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GeoLaureate8
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10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Everyone has heard of the New World Order conspiracy and the Obama Communist takeover, but no one has heard of the Tea Party Conspiracy. The Tea Party Conspiracy has come into fruition in recent years, but has it's roots as far back as the 60s and is currently fighting against the establishment power structure of the Rockefeller/Rothschild/Soros globalists.

Outline of the Tea Party Conspiracy:

- The Tea Party is a bi-product of the Koch Brothers, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, and Conservative/Libertarian organizations as well as grassroots.

- The Koch Brothers are the rich billionaire sons of the John Birch Society, a right-wing Libertarian conspiracy theory group founded in 1958. Alex Jones endorses this group and indeed works parallel with them.

- List of Koch Brothers funded orgs: Americans for Prosperity, Heritage Foundation, FreedomWorks, CATO Institute, The Tea Party, and the Conservative Action Project.
Source:
'Who's Behind the Government Shutdown'
http://www.savethepostoffice.com...

- In 2009, John Birch Society regained it's alliance with the GOP and Conservatives by being a sponsor of CPAC '09 for the first time ever. JBS had previously been banished by William F. Buckley and the NeoCons from the Conservative movement for decades. 2 years after Buckley's death, John Birch Society re-emerges. http://en.wikipedia.org...

- Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010. Damn right, the Tea Party Conspiracy has out-maneuvered the Obama administration and Democrats and defied the expectations of the NeoCons and establishment who opposed the tactic. The Koch Brothers and Ted Cruz have proved them wrong.

'A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning'
http://www.nytimes.com...

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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10/10/2013 2:13:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Democrat Liberal analyzing and trembling over the strategy of Rand Paul/McConnell.

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10/10/2013 2:15:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've never heard of any of these conspiracies you're talking about...
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10/10/2013 5:32:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 2:15:40 AM, muzebreak wrote:
I've never heard of any of these conspiracies you're talking about...

Then they are doing an excellent job of keeping their secret hidden wouldn't ya say? :P
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10/10/2013 6:27:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is a self-parody, right?
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10/10/2013 6:37:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

This is such a complete misrepresentation of what the Tea Party is that it is laughable.

- Want to restore a Christian interpretation of the constitution.
- Wants to give more power to the state to allow for intrusions of its citizens privacy to protect itself.
- There is no question they are tactical and calculated, but they are also delusional, stubborn, and unmoving in their "faith".

You can't be a conspiracy when your leaders publicly state their mind, such as Michelle Bachmann stating that she believes the rapture will happen any moment now.
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10/10/2013 8:43:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 6:37:45 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

This is such a complete misrepresentation of what the Tea Party is that it is laughable.

- Want to restore a Christian interpretation of the constitution.
- Wants to give more power to the state to allow for intrusions of its citizens privacy to protect itself.
- There is no question they are tactical and calculated, but they are also delusional, stubborn, and unmoving in their "faith".

You can't be a conspiracy when your leaders publicly state their mind, such as Michelle Bachmann stating that she believes the rapture will happen any moment now.

You assume that's actually what she believes, and not a character she is playing.
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10/10/2013 10:09:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 8:43:15 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 10/10/2013 6:37:45 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

This is such a complete misrepresentation of what the Tea Party is that it is laughable.

- Want to restore a Christian interpretation of the constitution.
- Wants to give more power to the state to allow for intrusions of its citizens privacy to protect itself.
- There is no question they are tactical and calculated, but they are also delusional, stubborn, and unmoving in their "faith".

You can't be a conspiracy when your leaders publicly state their mind, such as Michelle Bachmann stating that she believes the rapture will happen any moment now.

You assume that's actually what she believes, and not a character she is playing.

If by she you are referring to Geo, then it is best to assume he believes it. He's been playing this character for as long as I've been here.

That being said, it's good to see you back Geo.
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10/10/2013 10:49:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 6:37:45 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

This is such a complete misrepresentation of what the Tea Party is that it is laughable.

- Want to restore a Christian interpretation of the constitution.

False. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Justin Amash, and Thomas Massie have never once suggested instituting Christianity into the law. Tea Party just wants to be allowed to say Merry Christmas. Liberals believe that there should be nothing religious allowed in public yet there's such a thing as freedom of religion.

You don't believe, then watch these petition signers try to ban citizens from expressing any religious affiliation in public. https://m.youtube.com...

Let's be clear here, Rick Santorum is not a Tea Party hero, he's not even a Republican favorite, yet he represents the religious social conservatism. The Tea Party does not embrace him because the focus is economics and freedom, Christianity takes a back seat to these priorities because Christianity represents their personal beliefs, not political agenda.

- Wants to give more power to the state to allow for intrusions of its citizens privacy to protect itself.

You made that up. To claim that about Ron Paul is just asinine.

- There is no question they are tactical and calculated, but they are also delusional, stubborn, and unmoving in their "faith".

Ted Cruz is a worldwide debate champion from Princeton and Harvard and began studying economics at age 13. Indeed he is firm in his convictions but he can also defend his convictions, he would destroy you in a debate.

You can't be a conspiracy when your leaders publicly state their mind, such as Michelle Bachmann stating that she believes the rapture will happen any moment now.

Bachmann is not leading the Tea Party.
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10/10/2013 12:43:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You claim that the Tea Party is dedicated to restoring the constitution, yet completely ignore the fact that the Supreme Court ruled the ACA constitutional. Must you be reminded that it is the Supreme Court whose job it is to interpret the constitution, not congress?
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10/10/2013 1:41:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Everyone has heard of the New World Order conspiracy and the Obama Communist takeover, but no one has heard of the Tea Party Conspiracy. The Tea Party Conspiracy has come into fruition in recent years, but has it's roots as far back as the 60s and is currently fighting against the establishment power structure of the Rockefeller/Rothschild/Soros globalists.

Outline of the Tea Party Conspiracy:

- The Tea Party is a bi-product of the Koch Brothers, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, and Conservative/Libertarian organizations as well as grassroots.

- The Koch Brothers are the rich billionaire sons of the John Birch Society, a right-wing Libertarian conspiracy theory group founded in 1958. Alex Jones endorses this group and indeed works parallel with them.

- List of Koch Brothers funded orgs: Americans for Prosperity, Heritage Foundation, FreedomWorks, CATO Institute, The Tea Party, and the Conservative Action Project.
Source:
'Who's Behind the Government Shutdown'
http://www.savethepostoffice.com...

- In 2009, John Birch Society regained it's alliance with the GOP and Conservatives by being a sponsor of CPAC '09 for the first time ever. JBS had previously been banished by William F. Buckley and the NeoCons from the Conservative movement for decades. 2 years after Buckley's death, John Birch Society re-emerges. http://en.wikipedia.org...

- Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010. Damn right, the Tea Party Conspiracy has out-maneuvered the Obama administration and Democrats and defied the expectations of the NeoCons and establishment who opposed the tactic. The Koch Brothers and Ted Cruz have proved them wrong.

'A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning'
http://www.nytimes.com...

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

Are you retarded Geo?
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10/10/2013 4:07:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 1:41:37 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Everyone has heard of the New World Order conspiracy and the Obama Communist takeover, but no one has heard of the Tea Party Conspiracy. The Tea Party Conspiracy has come into fruition in recent years, but has it's roots as far back as the 60s and is currently fighting against the establishment power structure of the Rockefeller/Rothschild/Soros globalists.

Outline of the Tea Party Conspiracy:

- The Tea Party is a bi-product of the Koch Brothers, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, and Conservative/Libertarian organizations as well as grassroots.

- The Koch Brothers are the rich billionaire sons of the John Birch Society, a right-wing Libertarian conspiracy theory group founded in 1958. Alex Jones endorses this group and indeed works parallel with them.

- List of Koch Brothers funded orgs: Americans for Prosperity, Heritage Foundation, FreedomWorks, CATO Institute, The Tea Party, and the Conservative Action Project.
Source:
'Who's Behind the Government Shutdown'
http://www.savethepostoffice.com...

