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8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.
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8/28/2013 4:54:07 PM
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At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty?

No.

If not, what would you recommend?

Life imprisonment w/out the possibility of parole.

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.
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8/28/2013 4:55:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:54:07 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty?

No.

If not, what would you recommend?

Life imprisonment w/out the possibility of parole.


So Osama bin Laden and Hitler should have gotten life w/o parole?
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8/28/2013 4:56:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Doesn't Nidal Hasan want the death penalty?
You'd give a terrorist what they wanted? You're on their side aren't you? You love the terrorists, get out of this country you murica hater.
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8/28/2013 4:56:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:55:21 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:54:07 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty?

No.

If not, what would you recommend?

Life imprisonment w/out the possibility of parole.


So Osama bin Laden and Hitler should have gotten life w/o parole?

They were never interrogated nor did they have any opportunity to be put on trial. That is a moot question.
"not to toot my own horn (it aint need no tooin if u know what im saying), but my writings on "viciousness: the one true viture (fancy spelling for virtue)" and my poem "A poem I wrote about DDO" put me in a class of my damn own. im just an UNRECONGIZED geniuse" -bananafana
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8/28/2013 4:57:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:56:47 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:55:21 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:54:07 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty?

No.

If not, what would you recommend?

Life imprisonment w/out the possibility of parole.


So Osama bin Laden and Hitler should have gotten life w/o parole?

They were never interrogated nor did they have any opportunity to be put on trial. That is a moot question.

True but if they were and found guilty...
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8/28/2013 4:58:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:55:21 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:54:07 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty?

No.

If not, what would you recommend?

Life imprisonment w/out the possibility of parole.


So Osama bin Laden and Hitler should have gotten life w/o parole?

Be honest a life in solitary confinement in prison would be worse than dying.
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8/28/2013 4:59:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:57:24 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:56:47 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:55:21 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:54:07 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty?

No.

If not, what would you recommend?

Life imprisonment w/out the possibility of parole.


So Osama bin Laden and Hitler should have gotten life w/o parole?

They were never interrogated nor did they have any opportunity to be put on trial. That is a moot question.

True but if they were and found guilty...

Still no.
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8/28/2013 4:59:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Also any time the death penalty is brought up I'm obligated to share the Onions take on the subject, which is less strictly Constitutional and more strictly badass.
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8/28/2013 5:01:18 PM
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Lol, this feels like a Libertarian orgy.
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8/28/2013 5:05:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

I mean, life imprisonment is far worse punishment han just ending it
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8/28/2013 5:09:33 PM
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Can we please get a Non-Libertarian to post here?
"not to toot my own horn (it aint need no tooin if u know what im saying), but my writings on "viciousness: the one true viture (fancy spelling for virtue)" and my poem "A poem I wrote about DDO" put me in a class of my damn own. im just an UNRECONGIZED geniuse" -bananafana
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8/28/2013 5:11:01 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:09:33 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
Can we please get a Non-Libertarian to post here?

Like one of those many Christian Conservatives against the death penalty?
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8/28/2013 5:14:54 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:11:01 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 8/28/2013 5:09:33 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
Can we please get a Non-Libertarian to post here?

Like one of those many Christian Conservatives against the death penalty?

No, just a Non-Libertarian. In other words, a heathen, a person who is conceded, closed-minded and has absolutely no respect for the well-being of the people, the Non-Aggression principle, the U.S. Constitution, or even a shred of respect for themselves. All Non-Libertarians need to GTFO, but I want one to post here, nevertheless.
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8/28/2013 5:19:13 PM
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Too much? No, of course not..... Disagree? GTFO....
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8/28/2013 5:25:50 PM
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At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

I support the death penalty only for incidences of treason, and none others. I'm not saying this is the absolutely right way to think about this, but it's how I think about it:

If we accept that the United States is a country founded on the rights of individuals, and that only from individuals consent can a state be legitimate, then we imply that the individual is prior to the state -such to say that the state cannot justifiably violate individual rights without a compelling reason. And yet, the state is necessary for order among individuals -and being necessary entails the state with certain responsibilities to maintain societal functioning. Treason in a democracy is bot only the betraying of the government of a country, but beyond that, it is an act of betrayal of the people of a country as a whole -such that not only is treason antagonistic to a state's functioning and maintaining social order, but it is also at the expense of the people governed by that state. No other crime has that impact -that is, no other crime is at once at the expense of both a state and its people, so I would argue for the death penalty in no other case because crimes against people or governments -however bad- are only against governments or people, and not against the rights those governments are instituted to protect.

