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10/31/2013 8:38:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I read an article by senator Sanders just now, and it wasn't too bad but he did something democrats often do that really irritates me. He argued: "Rather, the time is long overdue for Congress to end corporate tax loopholes and ask the wealthiest people in this country to start paying their fair share of taxes."

I know it's for rhetorical purposes, but seriously..."ask"? There is no asking, just taking. If you think raising taxes is the best idea okay, but the argument that you're just asking people to contribute money is a lie.

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10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.
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10/31/2013 8:54:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 8:49:34 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
I present to you the stupidest man that ever was:

The fact that this man is in office seriously makes me wonder if there is a conspiracy behind it.
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10/31/2013 8:55:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'd just like to post this, from the very sensible Kleptin, before anything starts:

Ragnar: I just got an idea for a flying car!
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Ragnar: Well, see, it's like this...CAR. Except...IT FLIES!
Kleptin: Kill yourself.

LOOL
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10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?
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10/31/2013 9:01:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

How are enslavement and private property fundamentally different? I mean I know there are no chains, but there might as well be a shock collar involved.

Your positions is utterly hypocritical. Again, I'm a communist, NOT for taxation OR private property.

And then your position is also just more retarded. I refer you back to the wise and also very funny Kleptin.
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10/31/2013 9:04:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Oh wait, you'd get locked up for violating a person's property rights, right? There you go. Chains.
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10/31/2013 9:34:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 9:01:30 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

How are enslavement and private property fundamentally different? I mean I know there are no chains, but there might as well be a shock collar involved.

Taxation presents man with two options: that either he must work for others in the process of maintaining his life, or he can lead his life as a hobo. Both are forms of slavery, but the latter is taxation in the form of opportunity cost.

Your positions is utterly hypocritical. Again, I'm a communist, NOT for taxation OR private property.

I'd like to hear why you are against taxation.

And then your position is also just more retarded. I refer you back to the wise and also very funny Kleptin.
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10/31/2013 9:52:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

Tell me how many times the federal government has whipped your sorry @$$ for not picking up cotton fast enough.
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10/31/2013 9:52:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 8:54:56 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:49:34 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
I present to you the stupidest man that ever was:

The fact that this man is in office seriously makes me wonder if there is a conspiracy behind it.

He is correct; income taxes are voluntary
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10/31/2013 9:55:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 9:34:39 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 9:01:30 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

How are enslavement and private property fundamentally different? I mean I know there are no chains, but there might as well be a shock collar involved.

Taxation presents man with two options: that either he must work for others in the process of maintaining his life, or he can lead his life as a hobo. Both are forms of slavery, but the latter is taxation in the form of opportunity cost.

So being a CEO is the same as being a slave master then?
By your logic, if I am a salesperson for Bell, it's not me who profits and therefore it is living a life of slavery too. Ofcourse your going to oppose this right? Because you religiously support the free-market am I guessing correctly? What simplistic thinking!

Your positions is utterly hypocritical. Again, I'm a communist, NOT for taxation OR private property.

I'd like to hear why you are against taxation.

And then your position is also just more retarded. I refer you back to the wise and also very funny Kleptin.
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10/31/2013 10:10:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 10:01:03 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
Gotta go...I will address the idiot later.

LOL
idiot .. because it's not like by any objective standard (such as ELO for instance) that I'm not completely destroying you in.

In fact everyone starts with a ranking of 2000, you're so awful at debate you've DECREASED, not INCREASED. That's pretty bad, and indicative of how stupid you are.
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10/31/2013 10:13:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 9:34:39 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 9:01:30 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

How are enslavement and private property fundamentally different? I mean I know there are no chains, but there might as well be a shock collar involved.

Taxation presents man with two options: that either he must work for others in the process of maintaining his life, or he can lead his life as a hobo. Both are forms of slavery, but the latter is taxation in the form of opportunity cost.

Private property is also enslavement. There is fundamentally no difference between locking a person out and locking a person in; "out" and "in" just reference where, neither to say anything about the conditions of that "where".

