CDC, 48(03): 45-48, p. 45 (January 29, 1999).

[5] This was evident by the late 80R42;s and early 90R42;s. Jeffrey A. Kelly, PhD, et al., "Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome/ Human Immunodeficiency Virus Risk Behavior Among Gay Men in Small Cities," Archives of Internal Medicine, 152: 2293-2297, pp. 2295-2296 (November 1992); Donald R. Hoover, et al., "Estimating the 1978-1990 and Future Spread of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 in Subgroups of Homosexual Men," American Journal of Epidemiology, 134(10): 1190-1205, p. 1203 (1991).

[6]Woods, et al., Public Policy Regulating Private and Public Space in Gay Bathhouses, JAIDS Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes. Vol.32 (4). April 2003 (pp. 417-423).

[7]Lampinen, Et al., Sexual risk behavior of Canadian participants in the first efficacy trial of a preventive HIV-1 Vaccine. " Canadian Medical Association CMAJ Vol. 172(4) Feb 2005 (pp. 479-83).

[8]Xiridou, et al., The contribution of steady and casual partnerships to the incidence of HIV infection among homosexual men in Amsterdam. AIDS Vol. 17 2003 (pp. 1029-1038).

[9] A lesbian pastor made this assertion during a question and answer session that followed a presentation the author made on homosexual health risks at the Chatauqua Institute in Western New York, summer 2001.

[10] Paul Van de Ven, et al., "Facts & Figures: 2000 Male Out Survey," p. 20 & Table 20, monograph published by National Centre in HIV Social Research Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences, The University of New South Wales, February 2001.

[11] Rotello, pp. 43-46.

[12] Ibid., pp. 165-172.

[13] Hoover, et al., Figure 3.

[14] "Basic Statistics," CDC " Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention, June 2001, www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm. (Nearly 8% (50,066) of men with AIDS had sex with men and used intravenous drugs. These men are included in the 64% figure (411,933) of 649,186 men who have been diagnosed with AIDS.)

[15] Figures from a study presented at the Infectious Diseases Society of America meeting in San Francisco and reported by Christopher Heredia, "Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most," San Francisco Chronicle, October 26, 2001, www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/26/MN7489 3.DTL (accessed 3/18/10).

[16]Centers for Disease Control. CDC Analysis Provides New Look at Disproportionate Impact of HIV and Syphilis among U.S. Gay and Bisexual Men. Press Release. Wednesday, March 10, 2010.

[17] Katherine Fethers, Caron Marks, et al., "Sexually transmitted infections and risk behaviors in women who have sex with women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, 76(5): 345- 349, p. 347 (October 2000).

[18] James Price, et al., "Perceptions of cervical cancer and pap smear screening behavior by Women"s Sexual Orientation," Journal of Community Health, 21(2): 89-105 (1996); Daron Ferris, et al., "A Neglected Lesbian Health Concern: Cervical Neoplasia," The Journal of Family Practice, 43(6): 581-584, p. 581 (December 1996); C. Skinner, J. Stokes, et al., "A Case-Controlled Study of the Sexual Health Needs of Lesbians," Sexually Transmitted Infections, 72(4): 277-280, Abstract (1996).
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"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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8/16/2013 3:09:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Part V

Another myth is that homosexuals do not have more HIV/Aids and STDs than heterosexuals; nothing could be further from the truth.

The LGBT organizations, e.g., Human Rights Campaign, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force want you to believe that the rate of STD " Sexually Transmitted Diseases or STI " Sexually Transmitted Infections and HIV/Aids between gays is the same as between heterosexuals. But, nothing could be further from the truth. Both gay men and gay women have a much higher rate of sexual diseases / infections, including HIV/Aids/

The world needs know that the Gay rights groups are all lairs and reject reality.

Reality is that homosexuality is a learned behavior. Homosexuality is bad for all societies because of everything I have noted above.

Our children need to be taught that the only normal lifestyle is that of heterosexuality.

Homosexuals should not be allowed to raise children and many studies show this is very bad for children.

