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comoncents
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1/1/2010 10:46:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Here is the list of hopefuls for 2012.

1. Former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts

2. Former Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska

3. Former Governor Gary E. Johnson of New Mexico

4. Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota

5. Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York

6. Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas

7. Senator John Thune of South Dakota

8. Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina

9. Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania

10. Former Vice President Dick Cheney of Wyoming

11. Representative Ron Paul of Texas

12. Former Governor George Pataki of New York

13. Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich of Georgia

14. Representative Mike Pence of Indiana

15. Governor Luis Fortuño of Puerto Rico

16. Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana

17. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia

18. Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana

Just to be fair we will throw the third party in there,

Libertarian Hopeful
19. Wayne Allyn Root
http://www.rootforamerica.com...

I know this is a large list but i wanted to ask;
Who has the best chance to beat Obama?

Who do you agree with more?

Who would you vote for?

What is your top 5 to see debate?

Who is your top 5?

I hope that when hopefuls are listed, we can debate on why they may not be the best choice.
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Danielle
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1/1/2010 11:27:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Ron Paul would be interesting. I'm very familiar with Rudy Giuliani (he was my mayor, afterall, for most of my life) but I think Bobby Jindal could have a good shot if he established some credibility in the upcoming years.
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comoncents
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1/1/2010 11:35:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 11:27:49 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Ron Paul would be interesting. I'm very familiar with Rudy Giuliani (he was my mayor, afterall, for most of my life) but I think Bobby Jindal could have a good shot if he established some credibility in the upcoming years.

Bobby Jindal=

Same-sex marriage
Jindal opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage. He has voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment to restrict marriage to a union between one man and one woman.[81] In December 2008, Jindal announced the formation of the Louisiana Commission on Marriage and Family,[82] including individuals representing organizations that oppose same-sex marriage.[83]

Which is nuts, but i do agree that if he were not so neo-con he would do well.

I love Ron paul, but that age.
He said no at first but now is thinking that he could do 1 term.
He would be like 80 when he gets out of office.
Volkov
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1/1/2010 11:39:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 10:46:43 PM, comoncents wrote:
Here is the list of hopefuls for 2012.

Time for me to deconstruct it.

1. Former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts

Too liberal, pro "socialized medicine", and essentially a Republican copy of Obama, which isn't good, because why have a copy when you can have the real thing?

2. Former Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska

Too nutsy. She'll be a Goldwater-type candidate, throwing her in the race as a protest and a sacrifice. God help us if she managed to win.

3. Former Governor Gary E. Johnson of New Mexico

Too obscure. Bill Richardson owns him.

4. Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota

Too bland.

5. Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York

Too opportunistic, too liberal, won't even carry his home state.

6. Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas

Slightly less nutsy than Palin.

7. Senator John Thune of South Dakota

Who?

8. Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina

Lmfao. Not after his "hiking trip."

9. Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania

You mean the guy that had the largest Senatorial margin loss in 30 years?

10. Former Vice President Dick Cheney of Wyoming

Most hated Vice-President in history. Bush legacy.

11. Representative Ron Paul of Texas

Too libertarian. He'd meet the fate that his son will in socially-conservative, economically-moderate Kentucky.

12. Former Governor George Pataki of New York

Hm, not that bad of a choice, but still no.

13. Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich of Georgia

Definitely not happening. He's old, he's from another era, and he has a pretty shady past, despite his successes.

14. Representative Mike Pence of Indiana

Who?

15. Governor Luis Fortuño of Puerto Rico

Ah, yes, get the Hispanic vote, eh? You'd lose the rest of the white middle-class, though.

16. Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana

Isn't he embroiled in a spending scandal?

17. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia

He's just an idiot. I mean, really, an alternative budget? Way to f*ck your minority politik.

18. Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana

I don't think he'll go for it.

Just to be fair we will throw the third party in there,

Libertarian Hopeful
19. Wayne Allyn Root
http://www.rootforamerica.com...

Bahahahaha.

I know this is a large list but i wanted to ask;
Who has the best chance to beat Obama?

None, in honesty. Most are either too bland/obscure, too crazy, or too liberal. Obama will have to royally f*ck up in order for any of them to gain a clear advantage. Plus, the GOP is organizationally screwed.

