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10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...
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10/17/2013 5:32:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

I understand your opinions here. Its all about control and power and destroying the middle class of America.
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10/17/2013 5:35:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:32:45 PM, inferno wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

I understand your opinions here. Its all about control and power and destroying the middle class of America.

The Big Guys try to kill us out while they gain. Congress can't get sh*t straight because they're all tryin' to appease their backers not 'We the People.' It just makes me sick.
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10/17/2013 5:39:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

Did you seriously cite a satirical blog post?
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10/17/2013 5:39:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

Buwah?

I only looked at one of the claims you make in this little screed...You realize that the last is a satire site, right?

Are you just trolling?

http://www.factcheck.org...
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10/17/2013 5:40:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:39:35 PM, drhead wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

Did you seriously cite a satirical blog post?

I have more proof from the video if you actually watch it.
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10/17/2013 5:41:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:39:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

Buwah?

I only looked at one of the claims you make in this little screed...You realize that the last is a satire site, right?

Are you just trolling?

http://www.factcheck.org...

No I'm being dead serious.
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10/17/2013 5:48:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:41:34 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:39:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

Buwah?

I only looked at one of the claims you make in this little screed...You realize that the last is a satire site, right?

Are you just trolling?

http://www.factcheck.org...

No I'm being dead serious.

Except (again, looking only at the last) you are dead wrong.
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10/17/2013 5:51:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:48:32 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:41:34 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:39:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

Buwah?

I only looked at one of the claims you make in this little screed...You realize that the last is a satire site, right?

Are you just trolling?

http://www.factcheck.org...

No I'm being dead serious.

Except (again, looking only at the last) you are dead wrong.

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"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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10/17/2013 5:59:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:51:49 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

http://swordattheready.wordpress.com...
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com...
http://www.wnd.com...

Well, 1, none of those show any evidence of "outlawing Christianity" whatsoever. Nor have you any evidence that Christians are having their guns taken away.

Your second and third links contain information I have already refuted with my first link. The Pentagon is not going to court-martial anyone for "sharing" their faith. They might court-martial someone for harassing someone over religion. And they should--just because Christians are a majority doesn't give them any special rights to harass people.
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10/17/2013 6:04:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 5:59:51 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:51:49 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

http://swordattheready.wordpress.com...
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com...
http://www.wnd.com...

Well, 1, none of those show any evidence of "outlawing Christianity" whatsoever. Nor have you any evidence that Christians are having their guns taken away.

Your second and third links contain information I have already refuted with my first link. The Pentagon is not going to court-martial anyone for "sharing" their faith. They might court-martial someone for harassing someone over religion. And they should--just because Christians are a majority doesn't give them any special rights to harass people.

No just because there are Congressmen and women trying to enforce atheism across America and they have to punish Christians.
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10/17/2013 6:07:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:04:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:59:51 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:51:49 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

http://swordattheready.wordpress.com...
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com...
http://www.wnd.com...

Well, 1, none of those show any evidence of "outlawing Christianity" whatsoever. Nor have you any evidence that Christians are having their guns taken away.

Your second and third links contain information I have already refuted with my first link. The Pentagon is not going to court-martial anyone for "sharing" their faith. They might court-martial someone for harassing someone over religion. And they should--just because Christians are a majority doesn't give them any special rights to harass people.

No just because there are Congressmen and women trying to enforce atheism across America and they have to punish Christians.

Nope. Nobody is being singled out. One of the problems of being the majority is that you also have the highest numbers of wrongdoers so, yes, in general your group will be the one with, numerically, the highest numbers of problems.

But your claim that anyone's trying to "enforce atheism" is just flatly stupid. You have no evidence for it other than completely unreliable websites which spout unfounded accusations. Whenever anyone actually looks at the accusations, they are untrue, but you parrot them again as though simply asserting something makes it so. It doesn't.

Do you have a shred of actual real evidence supporting that claim? Because the vast majority of congresspeople are Christian--they aren't enforcing atheism in the slightest.
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10/17/2013 6:14:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:07:41 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:04:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:59:51 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:51:49 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

http://swordattheready.wordpress.com...
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com...
http://www.wnd.com...

Well, 1, none of those show any evidence of "outlawing Christianity" whatsoever. Nor have you any evidence that Christians are having their guns taken away.