"New Research on Children of Same-Sex Parents Suggests Differences Matter"

A large representative sample is supplied in a second new study, conducted by a University of Texas"Austin sociologist and published in the same journal. The New Family Structures Study (NFSS), under the direction of Dr. Mark Regnerus, provides the most representative picture to date of young adults whose parents had same-sex relationships. NFSS is a large, random, nationally representative sample.
In other words, because of how the sample was collected, it is representative of all young adults in this age group in the United States. Knowledge Networks, a respected research firm responsible for collecting the data, screened more than 15,000 young adults (ages 18"39) to identify nearly 3,000 participants, including 175 respondents who reported that their mothers have had a romantic same-sex relationship and 73 respondents who reported that their fathershave. This is the second-largest such sample of children whose parents had same-sex relationships, after the Census. The Census, however, provides a limited set of social welfare outcomes, while NFSS provides data on 40 outcome areas compared across seven family structures.
As Professor Paul Amato of Penn State University notes in his critique of the study, published in the same issue, "The New Family Structures Study is probably the best that we can hope for, at least in the near future."
According to NFSS, just 1.7 percent of young adults ages 18 to 39 reported having a parent who has had a same-sex romantic relationship. The experience of long-term stability in same-sex households is rarer still. Among those who reported having a mother who had a same-sex relationship, 91 percent said they lived with their mothers when they were in the relationship. Fifty-seven percent reported living with their mother and her partner for more than four months, and 23 percent for at least three years. Among young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship, 42 percent said they lived with them during the relationship; 24 percent said they lived with their fathers and fathers" partners for more than four months; and less than 2 percent for at least three years.
Only two respondents whose mothers had a same-sex relationship reported that this living arrangement lasted all 18 years of their childhood. No respondents with fathers who had a same-sex relationship reported such longevity.
The NFSS surveyed young adult respondents about their own relationship history and quality, economic and employment status, health outcomes, abuse history, educational attainment, relationship with parents, psychological and emotional well-being, substance use, and sexual behaviors and outcomes.
Compared to young adults in traditional, intact families, young adults whose mothers had a same-sex relationship tended to fare worse than their peers in intact biological families on 24 of the 40 outcomes examined. For example, they were far more likely to report being sexually victimized, to be on welfare, or to be currently unemployed.
Young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship showed significant differences from their peers in intact families on 19 of the outcomes. For example, they were significantly more likely to have contemplated suicide, to have a sexually transmitted infection, or to have been forced to have sex against their will.

There is an article "Promiscuity" which summaries the results of over 15 studies that support the high rate of promiscuity among homosexuals, which results in serious medical consequences.
http://factsaboutyouth.com...

There is another great article by John R. Diggs, Jr. M.D published in an article by "Catholic Education Resource Center. Many gays like to discount articles published by churches as being bias, but this article references over 100 sources and studies.
http://www.catholiceducation.org...

The Health Risks of Gay Sex
JOHN R. DIGGS, JR., M.D.

Here are the facts from the above article. I will list all the references at the end.

"Excessive sexual promiscuity results in serious medical consequences " indeed; it is a recipe for transmitting disease and generating an epidemic."

1."The HIV/AIDS epidemic has remained a predominantly gay issue in the U.S. primarily because of the greater degree of promiscuity among gays."

2."A study based upon statistics from 1986 through 1990 estimated that 20-year-old gay men had a 50 percent chance of becoming HIV positive by age 55."

3."As of June 2001, nearly 64 percent of men with AIDS were men who have had sex with men."

4."Syphilis is also more common among gay men. The San Francisco Public Health Department recently reported that syphilis among the city"s gay and bisexual men was at epidemic levels. According to the San Francisco Chronicle: "Experts believe syphilis is on the rise among gay and bisexual men because they are engaging in unprotected sex with multiple partners, many of whom they met in anonymous situations such as sex clubs, adult bookstores, meetings through the Internet and in bathhouses. The new data will show that in the 93 cases involving gay and bisexual men this year, the group reported having 1,225 sexual partners."