Treson against the United Sense means that he who commits treason sees it fit to wage war against the values, ideals and principles set forward in our founding documents, the government which is purposed to protect those rights which stem from those principles, and the people who hold those rights in a single act. I can think of no act worse, more unforgivable among men in this world. So, while executing a traitor is very much a punitive act insomuch it is retribution for betraying a country, all of its parts and all of what it stands for -it is also an imminent and symbolic defense of all of those things that a traitor wars against. That is not to say, even, that all traitors should be executed every time -because the highest affirmation of strength is the capacity to show mercy (meaning, the ability to from a position of strength allow an enemy to live) -but execution must be possible for that to be the case in dealing with traitors.
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8/28/2013 5:35:04 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:25:50 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

I support the death penalty only for incidences of treason, and none others. I'm not saying this is the absolutely right way to think about this, but it's how I think about it:

If we accept that the United States is a country founded on the rights of individuals, and that only from individuals consent can a state be legitimate, then we imply that the individual is prior to the state -such to say that the state cannot justifiably violate individual rights without a compelling reason. And yet, the state is necessary for order among individuals -and being necessary entails the state with certain responsibilities to maintain societal functioning. Treason in a democracy is bot only the betraying of the government of a country, but beyond that, it is an act of betrayal of the people of a country as a whole -such that not only is treason antagonistic to a state's functioning and maintaining social order, but it is also at the expense of the people governed by that state. No other crime has that impact -that is, no other crime is at once at the expense of both a state and its people, so I would argue for the death penalty in no other case because crimes against people or governments -however bad- are only against governments or people, and not against the rights those governments are instituted to protect.

Treson against the United Sense means that he who commits treason sees it fit to wage war against the values, ideals and principles set forward in our founding documents, the government which is purposed to protect those rights which stem from those principles, and the people who hold those rights in a single act. I can think of no act worse, more unforgivable among men in this world. So, while executing a traitor is very much a punitive act insomuch it is retribution for betraying a country, all of its parts and all of what it stands for -it is also an imminent and symbolic defense of all of those things that a traitor wars against. That is not to say, even, that all traitors should be executed every time -because the highest affirmation of strength is the capacity to show mercy (meaning, the ability to from a position of strength allow an enemy to live) -but execution must be possible for that to be the case in dealing with traitors.

Oh my jesus,....please don't go into government. I'm begging you. Stay away.
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8/28/2013 5:39:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 5:35:04 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 8/28/2013 5:25:50 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

I support the death penalty only for incidences of treason, and none others. I'm not saying this is the absolutely right way to think about this, but it's how I think about it:

If we accept that the United States is a country founded on the rights of individuals, and that only from individuals consent can a state be legitimate, then we imply that the individual is prior to the state -such to say that the state cannot justifiably violate individual rights without a compelling reason. And yet, the state is necessary for order among individuals -and being necessary entails the state with certain responsibilities to maintain societal functioning. Treason in a democracy is bot only the betraying of the government of a country, but beyond that, it is an act of betrayal of the people of a country as a whole -such that not only is treason antagonistic to a state's functioning and maintaining social order, but it is also at the expense of the people governed by that state. No other crime has that impact -that is, no other crime is at once at the expense of both a state and its people, so I would argue for the death penalty in no other case because crimes against people or governments -however bad- are only against governments or people, and not against the rights those governments are instituted to protect.

Treson against the United Sense means that he who commits treason sees it fit to wage war against the values, ideals and principles set forward in our founding documents, the government which is purposed to protect those rights which stem from those principles, and the people who hold those rights in a single act. I can think of no act worse, more unforgivable among men in this world. So, while executing a traitor is very much a punitive act insomuch it is retribution for betraying a country, all of its parts and all of what it stands for -it is also an imminent and symbolic defense of all of those things that a traitor wars against. That is not to say, even, that all traitors should be executed every time -because the highest affirmation of strength is the capacity to show mercy (meaning, the ability to from a position of strength allow an enemy to live) -but execution must be possible for that to be the case in dealing with traitors.

: Oh my jesus,....please don't go into government. I'm begging you. Stay away.
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8/28/2013 5:39:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

Why is terrorism so bad to warrant the death penalty, but a serial rapist/torturer/killer is not?
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8/28/2013 5:40:18 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:39:47 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

Why is terrorism so bad to warrant the death penalty, but a serial rapist/torturer/killer is not?