- In 2009, John Birch Society regained it's alliance with the GOP and Conservatives by being a sponsor of CPAC '09 for the first time ever. JBS had previously been banished by William F. Buckley and the NeoCons from the Conservative movement for decades. 2 years after Buckley's death, John Birch Society re-emerges. http://en.wikipedia.org...

- Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010. Damn right, the Tea Party Conspiracy has out-maneuvered the Obama administration and Democrats and defied the expectations of the NeoCons and establishment who opposed the tactic. The Koch Brothers and Ted Cruz have proved them wrong.

'A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning'
http://www.nytimes.com...

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

Are you retarded Geo?
That is an insult to retards. Tisk, tisk. ;)
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10/10/2013 4:31:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Everyone has heard of the New World Order conspiracy and the Obama Communist takeover, but no one has heard of the Tea Party Conspiracy. The Tea Party Conspiracy has come into fruition in recent years, but has it's roots as far back as the 60s and is currently fighting against the establishment power structure of the Rockefeller/Rothschild/Soros globalists.

Outline of the Tea Party Conspiracy:

- The Tea Party is a bi-product of the Koch Brothers, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, and Conservative/Libertarian organizations as well as grassroots.

- The Koch Brothers are the rich billionaire sons of the John Birch Society, a right-wing Libertarian conspiracy theory group founded in 1958. Alex Jones endorses this group and indeed works parallel with them.

- List of Koch Brothers funded orgs: Americans for Prosperity, Heritage Foundation, FreedomWorks, CATO Institute, The Tea Party, and the Conservative Action Project.
Source:
'Who's Behind the Government Shutdown'
http://www.savethepostoffice.com...

- In 2009, John Birch Society regained it's alliance with the GOP and Conservatives by being a sponsor of CPAC '09 for the first time ever. JBS had previously been banished by William F. Buckley and the NeoCons from the Conservative movement for decades. 2 years after Buckley's death, John Birch Society re-emerges. http://en.wikipedia.org...

- Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010. Damn right, the Tea Party Conspiracy has out-maneuvered the Obama administration and Democrats and defied the expectations of the NeoCons and establishment who opposed the tactic. The Koch Brothers and Ted Cruz have proved them wrong.

'A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning'
http://www.nytimes.com...

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

So... you think that it is a grand conspiracy to say that the extremists on the Republican side have been planning to use the debt ceiling and government budget to derail healthcare?

I'm not sure it counts as a "conspiracy" when it's known to anyone who is even semi-literate about current affairs.
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10/10/2013 4:33:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 4:31:36 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Everyone has heard of the New World Order conspiracy and the Obama Communist takeover, but no one has heard of the Tea Party Conspiracy. The Tea Party Conspiracy has come into fruition in recent years, but has it's roots as far back as the 60s and is currently fighting against the establishment power structure of the Rockefeller/Rothschild/Soros globalists.

Outline of the Tea Party Conspiracy:

- The Tea Party is a bi-product of the Koch Brothers, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, and Conservative/Libertarian organizations as well as grassroots.

- The Koch Brothers are the rich billionaire sons of the John Birch Society, a right-wing Libertarian conspiracy theory group founded in 1958. Alex Jones endorses this group and indeed works parallel with them.

- List of Koch Brothers funded orgs: Americans for Prosperity, Heritage Foundation, FreedomWorks, CATO Institute, The Tea Party, and the Conservative Action Project.
Source:
'Who's Behind the Government Shutdown'
http://www.savethepostoffice.com...

- In 2009, John Birch Society regained it's alliance with the GOP and Conservatives by being a sponsor of CPAC '09 for the first time ever. JBS had previously been banished by William F. Buckley and the NeoCons from the Conservative movement for decades. 2 years after Buckley's death, John Birch Society re-emerges. http://en.wikipedia.org...

- Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010. Damn right, the Tea Party Conspiracy has out-maneuvered the Obama administration and Democrats and defied the expectations of the NeoCons and establishment who opposed the tactic. The Koch Brothers and Ted Cruz have proved them wrong.