5."A 2010 CDC data analysis reveals that the rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM (men who have sex with men) is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women. 16[insert reference 10 from Male Homosexual Behavior] Promiscuity is the factor most responsible for the extreme rates of these and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases cited below, many of which result in a shortened life span for men who have sex with men."

6."Lesbians are also at higher risk for STDs and other health problems than heterosexuals.59 However, the health consequences of lesbianism are less well documented than for male homosexuals. This is partly because the devastation of AIDS has caused male homosexual activity to draw the lion's share of medical attention. But it is also because there are fewer lesbians than gay men, and there is no evidence that lesbians practice the same extremes of same-sex promiscuity as gay men. The lesser amount of medical data does not mean, however, that female homosexual behavior is without recognized pathology. Much of the pathology is associated with heterosexual activity by lesbians. Among the difficulties in establishing the pathologies associated with lesbianism is the problem of defining who is a lesbian. Study after study documents that the overwhelming majority of self-described lesbians have had sex with men. Australian researchers at an STD clinic found that only 7 percent of their lesbian sample had never had sexual contact with a male. Not only did lesbians commonly have sex with men, but with lots of men. They were 4.5 times as likely as exclusively heterosexual controls to have had more than 50 lifetime male
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8/16/2013 3:13:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Part VI

Another myth is that homosexuals make great parents, which is total nonsense. The best parents are heterosexual parents where both parents raise the children.

"New Research on Children of Same-Sex Parents Suggests Differences Matter"

Two peer-reviewed articles published Sunday in a scholarly journal cast doubt on a core assumption used to advance same-sex marriage.
A number of studies and articles have suggested that research shows no difference in outcomes between children whose parents have same-sex relationships and their peers raised by heterosexual parents. For example, the American Psychological Association (APA) stated in 2005 that "Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents."
Yesterday the academic journal Social Science Research published a detailed methodological review of the research on which the APA bases its conclusion"a study that questions the validity of the "no difference" assertion. Conducted by a Louisiana State University family scholar, the article concludes:
[N]ot one of the 59 studies referenced in the 2005 APA Brief compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children. The available data, which are drawn primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalizable claim either way. Such a statement would not be grounded in science. To make a generalizable claim, representative, large-sample studies are needed"many of them.
A large representative sample is supplied in a second new study, conducted by a University of Texas"Austin sociologist and published in the same journal. The New Family Structures Study (NFSS), under the direction of Dr. Mark Regnerus, provides the most representative picture to date of young adults whose parents had same-sex relationships. NFSS is a large, random, nationally representative sample.
In other words, because of how the sample was collected, it is representative of all young adults in this age group in the United States. Knowledge Networks, a respected research firm responsible for collecting the data, screened more than 15,000 young adults (ages 18"39) to identify nearly 3,000 participants, including 175 respondents who reported that their mothers have had a romantic same-sex relationship and 73 respondents who reported that their fathershave. This is the second-largest such sample of children whose parents had same-sex relationships, after the Census. The Census, however, provides a limited set of social welfare outcomes, while NFSS provides data on 40 outcome areas compared across seven family structures.
As Professor Paul Amato of Penn State University notes in his critique of the study, published in the same issue, "The New Family Structures Study is probably the best that we can hope for, at least in the near future."
According to NFSS, just 1.7 percent of young adults ages 18 to 39 reported having a parent who has had a same-sex romantic relationship. The experience of long-term stability in same-sex households is rarer still. Among those who reported having a mother who had a same-sex relationship, 91 percent said they lived with their mothers when they were in the relationship. Fifty-seven percent reported living with their mother and her partner for more than four months, and 23 percent for at least three years. Among young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship, 42 percent said they lived with them during the relationship; 24 percent said they lived with their fathers and fathers" partners for more than four months; and less than 2 percent for at least three years.
Only two respondents whose mothers had a same-sex relationship reported that this living arrangement lasted all 18 years of their childhood. No respondents with fathers who had a same-sex relationship reported such longevity.
The NFSS surveyed young adult respondents about their own relationship history and quality, economic and employment status, health outcomes, abuse history, educational attainment, relationship with parents, psychological and emotional well-being, substance use, and sexual behaviors and outcomes.
Compared to young adults in traditional, intact families, young adults whose mothers had a same-sex relationship tended to fare worse than their peers in intact biological families on 24 of the 40 outcomes examined. For example, they were far more likely to report being sexually victimized, to be on welfare, or to be currently unemployed.
Young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship showed significant differences from their peers in intact families on 19 of the outcomes. For example, they were significantly more likely to have contemplated suicide, to have a sexually transmitted infection, or to have been forced to have sex against their will.
These differences take into account the respondent"s age, race/ethnicity, gender, mother"s education, perceived family of origin"s income, whether or not the respondent was ever bullied, and the legal status of same-sex relationships in the respondent"s current state of residence. In other words, the study compared respondents who were identical on these characteristics, except for parental relationship status.
A significant improvement on the limited research to date on child outcomes and same-sex parenting, this new study marks an important development in the research. As findings based on studies using the NFSS and other large, nationally representative data on same-sex parents and their children accumulate, a more generalizable picture will begin to emerge.
At present, far too little is known about this new household form into which activist courts are pushing America"and much of what has been presented to date gives an inaccurate picture of the reality that children of same-sex parenting have experienced.
NFSS project director Dr. Mark Regnerus concludes in a piece running on Slate today that "the stable, two-parent biological married model [is] the far more common and accomplished workhorse of the American household, and still"according to the data, at least"the safest place for a kid."
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8/16/2013 4:00:50 PM
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Too long, didnt read, youre still an idiot
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I must admit... A bit long.

