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12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM
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Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?
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12/18/2009 10:35:33 AM
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No, the public has a right to attempt to find out what she is-- which is a lesbian.

It does not have a right to be informed of such.
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12/18/2009 10:37:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
That is a rather conservative view of women in general, which may explain why this seems like such an alien posting to me.

Maddow is a lesbian, and while she isn't exactly "butch," she leans towards that style. Still female, with all the biological and social complexities therein. Not wearing skirts and not wanting to marry does not strip her of her gender.
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12/18/2009 10:39:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?

..... She's a butch lesbian, get over it. Why would her sexual orientation matter?

Anderson Cooper is a gay male and he's an excellent newsman.

This is a surprising comment coming from you, as your profile indicates that you're bisexual :)
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12/18/2009 10:40:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 10:39:27 AM, Vi_Veri wrote:
Anderson Cooper is a gay male and he's an excellent newsman.

Anderson Cooper is gay? I never knew that. Hm.
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12/18/2009 10:41:08 AM
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At 12/18/2009 10:39:27 AM, Vi_Veri wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?



..... She's a butch lesbian, get over it. Why would her sexual orientation matter?

Anderson Cooper is a gay male and he's an excellent newsman.

This is a surprising comment coming from you, as your profile indicates that you're bisexual :)

Delving into bestiality no less.
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12/18/2009 10:58:59 AM
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At 12/18/2009 10:39:27 AM, Vi_Veri wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?



..... She's a butch lesbian, get over it. Why would her sexual orientation matter?

Anderson Cooper is a gay male and he's an excellent newsman.

This is a surprising comment coming from you, as your profile indicates that you're bisexual :)

Where on my profile does it indicate bisexuality? I'll change it. I'm not bisexual.

I want to know about these media people so that I can better know their bias and agendas.
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12/18/2009 11:02:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 10:58:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Where on my profile does it indicate bisexuality? I'll change it. I'm not bisexual.

I want to know about these media people so that I can better know their bias and agendas.

"Interested in men and women" on you profile

Also you have a picture of you holding a dog in a sexual way as your profile pic
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12/18/2009 11:03:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 10:58:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
I want to know about these media people so that I can better know their bias and agendas.

How can someone sexuality affect their bias?
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12/18/2009 11:04:37 AM
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At 12/18/2009 11:03:50 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
How can someone sexuality affect their bias?

All lesbians are liberals by default. Did you not know this?
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12/18/2009 11:08:26 AM
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At 12/18/2009 11:04:37 AM, johngriswald wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:03:50 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
How can someone sexuality affect their bias?

All lesbians are liberals by default. Did you not know this?

See: Ann Coulter
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12/18/2009 11:11:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 11:02:34 AM, johngriswald wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:58:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Where on my profile does it indicate bisexuality? I'll change it. I'm not bisexual.

I want to know about these media people so that I can better know their bias and agendas.

"Interested in men and women" on you profile

Also you have a picture of you holding a dog in a sexual way as your profile pic

It amazes me that anyone would interpret the picture of me and my dog in a sexual manner. I'd better take it down.
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12/18/2009 11:13:18 AM
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At 12/18/2009 11:03:50 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:58:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
I want to know about these media people so that I can better know their bias and agendas.

How can someone sexuality affect their bias?

Panda, even I'm not PC enough to deny that someone's sexuality can definitely affect their personal bias on issues. Maddow's coverage of the Ugandan homosexuality bill isn't just because she's a lefty.
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12/18/2009 11:15:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 11:11:53 AM, dogparktom wrote:
It amazes me that anyone would interpret the picture of me and my dog in a sexual manner. I'd better take it down.

Was completely kidding with you bro :D. Don't take me seriously all of the time.
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12/18/2009 11:16:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?

I think you have an outdated and overly judgemental attitude to gender identity.
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12/18/2009 11:23:49 AM
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At 12/18/2009 11:16:57 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?

I think you have an outdated and overly judgemental attitude to gender identity.

Can't an old man express curiosity?
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12/18/2009 11:29:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 11:13:18 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:03:50 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:58:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
I want to know about these media people so that I can better know their bias and agendas.

How can someone sexuality affect their bias?

Panda, even I'm not PC enough to deny that someone's sexuality can definitely affect their personal bias on issues. Maddow's coverage of the Ugandan homosexuality bill isn't just because she's a lefty.

Obviously they'll push for pro-Homosexuality laws, yes, but it isn't stopping them being a conservative otherwise.
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12/18/2009 11:51:01 AM
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At 12/18/2009 11:29:36 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Obviously they'll push for pro-Homosexuality laws, yes, but it isn't stopping them being a conservative otherwise.