Your second and third links contain information I have already refuted with my first link. The Pentagon is not going to court-martial anyone for "sharing" their faith. They might court-martial someone for harassing someone over religion. And they should--just because Christians are a majority doesn't give them any special rights to harass people.

No just because there are Congressmen and women trying to enforce atheism across America and they have to punish Christians.

Nope. Nobody is being singled out. One of the problems of being the majority is that you also have the highest numbers of wrongdoers so, yes, in general your group will be the one with, numerically, the highest numbers of problems.

But your claim that anyone's trying to "enforce atheism" is just flatly stupid. You have no evidence for it other than completely unreliable websites which spout unfounded accusations. Whenever anyone actually looks at the accusations, they are untrue, but you parrot them again as though simply asserting something makes it so. It doesn't.

Do you have a shred of actual real evidence supporting that claim? Because the vast majority of congresspeople are Christian--they aren't enforcing atheism in the slightest.

But this is what democracy really is, it's mob rule, so your statement is contradictory. Utlitarianism has always been a bad policy that many Arabs have used to justify Sheria Law and it shows just how unjust they are.
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10/17/2013 6:22:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:14:06 PM, lannan13 wrote:

But this is what democracy really is, it's mob rule, so your statement is contradictory. Utlitarianism has always been a bad policy that many Arabs have used to justify Sheria Law and it shows just how unjust they are.

Go home, lannan, you're drunk.

Seriously, though: I didn't reference democracy. Or Utilitarianism--I'm not a utilitarian.

And, more precisely we're a Constitutional Republic. The "Constitutional" part is supposed to protect against the excesses of "mob rule". What you're saying is, if you're rejecting that, is "If Christianity ever became a minority religion, it would be okay to oppress us, because, well, majority rules!" Obviously, I don't think you'd like that much. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you'd be totally okay with yourself being oppressed because you aren't in the privileged majority any more. After all, most US Christians are Protestant, so it's totally okay to oppress Catholics, right? (speaking of which, there was a point in time when being a Catholic was considered to reduce your chances of getting into office...JFK had to deal with that).
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10/17/2013 6:25:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:22:03 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:14:06 PM, lannan13 wrote:

But this is what democracy really is, it's mob rule, so your statement is contradictory. Utlitarianism has always been a bad policy that many Arabs have used to justify Sheria Law and it shows just how unjust they are.

Go home, lannan, you're drunk.

Seriously, though: I didn't reference democracy. Or Utilitarianism--I'm not a utilitarian.

And, more precisely we're a Constitutional Republic. The "Constitutional" part is supposed to protect against the excesses of "mob rule". What you're saying is, if you're rejecting that, is "If Christianity ever became a minority religion, it would be okay to oppress us, because, well, majority rules!" Obviously, I don't think you'd like that much. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you'd be totally okay with yourself being oppressed because you aren't in the privileged majority any more. After all, most US Christians are Protestant, so it's totally okay to oppress Catholics, right? (speaking of which, there was a point in time when being a Catholic was considered to reduce your chances of getting into office...JFK had to deal with that).

That's a thing here with America is that they say that we're free but back then, us Irish were the equivialance of the African-Americans. We just suffered wage slavery in both the north and south. I know we're suppose to protect against mob rule but right now America is being ruled by a few corrupt government officals who do nothing in office.
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10/17/2013 6:36:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:04:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
No just because there are Congressmen and women trying to enforce atheism across America and they have to punish Christians.

Do you believe you have the right to harrass someone?
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10/17/2013 6:45:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:25:38 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:22:03 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:14:06 PM, lannan13 wrote:

But this is what democracy really is, it's mob rule, so your statement is contradictory. Utlitarianism has always been a bad policy that many Arabs have used to justify Sheria Law and it shows just how unjust they are.

Go home, lannan, you're drunk.

Seriously, though: I didn't reference democracy. Or Utilitarianism--I'm not a utilitarian.

And, more precisely we're a Constitutional Republic. The "Constitutional" part is supposed to protect against the excesses of "mob rule". What you're saying is, if you're rejecting that, is "If Christianity ever became a minority religion, it would be okay to oppress us, because, well, majority rules!" Obviously, I don't think you'd like that much. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you'd be totally okay with yourself being oppressed because you aren't in the privileged majority any more. After all, most US Christians are Protestant, so it's totally okay to oppress Catholics, right? (speaking of which, there was a point in time when being a Catholic was considered to reduce your chances of getting into office...JFK had to deal with that).

