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Freedomaniac
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12/22/2009 12:40:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 12:37:28 AM, Puck wrote:
I take your land and call you comrade. You can't shoot me now.

Why can't I shoot you?
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12/22/2009 1:04:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 12:40:42 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/22/2009 12:37:28 AM, Puck wrote:
I take your land and call you comrade. You can't shoot me now.

Why can't I shoot you?

Because he called you Comrade (He was joking).
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12/22/2009 2:08:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 12:16:59 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
How can there be socialism in an Anarchy?

Easy. Anarchism is based on collectivisation. Marx envisioned such a stateless society with collectivisation.
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12/22/2009 3:40:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 2:08:46 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 12/22/2009 12:16:59 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
How can there be socialism in an Anarchy?

Easy. Anarchism is based on collectivisation. Marx envisioned such a stateless society with collectivisation.

Collectivism only exists in Anarchism when everyone consents to it, which is very unlikely. I'm an Anarchist, but I hate collectivism.
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12/22/2009 4:02:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 3:40:15 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/22/2009 2:08:46 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 12/22/2009 12:16:59 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
How can there be socialism in an Anarchy?

Easy. Anarchism is based on collectivisation. Marx envisioned such a stateless society with collectivisation.

Collectivism only exists in Anarchism when everyone consents to it, which is very unlikely. I'm an Anarchist, but I hate collectivism.

No that's the thing, under anarchy you just assume that everyone will consents. I believe under Marxist-Leninist anarchism this is understanding is based on the fact you have just committed mass murder. In short anarchy is bull.
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12/22/2009 11:55:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 2:08:46 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 12/22/2009 12:16:59 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
How can there be socialism in an Anarchy?

Easy. Anarchism is based on collectivisation. Marx envisioned such a stateless society with collectivisation.

Not necessarily. There were plenty of individualist anarchists throughout history.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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12/22/2009 11:59:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 12:16:59 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
How can there be socialism in an Anarchy?

Anarcho-Communists are anarchists that believe that private property is illegitimate.
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12/22/2009 6:02:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 11:59:13 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/22/2009 12:16:59 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
How can there be socialism in an Anarchy?

Anarcho-Communists are anarchists that believe that private property is illegitimate.

Wouldn't it always end-up acting like it was legitimate anyway?
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12/22/2009 6:21:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 6:02:21 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
At 12/22/2009 11:59:13 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/22/2009 12:16:59 AM, Freedomaniac wrote:
How can there be socialism in an Anarchy?

Anarcho-Communists are anarchists that believe that private property is illegitimate.

Wouldn't it always end-up acting like it was legitimate anyway?

No. Property is the creation of the state.
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12/22/2009 6:26:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
They want to abolish private property and go into a stateless communism.

Not socialism, btw. They mean two separate things.
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12/22/2009 6:30:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Anarcho-Communism is also known as Libertarian Communism ;)
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12/22/2009 9:02:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/22/2009 6:30:42 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
Anarcho-Communism is also known as Libertarian Communism ;)

It's an extreme left-libertarianism.
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12/23/2009 10:10:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Essentially, Communist anarchism hopes to arise from people saying

"Wow, you know what I love collectivised farms and pooling resources fairly and everyoen being equal. I'm not goign to try and get ahead in society and instead stay equal with others!"

However, human nature means this is impossible on a large scale.
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12/23/2009 10:40:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/23/2009 10:10:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Essentially, Communist anarchism hopes to arise from people saying

"Wow, you know what I love collectivised farms and pooling resources fairly and everyoen being equal. I'm not goign to try and get ahead in society and instead stay equal with others!"

However, human nature means this is impossible on a large scale.

And, I have an argument with someone, we can't settle it ourselves, but magically we won't resort to violence and it will just settle itself.

For a political system to work it must surely try and address the basic needs of society.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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12/23/2009 10:50:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/23/2009 10:40:31 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:10:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Essentially, Communist anarchism hopes to arise from people saying

"Wow, you know what I love collectivised farms and pooling resources fairly and everyoen being equal. I'm not goign to try and get ahead in society and instead stay equal with others!"

However, human nature means this is impossible on a large scale.

And, I have an argument with someone, we can't settle it ourselves, but magically we won't resort to violence and it will just settle itself.

There won't be disputes - We're all Smurfs!


For a political system to work it must surely try and address the basic needs of society.

Communism does that. Does it work?
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12/23/2009 10:56:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/23/2009 10:50:19 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:40:31 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:10:28 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Essentially, Communist anarchism hopes to arise from people saying

"Wow, you know what I love collectivised farms and pooling resources fairly and everyoen being equal. I'm not goign to try and get ahead in society and instead stay equal with others!"

However, human nature means this is impossible on a large scale.

And, I have an argument with someone, we can't settle it ourselves, but magically we won't resort to violence and it will just settle itself.

There won't be disputes - We're all Smurfs!


Hmm... smurfism... I think it could work.


For a political system to work it must surely try and address the basic needs of society.

Communism does that. Does it work?

To an extent.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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12/23/2009 10:58:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/23/2009 10:56:51 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:50:19 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:40:31 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

For a political system to work it must surely try and address the basic needs of society.

Communism does that. Does it work?

To an extent.

Russia failed on it's path to Communism. Cuba is too crippled to have Communism. The closest nations get is Socialism.
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12/23/2009 11:00:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/23/2009 10:58:05 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:56:51 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:50:19 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/23/2009 10:40:31 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

For a political system to work it must surely try and address the basic needs of society.

Communism does that. Does it work?

To an extent.

Russia failed on it's path to Communism. Cuba is too crippled to have Communism. The closest nations get is Socialism.

Is this going to turn into a debate into what is and what is not true communism?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.