Who do you agree with more?

Romney, and surprisingly, Huckabee. The latter is kind of alright in the bigger picture.

Who would you vote for?

Romney. Won't vote for anyone else.

What is your top 5 to see debate?

Romney, Huckabee, Jindal, Jeb Bush (not on the list, but he should be), and for giggles, Palin.

Who is your top 5?

Romney, Huckabee, Jindal, Pawlenty, Guiliani.
Ragnar_Rahl
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1/1/2010 11:44:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Romney, and surprisingly, Huckabee.

I'm not surprised, Huckabee's essentially a Christian Socialist.
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comoncents
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1/1/2010 11:44:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@Volkov

That was awesome, what you did.

And i hate to agree that Romney is an ok choice.
He is a business man, and was a governor so he seem to be able to mange money well.

I think Huck reminds me of a flip flopper, but as long as the congress does not let him push jesus on people, he would not be all to bad.
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1/1/2010 11:46:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 11:44:37 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Romney, and surprisingly, Huckabee.

I'm not surprised, Huckabee's essentially a Christian Socialist.

Hey now, don't peddle that s-word at me. I consider him a Christian.. yeah, OK, socialist.

Still, he's only a second choice. I wouldn't hand that guy the reigns too quickly.
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1/1/2010 11:52:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 11:35:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 1/1/2010 11:27:49 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Ron Paul would be interesting. I'm very familiar with Rudy Giuliani (he was my mayor, afterall, for most of my life) but I think Bobby Jindal could have a good shot if he established some credibility in the upcoming years.

Bobby Jindal=

Same-sex marriage
Jindal opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage. He has voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment to restrict marriage to a union between one man and one woman.[81] In December 2008, Jindal announced the formation of the Louisiana Commission on Marriage and Family,[82] including individuals representing organizations that oppose same-sex marriage.[83]


Which is nuts, but i do agree that if he were not so neo-con he would do well.
Why do people use the word "Neo con" like that? Neoconservatism is agnostic about marriage. A neocon believes, essentially, the following:
Democracy and Western civilization are good and should be imposed by force on foreign countries if necessary.

Criminals should be dealt with harshly (One common formulation of neoconservative is "A liberal who has been mugged by reality.")

The welfare state is freaking awesome, though there may or may not be a way to contract out some functions to improve its efficiency while maintaining the key issue of funding it by tax.

And that's more or less it when it comes to the things that are integral to neoconservatism.
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1/1/2010 11:52:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Tim Pawlenty is interesting, but as a governor he has not had to make hard stances on issues. So it is hard to see where he stands on some things.

Some things I don't like are,
Opposes Absolute right to gun ownership
Strongly Favors Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
Favors Replace coal & oil with alternatives
Strongly Favors Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws

But upside,
Strongly Opposes The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
Strongly Favors Support & expand free trade
Opposes topic Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
Strongly Opposes Make taxes more progressive
comoncents
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1/1/2010 11:55:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 11:52:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 1/1/2010 11:35:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 1/1/2010 11:27:49 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Ron Paul would be interesting. I'm very familiar with Rudy Giuliani (he was my mayor, afterall, for most of my life) but I think Bobby Jindal could have a good shot if he established some credibility in the upcoming years.

Bobby Jindal=

Same-sex marriage
Jindal opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage. He has voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment to restrict marriage to a union between one man and one woman.[81] In December 2008, Jindal announced the formation of the Louisiana Commission on Marriage and Family,[82] including individuals representing organizations that oppose same-sex marriage.[83]


Which is nuts, but i do agree that if he were not so neo-con he would do well.
Why do people use the word "Neo con" like that? Neoconservatism is agnostic about marriage. A neocon believes, essentially, the following:


I know, and he does not believe in non-intervention. The marriage thing was just another sidebar comment.
He is still considered a Neoconservative.
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1/1/2010 11:56:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Varrant?
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1/1/2010 11:57:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 11:56:06 PM, Volkov wrote:
Gotta ask, comons, how come you're against replacing fossil fuels with sustainable alternatives?

Ideology:Libertarian

You're asking at least a mild semblance of a libertarian why he opposes a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL doing that?
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1/2/2010 12:00:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 11:57:35 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You're asking at least a mild semblance of a libertarian why he opposes a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL doing that?