I will read it all. After getting through the first post, I have to give you credit.
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There have been larger essays written about single points, this is rather short for 5 mains points. It's so large because he makes his points, than combat any points that might be brought up against it.. If you think it's too large, don't read it.
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8/16/2013 8:44:00 PM
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At 8/16/2013 2:54:49 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
Part I

Why is there so much controversy over why Homosexuals are not Heterosexuals?

I laughed and then stopped reading. I hope I didn't miss anything important.
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8/16/2013 11:10:03 PM
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At 8/16/2013 8:44:00 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 8/16/2013 2:54:49 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
Part I

Why is there so much controversy over why Homosexuals are not Heterosexuals?

I laughed and then stopped reading. I hope I didn't miss anything important.

Same. It's kind of funny that he once accused me of using "walls of text" :P
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8/16/2013 11:16:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Btw. there is a gay agenda. Here it is:

Live and let live. Do the best you can for yourself. Do what's right, and it'l be allright.

There. Secret's out.
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8/17/2013 1:58:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/16/2013 11:16:25 PM, YYW wrote:
Btw. there is a gay agenda. Here it is:

Live and let live. Do the best you can for yourself. Do what's right, and it'l be allright.

There. Secret's out.

I thought it was:

Wake up.
Skip breakfast because sleep seems more valuable.
Make lunch.
Go to work.
Don't forget about the conference call.
Eat lunch.
Browse Reddit for the last 2 hours of work while no one's looking, don't judge me Phil, I got the paperwork done dammit
Drive home without hitting too many red lights.
Text 25 people to see who has inclusive plans.
Do the laundry before going out on the town.
Forget about laundry, do coursework, why didn't I stay in college when I was still in my 20's?
Go the plans, maybe skip to plan B if someone obnoxious shows up.
Take the long way home and get lost in thought because labor is unfulfilling and the degree seems far away.
Provide some form of daily bodily maintenance.
Go to sleep.
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8/17/2013 2:05:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/17/2013 1:58:00 AM, LevelWithMe wrote:
At 8/16/2013 11:16:25 PM, YYW wrote:
Btw. there is a gay agenda. Here it is:

Live and let live. Do the best you can for yourself. Do what's right, and it'l be allright.

There. Secret's out.