'A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning'
http://www.nytimes.com...

What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

So... you think that it is a grand conspiracy to say that the extremists on the Republican side have been planning to use the debt ceiling and government budget to derail healthcare?

I'm not sure it counts as a "conspiracy" when it's known to anyone who is even semi-literate about current affairs.

The only people surprised by what the Tea Party is doing are naive Republicans and amnesia-ridden Democrats.
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10/10/2013 5:00:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 12:43:03 PM, drhead wrote:
You claim that the Tea Party is dedicated to restoring the constitution, yet completely ignore the fact that the Supreme Court ruled the ACA constitutional. Must you be reminded that it is the Supreme Court whose job it is to interpret the constitution, not congress?

The Supreme Court didn't say it's Constitutional. They said that the mandate and penalties are NOT Constitutional so instead they rewrote it and called it a tax, then declared it Constitutional. The fact is, it is a mandate, penalty, and a tax.

Being a proponent of the Constitution =/= supporting the black robes in the Supreme Court who assault the Constitution.
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10/10/2013 6:04:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 5:00:17 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

The Supreme Court didn't say it's Constitutional. They said that the mandate and penalties are NOT Constitutional so instead they rewrote it and called it a tax, then declared it Constitutional. The fact is, it is a mandate, penalty, and a tax.

That still f*cking makes it constitutional

Being a proponent of the Constitution =/= supporting the black robes in the Supreme Court who assault the Constitution.

Having a brain =/= having to use it either geo
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10/10/2013 7:37:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 5:00:17 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2013 12:43:03 PM, drhead wrote:
You claim that the Tea Party is dedicated to restoring the constitution, yet completely ignore the fact that the Supreme Court ruled the ACA constitutional. Must you be reminded that it is the Supreme Court whose job it is to interpret the constitution, not congress?

The Supreme Court didn't say it's Constitutional. They said that the mandate and penalties are NOT Constitutional so instead they rewrote it and called it a tax, then declared it Constitutional. The fact is, it is a mandate, penalty, and a tax.

Being a proponent of the Constitution =/= supporting the black robes in the Supreme Court who assault the Constitution.

It is now clear that you don't give two sh!ts about what the Constitution says, and are only interested in your ideology. As if that wasn't clear already.
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10/10/2013 9:11:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 7:37:50 PM, drhead wrote:
Being a proponent of the Constitution =/= supporting the black robes in the Supreme Court who assault the Constitution.

It is now clear that you don't give two sh!ts about what the Constitution says, and are only interested in your ideology. As if that wasn't clear already.

"The Constitution... meant that its coordinate branches should be checks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

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10/10/2013 10:33:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 9:11:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2013 7:37:50 PM, drhead wrote:
Being a proponent of the Constitution =/= supporting the black robes in the Supreme Court who assault the Constitution.

It is now clear that you don't give two sh!ts about what the Constitution says, and are only interested in your ideology. As if that wasn't clear already.

"The Constitution... meant that its coordinate branches should be checks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

-- Thomas Jefferson


You do realize that the vast majority of people at the constitutional convention supported judicial review being in the hands of federal courts, right? Jefferson wasn't the only one there.
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10/11/2013 12:16:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 10:49:16 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2013 6:37:45 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
What you are seeing is a radical infiltration of a criminally occupied government by a group committed to restoring the Constitution. People think the Tea Party is a bunch of loud-mouth fools when in reality, they are calculated, tactical, and fearless.

This is such a complete misrepresentation of what the Tea Party is that it is laughable.

- Want to restore a Christian interpretation of the constitution.

False. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Justin Amash, and Thomas Massie have never once suggested instituting Christianity into the law. Tea Party just wants to be allowed to say Merry Christmas. Liberals believe that there should be nothing religious allowed in public yet there's such a thing as freedom of religion.

You don't believe, then watch these petition signers try to ban citizens from expressing any religious affiliation in public. https://m.youtube.com...

