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Libertarians Do Too Have Morals (+Reason)

Wallstreetatheist
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10/28/2013 1:50:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Just Different (Better) Ones From Those of Liberals and Conservatives

On moral values:
Libertarians match liberals in placing a relatively low value on the moral foundations of loyalty, authority, and sanctity (e.g., they"re not so concerned about sexual issues and flag burning), but they join conservatives in scoring lower than liberals on the care and fairness foundations (where fairness is mostly equality, not proportionality; e.g., they don"t want a welfare state and heavy handed measures to enforce equality). This is why libertarians can"t be placed on the spectrum from left to right: they have a unique pattern that is in no sense just somewhere in the middle. They really do put liberty above all other values.

On reasoning and emotions:
"Libertarians have the most "masculine" style, liberals the most "feminine." We used Simon Baron-Cohen"s measures of "empathizing" (on which women tend to score higher) and "systemizing", which refers to "the drive to analyze the variables in a system, and to derive the underlying rules that govern the behavior of the system." Men tend to score higher on this variable. Libertarians score the lowest of the three groups on empathizing, and highest of the three groups on systemizing. (Note that we did this and all other analyses for males and females separately.) On this and other measures, libertarians consistently come out as the most cerebral, most rational, and least emotional. On a very crude problem solving measure related to IQ, they score the highest. Libertarians, more than liberals or conservatives, have the capacity to reason their way to their ideology."

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10/28/2013 2:38:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
And yet the genius is so constantly self-destructive, not trusting himself in this world. I can completely explain why it is that libertarians might be smarter than liberals on average, though; can you, WSA? Can you preempt my argument? I'll give you a hint: it's about control.
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10/28/2013 2:39:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
And, oh hey, here you are, a shining example of what I'm talking about! Go on, give it a go.
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10/28/2013 3:24:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You forgot the best part:

3) On relationships: Libertarians are the most individualistic; they report the weakest ties to other people. They score lowest of the three groups on many traits related to sociability, including extroversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness. They have a morality that matches their sociability " one that emphasizes independence, rather than altruism or patriotism.

Reading this, one could almost conclude that libertarianism is not a choice. It is rather a predisposition that is closely related to ones biology & DNA related to trust, empathy, and other important factors related to social behaviors.
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10/29/2013 12:33:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/28/2013 3:24:38 PM, slo1 wrote:
You forgot the best part:

3) On relationships: Libertarians are the most individualistic; they report the weakest ties to other people. They score lowest of the three groups on many traits related to sociability, including extroversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness. They have a morality that matches their sociability " one that emphasizes independence, rather than altruism or patriotism.

Reading this, one could almost conclude that libertarianism is not a choice. It is rather a predisposition that is closely related to ones biology & DNA related to trust, empathy, and other important factors related to social behaviors.

That would depend on whether those are nature or nurture. Though I would agree that it is not a choice. I hardly think anything about the way you really are is a choice. WSA cannot simply choose to be a fascist nor more than I can choose to be an anarchist or libertarian. We can pretend and act like them, but we don't really believe those things, nor do we truly agree with them. We can change but not from choice. When new facts are presented and events take place, our nurture changes and the way we view and feel about the world changes.
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10/29/2013 8:33:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/28/2013 3:24:38 PM, slo1 wrote:
You forgot the best part:

3) On relationships: Libertarians are the most individualistic; they report the weakest ties to other people. They score lowest of the three groups on many traits related to sociability, including extroversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness. They have a morality that matches their sociability " one that emphasizes independence, rather than altruism or patriotism.

Reading this, one could almost conclude that libertarianism is not a choice. It is rather a predisposition that is closely related to ones biology & DNA related to trust, empathy, and other important factors related to social behaviors.

Other highlights from the study:

"Table 3 shows that libertarians scored moderately lower than conservatives and substantially lower than liberals on empathic concern for others (also see Figure 3). Libertarians score slightly lower than liberals and similar to conservatives on personal distress, perspective taking, and fantasy."

"Therefore, our first prediction was strongly supported: libertarians value liberty more strongly and consistently than liberals or conservatives, at the expense of other moral concerns. We now turn to the question of libertarian dispositions. In particular, might libertarians simply feel the emotional pull of most moral concerns more weakly than other people do? Might libertarians generally be dispositionally more rational and less emotional? Study 2 tests whether these dispositional traits (level 1) may lead libertarians to certain values (level 2) and then to the endorsement of certain ideological narratives (level 3), which tie these values together in the form of an ideology [9]."

And then there's this:

"Table 3 shows that libertarians were moderately more utilitarian than conservatives, and slightly more utilitarian than liberals (also see Figure 4). Their judgments were more utilitarian in both the more aversive and less aversive scenarios."

Which makes no sense.
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10/29/2013 10:22:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The ????

I'm an intentionalist, not a utilitarian.

I guess I'm against the odds.

Now I just need to find the test for the other factors.
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