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Sitara
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9/8/2013 6:28:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
socialism? From my research so far, socialism appears to be the moderate point between communism and capitalism.
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9/8/2013 6:53:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 6:28:18 PM, Sitara wrote:
socialism? From my research so far, socialism appears to be the moderate point between communism and capitalism.

basically yeah most countries aren't socialist or haven't been socialist because they keep moving in the direction they were going whether it be capitalism or communism.
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9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/8/2013 7:19:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.

Is the term anarcho-communism not oxymoronic though?
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9/8/2013 7:20:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 7:19:10 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.

Is the term anarcho-communism not oxymoronic though?

Why would it be?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/8/2013 7:21:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 7:19:10 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.

Is the term anarcho-communism not oxymoronic though?

Communism is like fascism only in the sense that they are both hard to define.

So, whether it is oxymoron is up for debate.
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9/8/2013 7:55:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 7:20:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/8/2013 7:19:10 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.

Is the term anarcho-communism not oxymoronic though?

Why would it be?
Correct me if I am wrong but anarchy is the lack of government control, and communism is the opposite.
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9/8/2013 7:56:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 7:21:52 PM, Bullish wrote:
At 9/8/2013 7:19:10 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.

Is the term anarcho-communism not oxymoronic though?

Communism is like fascism only in the sense that they are both hard to define.

So, whether it is oxymoron is up for debate.
Fair enough. What is your view?
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9/8/2013 7:59:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 7:55:52 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/8/2013 7:20:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/8/2013 7:19:10 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.

Is the term anarcho-communism not oxymoronic though?

Why would it be?
Correct me if I am wrong but anarchy is the lack of government control, and communism is the opposite.

I think Kropotkin might disagree.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/8/2013 8:38:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
From what I've gathered in the largest communism group on facebook: Communism is the end result, the anarchic egalitarian communes; Socialism is the interim step, which involves massive socialist governments that combine to form a world government before dissolving and allowing for communism to take root. It's literally the most stupid idea humans have had since 10,000 BCE.

1: I want communism!
2: Okay, best way to do that is to form massive states that perpetuate themselves interminably.
1: That literally makes zero sense.
2: Revolution and sh!t.
1: Okay.
2: *food shortages kill millions* Oops. *propagandizes, uses threats*
1: You're a great leader!
2: The GREATEST!
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9/8/2013 8:42:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 8:38:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
From what I've gathered in the largest communism group on facebook: Communism is the end result, the anarchic egalitarian communes; Socialism is the interim step, which involves massive socialist governments that combine to form a world government before dissolving and allowing for communism to take root. It's literally the most stupid idea humans have had since 10,000 BCE.

1: I want communism!
2: Okay, best way to do that is to form massive states that perpetuate themselves interminably.
1: That literally makes zero sense.
2: Revolution and sh!t.
1: Okay.
2: *food shortages kill millions* Oops. *propagandizes, uses threats*
1: You're a great leader!
2: The GREATEST!

Do you understand the difference between Marxism-Leninism and Ancom? Because you pretty much just merely described the former.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/8/2013 9:47:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 9:14:10 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
http://www.diffen.com...

About 80% bulllshit

nuff said
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/8/2013 9:49:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 9:47:00 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/8/2013 9:14:10 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
http://www.diffen.com...

About 80% bulllshit

nuff said

like what?

The theories of the two are well put in here.
Now the pragmatic consequences though ...
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9/9/2013 9:42:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 9:49:53 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 9/8/2013 9:47:00 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 9/8/2013 9:14:10 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
http://www.diffen.com...

About 80% bulllshit

nuff said

like what?

The theories of the two are well put in here.

What are you basing that analysis on?

Now the pragmatic consequences though ...
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/9/2013 10:04:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 8:38:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
From what I've gathered in the largest communism group on facebook: Communism is the end result, the anarchic egalitarian communes; Socialism is the interim step, which involves massive socialist governments that combine to form a world government before dissolving and allowing for communism to take root. It's literally the most stupid idea humans have had since 10,000 BCE.

You're one to talk, oh anarcho-capitalist.
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9/9/2013 1:36:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 8:38:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
From what I've gathered in the largest communism group on facebook: Communism is the end result, the anarchic egalitarian communes; Socialism is the interim step, which involves massive socialist governments that combine to form a world government before dissolving and allowing for communism to take root. It's literally the most stupid idea humans have had since 10,000 BCE.

1: I want communism!
2: Okay, best way to do that is to form massive states that perpetuate themselves interminably.
1: That literally makes zero sense.
2: Revolution and sh!t.
1: Okay.
2: *food shortages kill millions* Oops. *propagandizes, uses threats*
1: You're a great leader!
2: The GREATEST!

I prefer democratic socialism enacted by a democratic majority vote.
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9/9/2013 2:08:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/8/2013 7:21:52 PM, Bullish wrote:
At 9/8/2013 7:19:10 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/8/2013 6:54:43 PM, Noumena wrote:
There's no single answer to that question given the variance of ways that the terms as used. The two terms have been used to describe so many contradictory ideologies (Ex. communism as anarchic egalitarianism vs. Statist totalitarianism) that its best not to waste time trying to find the 'correct' usage.

Is the term anarcho-communism not oxymoronic though?

Communism is like fascism only in the sense that they are both hard to define.

So, whether it is oxymoron is up for debate.

I'd state it is like fascism in that both are usually used in the pejorative sense, and so its actual meaning is more difficult to pin. However, generally the work has been done: try any political ideologies textbook. I reccommend wholeheartedly "Andrew Heywood Political Ideologies: An Introduction" as key.
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