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Why does Congress get away with this?

000ike
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10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
YYW
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10/28/2013 8:44:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.

The only remedy to any problems with congress is to elect new congressmen...
NightofTheLivingCats
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10/28/2013 11:48:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/28/2013 8:44:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.

The only remedy to any problems with congress is to elect new congressmen...

lol Not in America. If the Federal governments goes full throttle with power, the people wont rebel because they are lazy and selfish bastards.
Ore_Ele
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10/29/2013 12:08:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/28/2013 11:48:34 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:44:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.

The only remedy to any problems with congress is to elect new congressmen...

lol Not in America. If the Federal governments goes full throttle with power, the people wont rebel because they are lazy and selfish bastards.

Is that a problem with the government or with the people? Though history has shown that if pushed far enough, they eventually do stuff. Though media plays a major part in that, since the people typically just eat what is fed to them.
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YYW
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10/29/2013 12:09:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/28/2013 11:48:34 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:44:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.

The only remedy to any problems with congress is to elect new congressmen...

lol Not in America. If the Federal governments goes full throttle with power, the people wont rebel because they are lazy and selfish bastards.

I'm not saying that it will happen, only that it's the only remedy available.
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10/29/2013 12:11:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/29/2013 12:08:34 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/28/2013 11:48:34 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:44:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.

The only remedy to any problems with congress is to elect new congressmen...

lol Not in America. If the Federal governments goes full throttle with power, the people wont rebel because they are lazy and selfish bastards.

Is that a problem with the government or with the people?

It is a problem with a government because it is a problem with the people.

Though history has shown that if pushed far enough, they eventually do stuff.

And we were at that threshold a while back... and the tea party was the consequence of it.

Though media plays a major part in that, since the people typically just eat what is fed to them.

Yup.
Ore_Ele
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10/29/2013 12:18:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/29/2013 12:11:21 AM, YYW wrote:
At 10/29/2013 12:08:34 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/28/2013 11:48:34 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:44:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.

The only remedy to any problems with congress is to elect new congressmen...

lol Not in America. If the Federal governments goes full throttle with power, the people wont rebel because they are lazy and selfish bastards.

Is that a problem with the government or with the people?

It is a problem with a government because it is a problem with the people.

I suppose the question is, is it possible to fix the problem on the government's end without fixing the problem on the people's end first?


Though history has shown that if pushed far enough, they eventually do stuff.

And we were at that threshold a while back... and the tea party was the consequence of it.

Were "we" as an entire nation at that threshold or merely one segment that most of the people did not support?


Though media plays a major part in that, since the people typically just eat what is fed to them.

Yup.

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YYW
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10/29/2013 3:22:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/29/2013 12:18:33 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/29/2013 12:11:21 AM, YYW wrote:
At 10/29/2013 12:08:34 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/28/2013 11:48:34 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:44:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/28/2013 8:19:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
http://www.gpo.gov...

I can't help but be irritated looking at this calendar. For heaven's sake isn't there anything we can do to put the power to determine Congressional work schedule and wages in something other than Congress's hands?

Only a conference of indolent millionaires could be so reckless and unproductive.

The only remedy to any problems with congress is to elect new congressmen...

lol Not in America. If the Federal governments goes full throttle with power, the people wont rebel because they are lazy and selfish bastards.

Is that a problem with the government or with the people?

It is a problem with a government because it is a problem with the people.

I suppose the question is, is it possible to fix the problem on the government's end without fixing the problem on the people's end first?


Though history has shown that if pushed far enough, they eventually do stuff.

And we were at that threshold a while back... and the tea party was the consequence of it.

Were "we" as an entire nation at that threshold or merely one segment that most of the people did not support?

Recognize that my answer to this question is not backed by quantitative evidence, but I think that of those people who engaged themselves in political life in the United States, a majority of both parties were at different thresholds for different reasons. Democrats wanted a way out of a mess which they blamed on Bush -so they sought a candidate who promised them change despite the fact that there were other, more qualified, better options on the table (like Hillary Clinton). The fact that the DNC did not choose Hillary, though, reflects a general dissatisfaction not only with the Republicans, but with the established political class more generally. Obama was a friendly, brilliant and well spoken man with a nice family who appeared to want to do things differently. Obama was change. Clinton was continuity.

Republicans, similarly wanted change -but rivaling camps within the RNC (establishment v. libertarians v. tea partiers) all had different answers to those questions. But also, the "threat" of Obama was nevertheless a strong influence. The reason someone like Mitt Romney was able to get the nomination was because (1) he was a governor of a very liberal state, (2) he was very, very conservative, (3) he wasn't thought to be an alienating figure by the establishment, (4) the strategy was that Romney would get the moderates and establishment and his VP pick could lure in both the Tea Partiers and Libertarians. So, the Romney/Ryan match seemed to be made in heaven... but really, they assumed the entire way through that the rivaling camps could come together to advance a common objective. The party strategists could, but the base could not -which was especially problematic given that the RNC was already at a popular disadvantage. So, Romney and Ryan were at once inside outsiders, or outside insiders... in theory they represented change for the RNC, but that was only the theory.


Though media plays a major part in that, since the people typically just eat what is fed to them.

Yup.

see video

Greyparrot
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10/30/2013 12:09:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/29/2013 8:48:56 PM, miketheman1200 wrote:
The people do not hold their representatives accountable largely due to apathy.

People who only care about themselves and not the country are allowed to vote. A government elected by takers will perform as such.
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10/30/2013 12:18:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/29/2013 8:48:56 PM, miketheman1200 wrote:
The people do not hold their representatives accountable largely due to apathy.

Its not just apathy. It is the wrong groups being apathetic. It is those that know the most about politics that see that the uneducated person and single issue person out number them 100 to 1, and so they become apathetic, leaving just a vast sea of easily swayed and controlled voters.
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000ike
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10/30/2013 3:24:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/30/2013 12:18:34 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/29/2013 8:48:56 PM, miketheman1200 wrote:
The people do not hold their representatives accountable largely due to apathy.

Its not just apathy. It is the wrong groups being apathetic. It is those that know the most about politics that see that the uneducated person and single issue person out number them 100 to 1, and so they become apathetic, leaving just a vast sea of easily swayed and controlled voters.

No. the whole concept of voting disincentivizes itself.
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11/1/2013 4:05:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You can vote in person on a Tuesday between 6 and 6. Ya that makes a whole lot of f****** sense.
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11/5/2013 9:09:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Because most people can't even name their Congressman in their district, much less what they do. People have become apathetic to Congressional elections and you have the radicals who bleed politics and principles dominating polls and electing the two extremes of the political spectrum so they can sit in the halls of DC with their backs turned to each other, lips pouting and arms folded.