The point is, you are tied to other people no matter how you look at it, and then a collective effort is always going to be preferable, morally, to an individual effort, or theoretically anyway.....I mean, the only way it's going to work out otherwise is if the good guy beats all the bad guys and wins the world - if he enslaves all the bad guys to goodness, that is, which isn't going to happen. There are more Hitlers than Dumbledores in the world. Sh*t, Dumbledore is even a f*cking fictional character.

Your positions is utterly hypocritical. Again, I'm a communist, NOT for taxation OR private property.

I'd like to hear why you are against taxation.

I'm not against taxation per se, but individualism. I'm for complete collectivism, but I will back taxation over calls for complete individualism as complete individualism is just nonsense. In tearing the state down all you're really doing is freeing up the playing field, allowing for a new state to form. Someone must win out. Individualism is tantamount to a power struggle and power struggles do not continue eternally. Hey, maybe the next one might, though, but have a look back through history and consider your odds. States form; take it as a given.

And then your sensible option is not to tear down the state, but to improve it. Your sensible option is not bet on the good guy beating all the bad guys, but to be some sort of a good guy, for your own benefit if you happen to be dumb - hey, be a slightly-bad guy against worse bad guys.

I, personally, am a communist. I would eradicate individualism and have us forget that it ever existed. I see a future for humanity where there might be no suffering, where resources might be plentiful, where peace has finally settled in, and that's what I'm about. That's what I mean when I say I'm not for taxation.

And then your position is also just more retarded. I refer you back to the wise and also very funny Kleptin.
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10/31/2013 5:59:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 10:10:54 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 10/31/2013 10:01:03 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
Gotta go...I will address the idiot later.

LOL
idiot .. because it's not like by any objective standard (such as ELO for instance) that I'm not completely destroying you in.

In fact everyone starts with a ranking of 2000, you're so awful at debate you've DECREASED, not INCREASED. That's pretty bad, and indicative of how stupid you are.

The fact that you think ELO is a valid measure of intelligence is indicative of your stupidity, not mine.
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10/31/2013 6:05:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 9:52:30 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

Tell me how many times the federal government has whipped your sorry @$$ for not picking up cotton fast enough.

Yes, because chains and cotton picking are the definitive characteristics of slavery.
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10/31/2013 6:10:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I notice this trend of calling private property enslavement... As though Property is a creature that can have it's right removed... I don't think enslavement means what you think it means.
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10/31/2013 6:20:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 6:10:24 PM, donald.keller wrote:
I notice this trend of calling private property enslavement... As though Property is a creature that can have it's right removed... I don't think enslavement means what you think it means.

Lol what. He's saying private property is enslavement, not that private property is enslaved.
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10/31/2013 7:17:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 9:04:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Oh wait, you'd get locked up for violating a person's property rights, right? There you go. Chains.

Chains put on those placing chains.
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10/31/2013 8:59:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 7:17:17 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 10/31/2013 9:04:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Oh wait, you'd get locked up for violating a person's property rights, right? There you go. Chains.

Chains put on those placing chains.

Shut up.
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10/31/2013 9:01:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'll be very happy when Democrats cut their class warfare bullsh!t. It's unbecoming, and un-American.
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10/31/2013 10:00:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You guys know that Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat, right?

He's an "independent", though he caucuses with them for committee assignments.

IIRC he's pretty much a straight socialist.
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10/31/2013 10:06:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 10:00:55 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
You guys know that Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat, right?

He's an "independent", though he caucuses with them for committee assignments.

IIRC he's pretty much a straight socialist.

I knew that, but the "ask" and "fair share" nonsense is used by Democrats all the time
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11/1/2013 7:35:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

A little melodramatic. You have been reading too much conservative literature.
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11/1/2013 9:34:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 7:35:35 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:56:13 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 10/31/2013 8:51:34 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Politicians are funny. Hey, dylan used the word "enslave" rather than "tax" only there a few hours ago. Not like it's fair if he's having all the fun.

How are enslavement and taxation fundamentally any different?

A little melodramatic. You have been reading too much conservative literature.

You didn't answer the question.