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9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?
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9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?
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9/7/2013 10:26:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

I don't believe that many communists are exactly consequentalists.
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9/7/2013 10:32:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 10:26:43 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

I don't believe that many communists are exactly consequentalists.

The fact that they choose to erroneously believe that real world examples are trumped by theory is irrelevant. He wants a question answered, not dodging of the question.

@WSA- no, i really dont think there is
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9/7/2013 10:35:30 AM
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At 9/7/2013 10:32:29 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:26:43 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

I don't believe that many communists are exactly consequentalists.

The fact that they choose to erroneously believe that real world examples are trumped by theory is irrelevant. He wants a question answered, not dodging of the question.

@WSA- no, i really dont think there is

I'm not sure you know what anti-consequentialism is.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/7/2013 10:37:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

Whatevs. Different people will use different examples. Israeli Kibbutz, Spanish Catalonia, etc.

Since when are you a consequentialist?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/7/2013 10:41:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 10:37:10 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

Whatevs. Different people will use different examples. Israeli Kibbutz, Spanish Catalonia, etc.

Since when are you a consequentialist?

Are there any sites that give an objective analysis upon these examples you could refer me to? I'm definitely interested in reading about these
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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9/7/2013 10:44:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Whoops, had to check out what consequentialism is... well, now I feel foolish for misunderstanding that XD

My bad, I'll just sit back and listen now
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

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"No honey, he was the darkness"

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9/7/2013 10:45:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 10:41:52 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:37:10 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

Whatevs. Different people will use different examples. Israeli Kibbutz, Spanish Catalonia, etc.

Since when are you a consequentialist?

Are there any sites that give an objective analysis upon these examples you could refer me to? I'm definitely interested in reading about these

I don't know. Google it.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/7/2013 10:46:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 10:45:40 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:41:52 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:37:10 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

Whatevs. Different people will use different examples. Israeli Kibbutz, Spanish Catalonia, etc.

Since when are you a consequentialist?

Are there any sites that give an objective analysis upon these examples you could refer me to? I'm definitely interested in reading about these

I don't know. Google it.

Ok, ummm, books perhaps that I might be able to find at a local library?
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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9/7/2013 10:49:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 10:46:48 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:45:40 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:41:52 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:37:10 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

Whatevs. Different people will use different examples. Israeli Kibbutz, Spanish Catalonia, etc.

Since when are you a consequentialist?

Are there any sites that give an objective analysis upon these examples you could refer me to? I'm definitely interested in reading about these

I don't know. Google it.

Ok, ummm, books perhaps that I might be able to find at a local library?

I don't know any off the top of my head. Just stay clear of anything from the Mises Institute and you'll probs be fine.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/7/2013 10:51:30 AM
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At 9/7/2013 10:49:31 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:46:48 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:45:40 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:41:52 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:37:10 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

Whatevs. Different people will use different examples. Israeli Kibbutz, Spanish Catalonia, etc.

Since when are you a consequentialist?

Are there any sites that give an objective analysis upon these examples you could refer me to? I'm definitely interested in reading about these

I don't know. Google it.

Ok, ummm, books perhaps that I might be able to find at a local library?

I don't know any off the top of my head. Just stay clear of anything from the Mises Institute and you'll probs be fine.

Lol yeah, cant really expect an objective analysis on communism and its examples from reality from a conservative/libertarian think-tank ;)
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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9/7/2013 10:52:04 AM
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Is there any among you who believe, in theory, principle or practice, that communism is in any way an acceptable order to live under? Anyone? If so, I have a book for you to read.
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9/7/2013 10:53:24 AM
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At 9/7/2013 10:52:04 AM, YYW wrote:
Is there any among you who believe, in theory, principle or practice, that communism is in any way an acceptable order to live under? Anyone? If so, I have a book for you to read.

I dont, but I'm still interested in reading the book, what is it, and whom is the author (s)?
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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9/7/2013 10:53:50 AM
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At 9/7/2013 10:53:24 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:52:04 AM, YYW wrote:
Is there any among you who believe, in theory, principle or practice, that communism is in any way an acceptable order to live under? Anyone? If so, I have a book for you to read.

I dont, but I'm still interested in reading the book, what is it, and whom is the author (s)?

Gulag Archipelago.
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9/7/2013 10:53:54 AM
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At 9/7/2013 10:52:04 AM, YYW wrote:
Is there any among you who believe, in theory, principle or practice, that communism is in any way an acceptable order to live under? Anyone? If so, I have a book for you to read.

Depends on how you define communism.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/7/2013 10:54:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 10:53:54 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:52:04 AM, YYW wrote:
Is there any among you who believe, in theory, principle or practice, that communism is in any way an acceptable order to live under? Anyone? If so, I have a book for you to read.

Depends on how you define communism.

That of Marx and Lenin.
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9/7/2013 10:55:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 10:53:50 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:53:24 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:52:04 AM, YYW wrote:
Is there any among you who believe, in theory, principle or practice, that communism is in any way an acceptable order to live under? Anyone? If so, I have a book for you to read.

I dont, but I'm still interested in reading the book, what is it, and whom is the author (s)?

Gulag Archipelago.

Thanks :)
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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9/7/2013 10:58:50 AM
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At 9/7/2013 10:54:33 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:53:54 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:52:04 AM, YYW wrote:
Is there any among you who believe, in theory, principle or practice, that communism is in any way an acceptable order to live under? Anyone? If so, I have a book for you to read.