Let's be clear here, Rick Santorum is not a Tea Party hero, he's not even a Republican favorite, yet he represents the religious social conservatism. The Tea Party does not embrace him because the focus is economics and freedom, Christianity takes a back seat to these priorities because Christianity represents their personal beliefs, not political agenda.

- Wants to give more power to the state to allow for intrusions of its citizens privacy to protect itself.

You made that up. To claim that about Ron Paul is just asinine.

- There is no question they are tactical and calculated, but they are also delusional, stubborn, and unmoving in their "faith".

Ted Cruz is a worldwide debate champion from Princeton and Harvard and began studying economics at age 13. Indeed he is firm in his convictions but he can also defend his convictions, he would destroy you in a debate.

You can't be a conspiracy when your leaders publicly state their mind, such as Michelle Bachmann stating that she believes the rapture will happen any moment now.

Bachmann is not leading the Tea Party.

You must be confusing the Tea Party with something else. Ron Paul is so far removed from the tea party it is not even funny.

The remainders of the people you mention are all social conservatives. The tea party is simply a social conservative group founded in a Christian base that has latched on to elements of the libertarian party by using rhetoric to limit government in fiscal matters but not in foreign or social matters.

It is impossible to reconcile being a social conservative and stating you want freedom in the same breath. Make no question, they are conservative Christians that is closer to a cult than anything else. Your comment about just wanting to wish people a marry christmas is a gross untruth. Here is how they want to regulate you or grow gov.

1. They want a federal amendment regulating marriage between a man and woman despite nothing in the original constitution that regulates it as such.
2. He is an extreme Israel supporter, which is more in tune with being a Christian and fulfilling prophecy rather than for practical reasons.
3. He admitted he would be supportive of a US military action to go in to Syria to locate and/or destroy chemical weapons if Obama approved it though congress.
4. What exactly is his stance on the NSA spying? Who knows, but since he has not come out against it that I know of, he seems to be very tolerant of the warrantless gathering all americans phone and internet data.

Make no question about it, these stances are not libertarian stances. He and his tea party is twisting talk of the old days with an agenda to build a imperialistic Christian oppressive state.
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10/11/2013 12:26:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Here are some quotes from Ted Cruz at the 2013 Christians United for Israel Annual Summit

"I commend everyone here for respecting the biblical admonition to stand with Israel,"

"...commitment to speak the truth in an era when so many believe they know better than eternal truths."

"The alliance between the United States and Israel must remain completely and entirely unshakeable."

Again, make no mistake the Tea Party movement is a Christian movement and while probably similar to believe of many of those who founded this nation, does not agree with the constitution. Last time I recall reading the constitution there was no section of requiring support for Israel because the bible says so.

At least Thomas Jefferson would be disgusted with this display of twisting the constitution to support conservative Christian beliefs.
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10/11/2013 1:21:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Straight from the Tea Party.
http://www.teaparty.org...

The Tea Party includes those who possess a strong belief in the foundational Judeo-Christian values embedded in our great founding documents.

The only problem is that those values were left out of the document and now they want to use the state to force them in.
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10/11/2013 1:39:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I had a hard time looking past Cruz's name and just saw you listed Justin Amash.

Justin Amash voted against the Defense of Marriage Act. He is more libertarian than tea party. The only reason he is even affiliated is that the tea party has that libertarian arm when it comes to fiscal matters. He however votes for personal liberty versus social conservative on the issues.

you can try all day classifying him as tea party, but he is not true to the core beliefs which is judeo-christian social conservatism.
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10/11/2013 2:41:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010.

So I take it this is a concession to your comment in the McConnell/Paul thread about this being the democrats shutdown?
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10/11/2013 6:26:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/11/2013 2:41:49 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010.

So I take it this is a concession to your comment in the McConnell/Paul thread about this being the democrats shutdown?

This is the Democrats shutdown. Just because Cruz predicted that their choice to delay Obamacare would prompt the Democrats to be stubborn and shutdown the government doesn't mean Cruz is responsible. The Democrats said no, my way or the highway, I don't care if the House has power of the purse, I refuse to pass all appropriations bills I don't like.
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10/11/2013 6:31:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/11/2013 1:21:44 PM, slo1 wrote:
Straight from the Tea Party.
http://www.teaparty.org...