I agree, they should get the death penalty.
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8/28/2013 5:40:47 PM
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lol... Why do either of you not want me in the government? Was there anything about my argument that surprised you?
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8/28/2013 5:44:38 PM
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At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

No, as it is pointlessly costly if we are to maintain rule of law objectively and equally. Moreover, the possibility for redemption and making these people productive members of society is still possible, no matter what they do, as it is the intention that we are trying to change (and it is undeniable that even those with the most radical opinions can become moral exemplars).
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8/28/2013 5:49:28 PM
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Funny enough, as far as my moral intuition is concerned, I find retribution immoral in every sense of the word - reciprocation of suffering for suffering's sake - the release of man's most ignoble emotion: wrath. If we do keep the death penalty let it serve the purposes of deterrence and the protection of the welfare of others.

To kill for treason - no matter what logical meanderings may allow you to equate the crime with mass murder - is barbaric.
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8/28/2013 5:54:21 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:49:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
To kill for treason - no matter what logical meanderings may allow you to equate the crime with mass murder - is barbaric.

I never equated treason to mass murder; nor would I support the death penalty for a mass murderer.
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8/28/2013 5:54:41 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:40:47 PM, YYW wrote:
lol... Why do either of you not want me in the government? Was there anything about my argument that surprised you?

The psychology behind your reasoning evinces a certain ruthlessness I find dangerous in offices of power. Moreover, you see no problem with retributive justice, which by now should be shunned for the barbaric method of retaliation that it is.
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8/28/2013 5:56:21 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:49:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
Funny enough, as far as my moral intuition is concerned, I find retribution immoral in every sense of the word - reciprocation of suffering for suffering's sake - the release of man's most ignoble emotion: wrath. If we do keep the death penalty let it serve the purposes of deterrence and the protection of the welfare of others.

To kill for treason - no matter what logical meanderings may allow you to equate the crime with mass murder - is barbaric.

ike, should a clearly one-shot criminal be set free, then?
Like, let's say an otherwise upstanding and law abiding citizen (not even a parking ticket) comes home and kills his wife and her lover, that he found in their bed.

Clearly, this person isn't going to commit a future crime, and definitely not the same kind (as opposed to a serial rapist), so, why punish him?
What is the point of locking him up?
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8/28/2013 5:56:30 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:54:21 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/28/2013 5:49:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
To kill for treason - no matter what logical meanderings may allow you to equate the crime with mass murder - is barbaric.

I never equated treason to mass murder; nor would I support the death penalty for a mass murderer.

So you're suggesting that treason is a higher crime than mass murder. Why?
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8/28/2013 5:56:49 PM
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At 8/28/2013 5:54:41 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 8/28/2013 5:40:47 PM, YYW wrote:
lol... Why do either of you not want me in the government? Was there anything about my argument that surprised you?

The psychology behind your reasoning evinces a certain ruthlessness I find dangerous in offices of power. Moreover, you see no problem with retributive justice, which by now should be shunned for the barbaric method of retaliation that it is.

The psychology behind my reasoning? Oh, this I must hear more about.

And on retributive justice, I spoke of retributive justice only for traitors -not retributive justice generally, as you seem to have indicated.
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8/28/2013 5:57:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 5:56:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 8/28/2013 5:54:21 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/28/2013 5:49:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
To kill for treason - no matter what logical meanderings may allow you to equate the crime with mass murder - is barbaric.

I never equated treason to mass murder; nor would I support the death penalty for a mass murderer.

So you're suggesting that treason is a higher crime than mass murder. Why?

I'm not saying it's a higher, lower or equal crime. I'm not comparing the two in any way. I'm saying, in fact, that treason and mass murder cannot be compared -or at least that would be an implication of my earlier post.
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8/28/2013 6:07:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/28/2013 4:47:55 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
I have a question to those against the death penalty. Do you believe that people who have committed terrorism like Tsarnaev, Nidal Hassan, etc. should receive the death penalty? If not, what would you recommend?

NOTE: I am generally against the death penalty, but do reserve it for severe cases such as these.

They'd make better slaves and science experiments. That would also give them a reasonable potential to be beneficial to the societies they mistreated for a longer period of time.
I've seen movies where they suggest that prisoners on death row fight to the death in some fashion and the last one standing goes free.
I'd much rather all of them be used as a "high risk deterrent" when it comes to humanities medical advancement and dangerous labor efforts. That would be much more beneficial than allowing them a quick death.