Depends on how you define communism.

That of Marx and Lenin.

Marxist-Leninists still exist?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/7/2013 11:03:23 AM
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At 9/7/2013 10:26:43 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

I don't believe that many communists are exactly consequentalists.

I contend that communists are the ultimate consequentialists. It is an economic system that literally sacrifices individual interest for overall, long-term gain. That is the essence of consequentialism, and the manifestation of several examples of communist regimes have evidenced that fact with policies and federal activities that belie a deontological concern for the nature of those activities and policies in and of themselves, and instead a consequentialist concern for the overall well being of the population over which they reside.
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9/7/2013 11:04:28 AM
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At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Supporting it in what way? Its viability as a means to maintain a stable nation?

Hello, China and Russia. They are literally the two biggest threats to the Western World.
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9/7/2013 11:08:25 AM
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At 9/7/2013 11:04:28 AM, Such wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Supporting it in what way? Its viability as a means to maintain a stable nation?

Hello, China and Russia. They are literally the two biggest threats to the Western World.

Those aren't communist countries.
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9/7/2013 11:12:19 AM
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At 9/7/2013 11:08:25 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:04:28 AM, Such wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Supporting it in what way? Its viability as a means to maintain a stable nation?

Hello, China and Russia. They are literally the two biggest threats to the Western World.

Those aren't communist countries.

China still claims to be, even though they're not; and the USSR was.
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9/7/2013 11:13:08 AM
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At 9/7/2013 11:03:23 AM, Such wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:26:43 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

I don't believe that many communists are exactly consequentalists.

I contend that communists are the ultimate consequentialists. It is an economic system that literally sacrifices individual interest for overall, long-term gain. That is the essence of consequentialism, and the manifestation of several examples of communist regimes have evidenced that fact with policies and federal activities that belie a deontological concern for the nature of those activities and policies in and of themselves, and instead a consequentialist concern for the overall well being of the population over which they reside.

This would, of course, imply that those are consequences that actually happen. If you look at overall well being of the populations, you'll find higher productivity and higher average standards of living in capitalist countries than communist countries.
Debate me: Economic decision theory should be adjusted to include higher-order preferences for non-normative purposes http://www.debate.org...

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9/7/2013 11:17:54 AM
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At 9/7/2013 11:12:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:08:25 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:04:28 AM, Such wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Supporting it in what way? Its viability as a means to maintain a stable nation?

Hello, China and Russia. They are literally the two biggest threats to the Western World.

Those aren't communist countries.

China still claims to be, even though they're not; and the USSR was.

Neither were. Communism is a form of anarchy with everybody being held equal. Both of them got stuck in the transitionary period where an overly strong government is necessary; the overly strong governments became addicted to their power, and they never made the full transitions into communism.
Debate me: Economic decision theory should be adjusted to include higher-order preferences for non-normative purposes http://www.debate.org...

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9/7/2013 11:19:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/7/2013 11:08:25 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:04:28 AM, Such wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Supporting it in what way? Its viability as a means to maintain a stable nation?

Hello, China and Russia. They are literally the two biggest threats to the Western World.

Those aren't communist countries.

China: http://www.britannica.com...
Russia is a shade of grey, I"ll admit. I'm not sure myself. They bounce back and forth: http://www.forbes.com...
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9/7/2013 11:21:34 AM
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At 9/7/2013 11:17:54 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:12:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:08:25 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:04:28 AM, Such wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Supporting it in what way? Its viability as a means to maintain a stable nation?

Hello, China and Russia. They are literally the two biggest threats to the Western World.

Those aren't communist countries.

China still claims to be, even though they're not; and the USSR was.

Neither were. Communism is a form of anarchy with everybody being held equal. Both of them got stuck in the transitionary period where an overly strong government is necessary; the overly strong governments became addicted to their power, and they never made the full transitions into communism.

Nono, we're talking actual communism, which is an economic model that ties into politics, not your conception of communism, which appears to be the lack of a political model that ties into economics.

What you described was much closer to a failed attempt at libertarianism.
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9/7/2013 11:25:25 AM
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Please stop trying to define communism proper. It makes my brain angry.
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9/7/2013 11:26:23 AM
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At 9/7/2013 11:13:08 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 11:03:23 AM, Such wrote:
At 9/7/2013 10:26:43 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/7/2013 4:49:56 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/6/2013 9:45:59 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/6/2013 8:00:53 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it?

Yer asking the wrong question.

I'm asking the question I want an answer to. Is there any principle of communism that has strong empirical evidence supporting it as a means to a good end?

I don't believe that many communists are exactly consequentalists.

I contend that communists are the ultimate consequentialists. It is an economic system that literally sacrifices individual interest for overall, long-term gain. That is the essence of consequentialism, and the manifestation of several examples of communist regimes have evidenced that fact with policies and federal activities that belie a deontological concern for the nature of those activities and policies in and of themselves, and instead a consequentialist concern for the overall well being of the population over which they reside.

This would, of course, imply that those are consequences that actually happen. If you look at overall well being of the populations, you'll find higher productivity and higher average standards of living in capitalist countries than communist countries.

That sounds conjectural. In any case, well being is relative. If there is a country that is struggling because it wasn't included in a global technological revolution, for example, and it adopts communism, which leads to significant improvement, then communism can be considered conducive to the overall well being of the population, even if that well being is not comparable to the well being of nations that participated in the revolution.