I thought it was:

Wake up.
Skip breakfast because sleep seems more valuable.
Make lunch.
Go to work.
Don't forget about the conference call.
Eat lunch.
Browse Reddit for the last 2 hours of work while no one's looking, don't judge me Phil, I got the paperwork done dammit
Drive home without hitting too many red lights.
Text 25 people to see who has inclusive plans.
Do the laundry before going out on the town.
Forget about laundry, do coursework, why didn't I stay in college when I was still in my 20's?
Go the plans, maybe skip to plan B if someone obnoxious shows up.
Take the long way home and get lost in thought because labor is unfulfilling and the degree seems far away.
Provide some form of daily bodily maintenance.
Go to sleep.
That person's life got worse faster than I intended, I started out with doing the laundry and feeding the cats. I guess they didn't have cats. Or, at least, they didn't make it. They found out they died. The next morning. Taking them out and burning them is on the next day's to-do list. Good thing it's the weekend I guess. Unless they work on the weekend, because their shift rotations don't conform to the 9-5 standard of living work week.

I should give this person a name. A gender probably wouldn't hurt. Would a male imply self projection to large audiences and/or would a female homosexual character lead people to believe I'm trying to lure a notable audience that exists within society only interested in their fetish?

Maybe. Maybe I should just stop posting on DDO.
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8/17/2013 3:05:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Before anyone mentions Regnerus, let me put this here for you to read:

http://thinkprogress.org...

Read the relevant links in the article, too. I'd rather save us the trouble of refuting a study that has been refuted a million times.
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8/17/2013 7:10:52 AM
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At 8/16/2013 4:00:50 PM, imabench wrote:
Too long, didnt read, youre still an idiot

And, you are still an immature punk.
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8/17/2013 7:28:42 AM
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At 8/17/2013 12:11:31 AM, YYW wrote:
At 8/16/2013 11:05:37 PM, MassiveDump wrote:
Oh God, it still has an account.

For now.

No one is not letting gays live and let live. Gays can practice their perverted sex acts in the privacy of their homes. If they want to live together they can.

Gays are trying to invade areas that are solely for heterosexuals and change the meaning of marriage.

Gays want to change evolution and claim that the biological purpose of a man and woman is not to have babies,

Marriage historically has been a event to celebrate the union of a man and a woman for the purpose of raising a family; it makes no difference if they can't have children or are too old.

Gays want to force churches to accept their abnormality even when it goes against the Bible.

Gays don't like the fact that they have made a sexual choice that is not accepted by most of the world, so they now pull the nonsense that they are in love and it is a human right. Human rights are determined by each society differently; there are no universal human rights. There is a universal biological reality as determined by evolution - man and woman are meant to join together to have babies, which is hardwired in our instincts that reside in our brains.

My wife is in love with our dog Emmy, even jokes around that she wants to marry her; but marriage is not between humans and their animals, it is between a man and a woman.

So, I have to problem with live and let live, just stay out of my world, the heterosexual world.
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8/17/2013 9:37:38 AM
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At 8/17/2013 7:28:42 AM, GWL-CPA wrote:
No one is not letting gays live and let live. Gays can practice their perverted sex acts in the privacy of their homes. If they want to live together they can.

I'll just start here, if no one minds...

Gays are trying to invade areas that are solely for heterosexuals and change the meaning of marriage.

So?

Gays want to change evolution and claim that the biological purpose of a man and woman is not to have babies,

Biological purpose is not morality. Is it moral to kill children so your offspring has a better chance of survival?

Marriage historically has been a event to celebrate the union of a man and a woman for the purpose of raising a family; it makes no difference if they can't have children or are too old.

1. Why doesn't it make a difference?
2. So? Argument from tradition is a fallacy, after all.

Gays want to force churches to accept their abnormality even when it goes against the Bible.

Since when did you care about religion?

Gays don't like the fact that they have made a sexual choice that is not accepted by most of the world, so they now pull the nonsense that they are in love and it is a human right. Human rights are determined by each society differently; there are no universal human rights. There is a universal biological reality as determined by evolution - man and woman are meant to join together to have babies, which is hardwired in our instincts that reside in our brains.