That's a thing here with America is that they say that we're free but back then, us Irish were the equivialance of the African-Americans. We just suffered wage slavery in both the north and south.

Back then WHEN? Why are we talking pre-WWI all of a sudden? And: No. Wage slavery is still not the same as full-on slavery. Don't get me wrong, the irish have had problems--I'm irish myself, btw--but they don't directly compare at all.

I know we're suppose to protect against mob rule but right now America is being ruled by a few corrupt government officals who do nothing in office.

I don't think you get to flip so fast from "they're doing these things" (when they aren't) to "they do nothing in office".

In all seriousness, you're all over the place here.
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10/18/2013 3:53:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:45:32 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:25:38 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:22:03 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:14:06 PM, lannan13 wrote:

But this is what democracy really is, it's mob rule, so your statement is contradictory. Utlitarianism has always been a bad policy that many Arabs have used to justify Sheria Law and it shows just how unjust they are.

Go home, lannan, you're drunk.

Seriously, though: I didn't reference democracy. Or Utilitarianism--I'm not a utilitarian.

And, more precisely we're a Constitutional Republic. The "Constitutional" part is supposed to protect against the excesses of "mob rule". What you're saying is, if you're rejecting that, is "If Christianity ever became a minority religion, it would be okay to oppress us, because, well, majority rules!" Obviously, I don't think you'd like that much. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you'd be totally okay with yourself being oppressed because you aren't in the privileged majority any more. After all, most US Christians are Protestant, so it's totally okay to oppress Catholics, right? (speaking of which, there was a point in time when being a Catholic was considered to reduce your chances of getting into office...JFK had to deal with that).

That's a thing here with America is that they say that we're free but back then, us Irish were the equivialance of the African-Americans. We just suffered wage slavery in both the north and south.

Back then WHEN? Why are we talking pre-WWI all of a sudden? And: No. Wage slavery is still not the same as full-on slavery. Don't get me wrong, the irish have had problems--I'm irish myself, btw--but they don't directly compare at all.

Sure they do compare, in wage slavery, the worker is disposable and no one cares for them . In the slavocracy of the south, they cared about their slaves, they fed them, clothed them and there was paternalism. There was no of this in wage slavery.

I know we're suppose to protect against mob rule but right now America is being ruled by a few corrupt government officals who do nothing in office.

I don't think you get to flip so fast from "they're doing these things" (when they aren't) to "they do nothing in office".

In all seriousness, you're all over the place here.
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10/18/2013 3:54:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:36:58 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:04:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
No just because there are Congressmen and women trying to enforce atheism across America and they have to punish Christians.

Do you believe you have the right to harrass someone?

No, that's what I'm trying to warn against here.
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10/18/2013 4:00:28 PM
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At 10/18/2013 3:53:07 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Back then WHEN? Why are we talking pre-WWI all of a sudden? And: No. Wage slavery is still not the same as full-on slavery. Don't get me wrong, the irish have had problems--I'm irish myself, btw--but they don't directly compare at all.

Sure they do compare, in wage slavery, the worker is disposable and no one cares for them . In the slavocracy of the south, they cared about their slaves, they fed them, clothed them and there was paternalism. There was no of this in wage slavery.

And wage slaves have no protection against assault? No ability to leave their farm? They can be bought and sold as property? They can't vote?

Look, there are comparisons that can be made. But don't pretend they're equivalent.
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10/18/2013 4:02:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/18/2013 3:54:15 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:36:58 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:04:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
No just because there are Congressmen and women trying to enforce atheism across America and they have to punish Christians.

Do you believe you have the right to harrass someone?

No, that's what I'm trying to warn against here.

Except what's happening is that people are being prohibited from being harrassING, and you're complaining about that--which means, you'd be defending their ability to harrass, unless you can provide any evidence of harrassMENT, which, thus far, you haven't at all.

"I'm not allowed to harrass" is not the same as "I'm being harassed". It's similar to how being PERsecuted is utterly different from being PROsecuted.
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10/18/2013 4:04:41 PM
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At 10/18/2013 4:00:28 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/18/2013 3:53:07 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Back then WHEN? Why are we talking pre-WWI all of a sudden? And: No. Wage slavery is still not the same as full-on slavery. Don't get me wrong, the irish have had problems--I'm irish myself, btw--but they don't directly compare at all.