Well, pushing for homosexual rights is quite contrary to conservative doctrine, considering 'conservative' means preserving the status quo.

But you're right; however, ever heard of the homosexual agenda? Glenn Beck raves about it sometimes. It entails turning all of us gay, lowering the population, then killing of 'breeders.'
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12/18/2009 11:57:28 AM
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At 12/18/2009 11:51:01 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:29:36 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Obviously they'll push for pro-Homosexuality laws, yes, but it isn't stopping them being a conservative otherwise.

Well, pushing for homosexual rights is quite contrary to conservative doctrine, considering 'conservative' means preserving the status quo.

American conservative. A lot of conservatives hive lee way on certain issuers. One might just be Homosexual equality laws. Only in America is it considered an "in or out" thing.


But you're right; however, ever heard of the homosexual agenda? Glenn Beck raves about it sometimes. It entails turning all of us gay, lowering the population, then killing of 'breeders.'

Again, America.
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12/18/2009 12:04:20 PM
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At 12/18/2009 11:57:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
American conservative. A lot of conservatives hive lee way on certain issuers. One might just be Homosexual equality laws. Only in America is it considered an "in or out" thing.

Ironic wording given what we are talking about.

However, I don't know how much of that is true. Most 'American conservatives' tend to hold the view of anti-same-sex-marriage, and that tends to be about half of the population. Ones that can be considered "conservative" economically, but are supportive of same-sex marriage, are probably semi-libertarians and classical liberals. Neo-cons and paleoconservatives tend to be against, and you have to draw the line somewhere, aye.
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12/18/2009 12:09:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 11:23:49 AM, dogparktom wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:16:57 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?

I think you have an outdated and overly judgemental attitude to gender identity.

Can't an old man express curiosity?

Sorry, I was not trying to sound harsh. But the way you have worded your comments suggest quite a big generation gap.

I think I might agree with you, though I have very little interest in peoples sexuality some people do, and in a democracy maybe politicians should have to divulge it. But then people are stupid, why should a bisexual but faithful family man have to admit desires for men that he was no interest in following in the full knowledge that people will judge him for it.

Its a strange one.

PS: Bring back the dog picture!
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12/18/2009 12:17:22 PM
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At 12/18/2009 11:51:01 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:29:36 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Obviously they'll push for pro-Homosexuality laws, yes, but it isn't stopping them being a conservative otherwise.

Well, pushing for homosexual rights is quite contrary to conservative doctrine, considering 'conservative' means preserving the status quo.

But you're right; however, ever heard of the homosexual agenda? Glenn Beck raves about it sometimes. It entails turning all of us gay, lowering the population, then killing of 'breeders.'

I held no opinion on gay marriage. Then I read Darwinian Natural Right http://www.amazon.com...

As I read, I started thinking about the issue. At the conclusion of the book, I favored gay marriage. I thought that the author provided convincing evidence showing that, generally, ALL people have FUNDAMENTAL NEEDS to (1) be in indefinite relationships with another person, and (2) parent some children. THE AUTHOR IS A CONSERVATIVE!

No one can flourish if their fundamental needs are frustrated. Thus, I concluded that the principle of equality required gay marriage
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12/18/2009 12:20:51 PM
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At 12/18/2009 12:04:20 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:57:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
American conservative. A lot of conservatives hive lee way on certain issuers. One might just be Homosexual equality laws. Only in America is it considered an "in or out" thing.

Ironic wording given what we are talking about.

However, I don't know how much of that is true. Most 'American conservatives' tend to hold the view of anti-same-sex-marriage, and that tends to be about half of the population. Ones that can be considered "conservative" economically, but are supportive of same-sex marriage, are probably semi-libertarians and classical liberals. Neo-cons and paleoconservatives tend to be against, and you have to draw the line somewhere, aye.

It is possible to be a staunch Nazi conservative in favour of same sex marriage.
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12/18/2009 12:40:19 PM
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At 12/18/2009 12:20:51 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/18/2009 12:04:20 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:57:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
American conservative. A lot of conservatives hive lee way on certain issuers. One might just be Homosexual equality laws. Only in America is it considered an "in or out" thing.

Ironic wording given what we are talking about.

However, I don't know how much of that is true. Most 'American conservatives' tend to hold the view of anti-same-sex-marriage, and that tends to be about half of the population. Ones that can be considered "conservative" economically, but are supportive of same-sex marriage, are probably semi-libertarians and classical liberals. Neo-cons and paleoconservatives tend to be against, and you have to draw the line somewhere, aye.

It is possible to be a staunch Nazi conservative in favour of same sex marriage.