Even if you were right, which you aren't--a great many animals species display homosexuality, and people don't choose to be part of the most reviled group in history aside from Jews for sh!ts and giggles--why should we care?

My wife is in love with our dog Emmy, even jokes around that she wants to marry her; but marriage is not between humans and their animals, it is between a man and a woman.

... You, good sir, are an idiot. Are you incapable of understanding the difference between romantic love and other sorts of love? Also, can a dog sign a contract?
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8/17/2013 10:06:53 AM
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Calling it things like 'gay agenda' is inaccurate and pretty dangerous because it's such a personal thing for people; I don't think there is a gay agenda.. there is a 'modern liberal' / feminist / socialist agenda though, and it's pretty harmful in my opinion; Stopping people from questioning whether their sexuality is a choice seems like one of the most harmful aspects. I have no idea if it's a choice, but to be honest telling someone who might think they're gay 'This is what you are for life, there's no choice, and you're ignorant if you think there is' seems really bad.
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8/17/2013 1:39:53 PM
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At 8/16/2013 11:16:25 PM, YYW wrote:
Btw. there is a gay agenda. Here it is:

Live and let live. Do the best you can for yourself. Do what's right, and it'l be allright.

There. Secret's out.

Don't forget preying on boyscouts.
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: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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8/17/2013 3:04:47 PM
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At 8/17/2013 3:05:07 AM, drhead wrote:
Before anyone mentions Regnerus, let me put this here for you to read:

http://thinkprogress.org...

Read the relevant links in the article, too. I'd rather save us the trouble of refuting a study that has been refuted a million times.

Too funny. The Mark Regnerus study have not been refuted by any other study that is acceptable by anyone of any merit; and, millions of times, you need get a grip on reality.

I will first talk about the article you cited by homosexual and gay rights activist Zack Ford.

Then I will get to Mark Regnerus study. This will be long post and in two or more parts because of the nonsense presented by another fig leaf, Zack Ford.

Your link to the article "Sociologists To SCOTUS: All Valid Science Affirms Same-Sex Parenting" BY ZACK FORD ON MARCH 1, 2013 is not a scientific study and Zack Ford is no authority on anything but being a male homosexual. He can probably give you great advice on what lube works best for anal sex.
http://thinkprogress.org...

Who is "Zach Ford"? He is a homosexual and extreme LGBT activist. Imagine that!

"Zack Ford is the editor of ThinkProgress LGBT at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, hailing from the small town of Newport, PA. Prior to joining ThinkProgress, Zack blogged for two years at ZackFordBlogs.com with occasional cross-posts at Pam"s House Blend. He also co-hosts a popular LGBT-issues podcast called Queer and Queerer with activist and performance artist Peterson Toscano. A graduate of Ithaca College (B.M. Music Education) and Iowa State University (M.Ed. Higher Education), Zack is an accomplished pianist with a passion for social justice education. Follow him on Twitter at @ZackFord."
http://thinkprogress.org...

Wow, surprise, what a surprise! A homosexual and far left wing professed gay rights fanatic does not accept a factual scientific study done by a real Sociologist, Mark Regnerus. A valid study that proves that gays do not make good parents. Golly me! Surprise! Surprise!
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At the top of the page of Zack's article are three pictures that link to other articles that are more than sufficient proof to see how messed up this freak is:

1. The first picture shows a man talking next to a sign that states "Human Rights Commission is a Trojan Horse for the Gay Agenda." That picture is a link to an article "Judge Allows Ugandan Suit Charging Anti-Gay Activist with Crimes Against Humanity to Proceed."

This case is against Scott Lively, an Evangelist minister who was preaching his religious beliefs in Uganda, which is guaranteed under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution as freedom of Speech, which is the standard that will have to be applied because this suit was filed in Springfield, MA, USA.