The Tea Party includes those who possess a strong belief in the foundational Judeo-Christian values embedded in our great founding documents.

The only problem is that those values were left out of the document and now they want to use the state to force them in.

Name me one law that the Tea Party proposes that will impose theocracy. Zero. The Tea Party believes in religious freedom which is outlined in the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment. You are an idiot.

"To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
-- George Washington (The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343)

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
-- John Adams (On June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson)

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
-- John Hancock (History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229)
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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10/11/2013 10:54:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/11/2013 6:31:57 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/11/2013 1:21:44 PM, slo1 wrote:
Straight from the Tea Party.
http://www.teaparty.org...

The Tea Party includes those who possess a strong belief in the foundational Judeo-Christian values embedded in our great founding documents.

The only problem is that those values were left out of the document and now they want to use the state to force them in.

Name me one law that the Tea Party proposes that will impose theocracy. Zero. The Tea Party believes in religious freedom which is outlined in the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment. You are an idiot.

"To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
-- George Washington (The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343)

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
-- John Adams (On June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson)

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
-- John Hancock (History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229)

So you choose to ignore the proof I gave you that Cruz is supporting foreign policy that is directly related to an admonition directly from the Christian bible rather than the constitution?

I will forgive you as I would never expect someone in the cult to know they are in a cult.

Signed,

The idot
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10/11/2013 11:00:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Thomas Jefferson on George Washington: A Journal entry.

". . .when the clergy addressed General Washington, on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address as to force him at length to disclose publicly whether he was a Christian or not. However, he observed, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly, except that, which he passed over without notice."

( Thomas Jefferson, journal entry February 1, 1800, published in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Vol. I, p. 284; from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, New York: Prometheus Books, 1995, p. 39. )on, ed., New York: Library of America, 1984, pp. 1081-1082. )
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10/12/2013 2:44:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/11/2013 10:54:13 PM, slo1 wrote:
So you choose to ignore the proof I gave you that Cruz is supporting foreign policy that is directly related to an admonition directly from the Christian bible rather than the constitution?

He said he and those at the summit hold views to stand with Israel. In a separate quote, you quoted him saying that the alliance between the United States and Israel must be unshakable. It is possible for him to have a personal belief that supports Israel, plus a belief that with regards to foreign policy, Israel is a U.S. ally. You want to control his mind and say that he's only allowed to hold one belief or else he's a theocrat. Let me tell you, every foreign policy diplomat and every President including Obama has decided that Israel is a strong and necessary ally of the United States. That is not some radical position on Ted Cruz' behalf.

I will forgive you as I would never expect someone in the cult to know they are in a cult.

You also believe that the Founding Fathers were a cult I gather. Plus, your accusation is baseless. Have you seen me attend any cult meetings? Do you have proof that the Tea Party is a cult? Do you have proof that I'm even an official member?

The fact is I have a political philosophy just like everyone else, you have a political philosophy so why is mine a cult and yours is not?
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
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10/12/2013 2:48:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/11/2013 6:26:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/11/2013 2:41:49 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 10/10/2013 2:12:00 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here we are in this effort to defund Obamacare which has led to a government shutdown. The New York Times did a piece recently explaining the Ted Cruz and the Koch Brothers orchestrated this defund Obamacare tactic that would initiate a government shutdown. They noted that the public thought it came out of nowhere, but the reality is that it has been months in planning, and even perhaps since 2010.

So I take it this is a concession to your comment in the McConnell/Paul thread about this being the democrats shutdown?

This is the Democrats shutdown. Just because Cruz predicted that their choice to delay Obamacare would prompt the Democrats to be stubborn and shutdown the government doesn't mean Cruz is responsible. The Democrats said no, my way or the highway, I don't care if the House has power of the purse, I refuse to pass all appropriations bills I don't like.

Question; since it is the democrats shutting down the government for their own purposes, what are they trying to gain out of this?