Sure they do compare, in wage slavery, the worker is disposable and no one cares for them . In the slavocracy of the south, they cared about their slaves, they fed them, clothed them and there was paternalism. There was no of this in wage slavery.

And wage slaves have no protection against assault? No ability to leave their farm? They can be bought and sold as property? They can't vote?

Look, there are comparisons that can be made. But don't pretend they're equivalent.

It's in the fact that the slavemasters cared for the slaves while the factory owners didn't care about the workers. In the north the Irish were repressed the right to vote just look at Boss Tweed's New York.
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10/18/2013 4:09:56 PM
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At 10/18/2013 4:04:41 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/18/2013 4:00:28 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/18/2013 3:53:07 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Back then WHEN? Why are we talking pre-WWI all of a sudden? And: No. Wage slavery is still not the same as full-on slavery. Don't get me wrong, the irish have had problems--I'm irish myself, btw--but they don't directly compare at all.

Sure they do compare, in wage slavery, the worker is disposable and no one cares for them . In the slavocracy of the south, they cared about their slaves, they fed them, clothed them and there was paternalism. There was no of this in wage slavery.

And wage slaves have no protection against assault? No ability to leave their farm? They can be bought and sold as property? They can't vote?

Look, there are comparisons that can be made. But don't pretend they're equivalent.

It's in the fact that the slavemasters cared for the slaves while the factory owners didn't care about the workers. In the north the Irish were repressed the right to vote just look at Boss Tweed's New York.

But they ostensibly had the right, yes? As opposed to being 3/5s a person, with no right to vote at all? Were they prohibited from having religious gatherings, as slaves were in some places? Was it illegal to teach an irishman to read? Was it legal to rape the irish? Were they unable to escape their circumstances because they were property?

Slave owners "cared" for their slaves in the sense that, as their property, many of them didn't want to necessarily damage it unduly.
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10/18/2013 4:14:40 PM
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At 10/18/2013 4:09:56 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/18/2013 4:04:41 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/18/2013 4:00:28 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/18/2013 3:53:07 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Back then WHEN? Why are we talking pre-WWI all of a sudden? And: No. Wage slavery is still not the same as full-on slavery. Don't get me wrong, the irish have had problems--I'm irish myself, btw--but they don't directly compare at all.

Sure they do compare, in wage slavery, the worker is disposable and no one cares for them . In the slavocracy of the south, they cared about their slaves, they fed them, clothed them and there was paternalism. There was no of this in wage slavery.

And wage slaves have no protection against assault? No ability to leave their farm? They can be bought and sold as property? They can't vote?

Look, there are comparisons that can be made. But don't pretend they're equivalent.

It's in the fact that the slavemasters cared for the slaves while the factory owners didn't care about the workers. In the north the Irish were repressed the right to vote just look at Boss Tweed's New York.

But they ostensibly had the right, yes?
It was a right that was oppressed.
As opposed to being 3/5s a person, with no right to vote at all? Were they prohibited from having religious gatherings, as slaves were in some places?
You forget the southern evalgalance who went and taught them religon.
Was it illegal to teach an irishman to read? Was it legal to rape the irish? Were they unable to escape their circumstances because they were property?

Slave owners "cared" for their slaves in the sense that, as their property, many of them didn't want to necessarily damage it unduly.
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10/18/2013 4:18:19 PM
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At 10/18/2013 4:14:40 PM, lannan13 wrote:

It's in the fact that the slavemasters cared for the slaves while the factory owners didn't care about the workers. In the north the Irish were repressed the right to vote just look at Boss Tweed's New York.

But they ostensibly had the right, yes?
It was a right that was oppressed.

And that happens--and it's bad. But it isn't anywhere near as bad as when they don't have the right at all, now, is it? Since then you have to argue whether you do have the right in the first place, and THEN go through the Jim Crow period (which is more directly analogous to the "wage slavery" you're talking about--because everything you're mentioning happened during THAT period).

As opposed to being 3/5s a person, with no right to vote at all? Were they prohibited from having religious gatherings, as slaves were in some places?
You forget the southern evalgalance who went and taught them religon.

No, I didn't. After the Nat Turner uprising, many slaves weren't allowed to have gatherings out of fears it would brew problems--well after "southern evalgalance" [sic].