This is a groundbreaking case against an anti-gay religious leader Scott Lively. What it has to do with a "Trojan Horse" is beyond me; but sensationalism is a standard tactic used by gay rights groups.

The ruling means that the case brought by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) on behalf of Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG), a Uganda-based coalition of LGBTI rights and advocacy groups, can move forward over defendant Scott Lively"s request to dismiss the lawsuit.

U.S. law allows foreign citizens to sue for violations of international law in U.S. federal courts under the Alien Tort Statute (ATS). The case, Sexual Minorities Uganda v. Lively, was originally filed in federal court in Springfield, MA, in March 2012.
http://ccrjustice.org...

The Alien Tort Statute (28 U.S.C. " 1350; ATS, also called the Alien Tort Claims Act (ATCA)) is a section of the United States Code that reads: "The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any civil action by an alien for a tort only, committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United States." This statute is notable for having allowed U.S. courts to hear human-rights cases brought by foreign citizens for conduct committed outside the United States. However the Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that the Alien Tort Statute does not apply to corporate defendants nor conduct which occurred outside of the United States, in the case of Kiobel v. Royal Dutch Petroleum.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

So, it is beyond me why this Federal Court judge in Springfield, MA ruled that this case can continue. Also, this is a tort case, so there are no criminal penalties. It will result in no money damages awarded to Sexual Minorities Uganda; just another waste of time and money in America's tort system.

Minister Scott Lively's attorneys, the Liberty Counsel, have insisted that Lively exercised "nothing more than civil, non-violent political discourse in the public square on a subject of great public concern, which occupies the highest run of First Amendment protection."

So, what is next, Churches will be sued for preaching that abortion and using birth control are a human rights violation, even though the Bible states that man should go forth and multiple?

I don't agree with the Church on abortion or birth control, but, it is their constitutional right to speak out against them; just like it is the Church's constitutional right under the first amendment to speak out against homosexuality. Grow up you gay whiners!
http://www.christianpost.com...

2. The next picture in this article by Zack Ford is titled "He Called a Trans Man a "Lady" and He's Proud of it."

The link of this picture brings you to an article written by Zack Ford, "Hate Group Leader Confirms and defends anti-transgender slur made on National television."

"It was bad enough that CNN hosted hate group leader Randy Thomasson of Save California to attack transgender children during a segment Tuesday, but Thomasson also made a transgender slur on-air. At the end of his interview, Thomasson called the Transgender Law Center"s Masen Davis a "lady." With a bald head and full beard, Davis quite clearly identifies as a man, but Thomasson insisted on rejecting his trans identity."

Randy Thomasson is a veteran pro-family leader and President of SaveCalifornia.com, standing strong for moral virtues for the common good. He was speaking out against kids being able to use whatever bathroom they want in Calif. public schools in they think they are a different sex than the sex organs they have, which is more gay BS. So, of course gays would attack him. Gay activist and Governor Jerry Brown should be forced to spend billions building separate bathrooms for these freaks.
http://savecalifornia.com...

I am sorry, if some nut case woman (Ms Masen Davis) who takes lots of hormones to grow a beard and thinks she is a man is offended because someone calls her a lady, too bad; she is a lady despite the beard. I don't care if Miss Masen Davis, has had her vaginal opening sewn shut and a 12 inch human flesh dido that looks like a male penis sewn in to replace it; she is still nothing more that women with serious sexual identity problems. These people are not normal and should be pitied.

And, this nonsense in California that middle and high school kids should be able to decide what bathroom to use based on how they feel about their sex, boys who think they are girls and vice versa, has to be stopped.
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8/17/2013 3:10:13 PM
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I think that there is really no reason to respond to GWL-CPA...

Would anyone here be willing to take a pledge of non-interaction?

I'll be first.

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8/17/2013 3:16:38 PM
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At 8/17/2013 3:10:13 PM, YYW wrote:
I think that there is really no reason to respond to GWL-CPA...

Would anyone here be willing to take a pledge of non-interaction?

I'll be first.

1. YYW

Are you kidding? This is hilarious.