Yes, I do, because I know everyone isn't ideologically pure and there are different variants on beliefs. You know, being realistic.
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1/2/2010 12:03:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
That's funny.

Realistically, someone could support, say, cap and trade and make some sort of remote claim to the libertarian title. I'd dispute it but it would be an arguable claim.

A government official picking a specific replacement, on the other hand, made as a statement without any further context given-- that can't be done. Sorry.
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1/2/2010 12:05:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Let's just see what comon has to say, shall we? He might be against alternative fuels altogether, I don't know, 'tis why I ask and not assume.
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1/2/2010 12:21:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/1/2010 11:56:06 PM, Volkov wrote:
Gotta ask, comons, how come you're against replacing fossil fuels with sustainable alternatives?

What I can not stand are subsidies to big corporations when we subsidize them and give them Research and development money. They should take it out of there own funds.

So how do we pay for it, taxing the Oil and natural gas companies?
http://www.govtrack.us...
Oil and natural gas fuel our economy and sustain our way of life.
And there are millions of Americans that are employed in the oil and natural gas industry.

I do not think that we should keep a moratorium on drilling for oil offshore.

Bottom line.
I hate government spending, initiatives, and/or taxes.
American economy will depend on oil for a long time so we do not need to spend money on nonsense right now.

I would be open to anything you have on the issue.
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1/2/2010 12:24:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Alright, fair enough. But, if there was some way that, well, it wasn't directed by government, and that those in the fossil fuel industries were able to make an easy transition from job to job, would you be supportive?
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1/2/2010 12:28:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/2/2010 12:24:45 AM, Volkov wrote:
Alright, fair enough. But, if there was some way that, well, it wasn't directed by government, and that those in the fossil fuel industries were able to make an easy transition from job to job, would you be supportive?

If government was not involved.
If big corporations took it out of there own funds.

Than yeah, but i think it would be the slow change america would need in this field, so yeah.

I am not saying that is is a bad idea, i am just saying that it is a bad idea for government to get involved, and especial at this moment.

Do you think i am becoming a Libertarian.
I sound like one, huh

Maybe i need to check myself.
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1/2/2010 12:30:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/2/2010 12:28:26 AM, comoncents wrote:
Maybe i need to check myself.

Lmao, maybe you are, not like it's a bad thing, though. Funnily enough, though, you'd be in line with some Green Party policies. xD They're against subsidization as well, even for green tech, or at least the ones in Ontario are.
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1/2/2010 12:41:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/2/2010 12:30:57 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/2/2010 12:28:26 AM, comoncents wrote:
Maybe i need to check myself.

Lmao, maybe you are, not like it's a bad thing, though. Funnily enough, though, you'd be in line with some Green Party policies. xD They're against subsidization as well, even for green tech, or at least the ones in Ontario are.

Wait wat.

Wat.

Do I need to put Ontario somewhere on the list after New Hampshire and before conquering a third world autocracy?

Or do they make up ground with gummint somewhere else?
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1/2/2010 12:50:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/2/2010 12:41:39 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Wait wat.

Wat.

Do I need to put Ontario somewhere on the list after New Hampshire and before conquering a third world autocracy?

Or do they make up ground with gummint somewhere else?

The Ontario Greens have a slight libertarian bent in economics, but yeah, they make it up in other areas. Social housing grants, development blocks, some fairly liberal spending practices, etc.

You don't want Ontario, mate, we got Liberals and pseudo-liberals and social democrats in power all the time. Well, minus Mike Harris...
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1/6/2010 7:46:48 PM
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At 1/6/2010 7:42:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
If Sarah Palin wins in 2012, god help us all...

I'm a Republican, if Sarah Palin gets nominated...for Obama I will cast...
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1/6/2010 7:50:32 PM
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At 1/6/2010 7:46:48 PM, Republican95 wrote:
At 1/6/2010 7:42:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
If Sarah Palin wins in 2012, god help us all...

I'm a Republican, if Sarah Palin gets nominated...for Obama I will cast...

I think that says alot. Haha. I don't really mind Obama although he could be much better. Like every other American president he's still just a corporate puppet. One dumbass move on his part was winning the Nobel Peace Prize and then turning around and sending more troops to Afghanistan. Wtf is that?