You also ignored all the other points I raised, too.
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10/21/2013 5:58:26 PM
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At 10/18/2013 4:18:19 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/18/2013 4:14:40 PM, lannan13 wrote:

It's in the fact that the slavemasters cared for the slaves while the factory owners didn't care about the workers. In the north the Irish were repressed the right to vote just look at Boss Tweed's New York.

But they ostensibly had the right, yes?
It was a right that was oppressed.

And that happens--and it's bad. But it isn't anywhere near as bad as when they don't have the right at all, now, is it? Since then you have to argue whether you do have the right in the first place, and THEN go through the Jim Crow period (which is more directly analogous to the "wage slavery" you're talking about--because everything you're mentioning happened during THAT period).

As opposed to being 3/5s a person, with no right to vote at all? Were they prohibited from having religious gatherings, as slaves were in some places?
You forget the southern evalgalance who went and taught them religon.

No, I didn't. After the Nat Turner uprising, many slaves weren't allowed to have gatherings out of fears it would brew problems--well after "southern evalgalance" [sic].

You also ignored all the other points I raised, too.

You are still forgetting that the instinct to teach slaves religon so they can be good severants as it states in the Bible which slave owners used to justify slavery.
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10/21/2013 8:21:24 PM
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At 10/21/2013 5:58:26 PM, lannan13 wrote:

You are still forgetting that the instinct to teach slaves religon so they can be good severants as it states in the Bible which slave owners used to justify slavery.

No I'm not. That's an entirely different point, and certainly doesn't help your case to make the "wage-slavery" of the Irish equivalent to the actual slavery of black people--it's not as though the slaves had much freedom of religion, no? And again, my original point was about religious GATHERINGS. Which were prohibited. I didn't say "weren't allowed to have any religion at all".
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10/21/2013 11:03:35 PM
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At 10/17/2013 5:28:30 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In todays world I have seen the US federal government be destroyed and our civil rights be taken away by Republicans. They have violated several of our civil rights. A few years ago the Republicans led by McCain passed a bill bringing the War on Terror to the US. It suspends our right to a trial by jurry, speedy trial, and we can get locked up in jail for years if the governmnet doesn't like us, because of this bill. http://napavalleyregister.com... With the Patriot act they restricted our freedom of speech another Constitutional violation.

But this doesn't leave the Democratic violations out.
The Democrats have resticted freedom of assembly and they ended up posting Martial Law on Boston, though it was justified many people living in Boston have stated that they were "praticing for something big."
Obama also violates our security today worse than the Patriot Act by survaling us through the use of drones on our homeland and we recieve the very unconforts of the Middle Easterners. http://triblive.com...

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

Took you that long?
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10/22/2013 11:04:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/17/2013 6:14:06 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:07:41 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 6:04:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:59:51 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 10/17/2013 5:51:49 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Obama and the Pentagon has violated the freedom of Relgion is outlawing Christianity for America and many Christians are getting there guns taken away from the military as they are labled as extremists. http://www.freerepublic.com...

http://swordattheready.wordpress.com...
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com...
http://www.wnd.com...

Well, 1, none of those show any evidence of "outlawing Christianity" whatsoever. Nor have you any evidence that Christians are having their guns taken away.

Your second and third links contain information I have already refuted with my first link. The Pentagon is not going to court-martial anyone for "sharing" their faith. They might court-martial someone for harassing someone over religion. And they should--just because Christians are a majority doesn't give them any special rights to harass people.

No just because there are Congressmen and women trying to enforce atheism across America and they have to punish Christians.

Nope. Nobody is being singled out. One of the problems of being the majority is that you also have the highest numbers of wrongdoers so, yes, in general your group will be the one with, numerically, the highest numbers of problems.

But your claim that anyone's trying to "enforce atheism" is just flatly stupid. You have no evidence for it other than completely unreliable websites which spout unfounded accusations. Whenever anyone actually looks at the accusations, they are untrue, but you parrot them again as though simply asserting something makes it so. It doesn't.

Do you have a shred of actual real evidence supporting that claim? Because the vast majority of congresspeople are Christian--they aren't enforcing atheism in the slightest.

But this is what democracy really is, it's mob rule, so your statement is contradictory. Utlitarianism has always been a bad policy that many Arabs have used to justify Sheria Law and it shows just how unjust they are.

I am a utilitarian, and I would just love to hear how Arabic countries are using freaking utilitarianism to justify Sharia law.