I strongly disagree! You use the term 'conservative' but you really mean and describe a 'reactionary'. http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Regarding conservatism, have you read any Burke, or Russell Kirk, or Michael Oakeshott, or Kenneth Minogue, or Roger Scruton, or Emerson? (Emerson's essay is on conservatism and liberalism as two constant and dynamic necessary principles in society)

The term 'Nazi conservative' is absurd to anyone who knows anything about the two concepts.
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12/18/2009 12:44:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?

Actually, on air, she wears makeup. And...she does want to marry, her partner of like 8 years. It's called being a butch lesbian. Welcome to the 21st century.
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12/18/2009 12:45:02 PM
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At 12/18/2009 12:40:19 PM, dogparktom wrote:
At 12/18/2009 12:20:51 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/18/2009 12:04:20 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:57:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
American conservative. A lot of conservatives hive lee way on certain issuers. One might just be Homosexual equality laws. Only in America is it considered an "in or out" thing.

Ironic wording given what we are talking about.

However, I don't know how much of that is true. Most 'American conservatives' tend to hold the view of anti-same-sex-marriage, and that tends to be about half of the population. Ones that can be considered "conservative" economically, but are supportive of same-sex marriage, are probably semi-libertarians and classical liberals. Neo-cons and paleoconservatives tend to be against, and you have to draw the line somewhere, aye.

It is possible to be a staunch Nazi conservative in favour of same sex marriage.

I strongly disagree! You use the term 'conservative' but you really mean and describe a 'reactionary'. http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Regarding conservatism, have you read any Burke, or Russell Kirk, or Michael Oakeshott, or Kenneth Minogue, or Roger Scruton, or Emerson? (Emerson's essay is on conservatism and liberalism as two constant and dynamic necessary principles in society)

The term 'Nazi conservative' is absurd to anyone who knows anything about the two concepts.

Here is Emerson's essay THE CONSERVATIVE. http://www.rwe.org...
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12/18/2009 12:48:07 PM
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At 12/18/2009 12:40:19 PM, dogparktom wrote:
At 12/18/2009 12:20:51 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/18/2009 12:04:20 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2009 11:57:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
American conservative. A lot of conservatives hive lee way on certain issuers. One might just be Homosexual equality laws. Only in America is it considered an "in or out" thing.

Ironic wording given what we are talking about.

However, I don't know how much of that is true. Most 'American conservatives' tend to hold the view of anti-same-sex-marriage, and that tends to be about half of the population. Ones that can be considered "conservative" economically, but are supportive of same-sex marriage, are probably semi-libertarians and classical liberals. Neo-cons and paleoconservatives tend to be against, and you have to draw the line somewhere, aye.

It is possible to be a staunch Nazi conservative in favour of same sex marriage.

I strongly disagree! You use the term 'conservative' but you really mean and describe a 'reactionary'. http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

No, I implied a 'reactionary' Nationalist Socialist (Social Conservative - Economic Authoritarian)


Regarding conservatism, have you read any Burke, or Russell Kirk, or Michael Oakeshott, or Kenneth Minogue, or Roger Scruton, or Emerson? (Emerson's essay is on conservatism and liberalism as two constant and dynamic necessary principles in society)

The term 'Nazi conservative' is absurd to anyone who knows anything about the two concepts.

Well, I was implying a strongly 'reactionary' Nationalist Socialist.
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12/18/2009 1:10:54 PM
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At 12/18/2009 12:44:53 PM, untitled_entity wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?

Actually, on air, she wears makeup. And...she does want to marry, her partner of like 8 years. It's called being a butch lesbian. Welcome to the 21st century.

So Maddow is a butch lesbian? http://en.wikipedia.org... I have learned something.
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12/18/2009 1:20:53 PM
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At 12/18/2009 1:10:54 PM, dogparktom wrote:
At 12/18/2009 12:44:53 PM, untitled_entity wrote:
At 12/18/2009 10:32:59 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Rachel Maddow -What is she?

Rachel Maddow is a left-wing political entertainer on MSNBC. http://up6.podbean.com...

The more I watch her, the more I think that she is more of a male than she is a female.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://i38.tinypic.com...

She wears the same clothing -slacks, t-shirt, jacket - every day. No makeup or jewellery. No skirts. A butch haircut. No breasts. She does not seem to have any of the typical feminine interests, including a maternal instinct and a desire to marry.

I contend that since she is a public figure who has the opportunity to persuade on the issues, the public has a right to know exactly WHAT SHE IS - MALE, FEMALE, OTHER?

What do you think?

Actually, on air, she wears makeup. And...she does want to marry, her partner of like 8 years. It's called being a butch lesbian. Welcome to the 21st century.

So Maddow is a butch lesbian? http://en.wikipedia.org... I have learned something.

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