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10/1/2008 11:23:26 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I don't believe this but I know someone who does. He says if you're poor it's because you're lazy and you don't want to work. And if you at least past high school there's no reason to be low on money or not have a good job. So now I wonder is anyone else that ignorant or is it just him I'd like to know your opinion on what he said was it right or wrong.
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10/1/2008 12:16:53 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I'm poor, I'm in college.

The end.
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10/1/2008 12:31:14 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I'm in the same place as Mr. Hands: In college and poor.

I would argue that poverty (in many cases) stems from a lack of opportunity for both education and capital. Generally, a person needs to be established (monetarily) in order to gain access to the credit required to become highly successful. The people that are born without these two opportunities (higher ed. and credit) are doomed to a life of wage labor. Sometimes they will get lucky and find an employer that will pay a worthy wage, but more often they become stuck in positions with lower wages. Again, this result is not because they are inherently lazy, but that they don't have the same opportunities that others have.
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10/1/2008 3:34:40 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
A lot of people simply dont have the natural intelligence to handle college, so if their jobs are laid off its not really their fault
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10/1/2008 6:01:57 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/1/2008 12:16:53 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
I'm poor, I'm in college.

The end.

Yet you separated two independent clauses with a comma?!
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10/1/2008 10:33:33 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I'm poor; furthermore, I'm in college.

I hope you didn't lose sleep over that.
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10/2/2008 5:13:54 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/1/2008 12:31:14 PM, JBlake wrote:
I'm in the same place as Mr. Hands: In college and poor.

I would argue that poverty (in many cases) stems from a lack of opportunity for both education and capital. Generally, a person needs to be established (monetarily) in order to gain access to the credit required to become highly successful. The people that are born without these two opportunities (higher ed. and credit) are doomed to a life of wage labor. Sometimes they will get lucky and find an employer that will pay a worthy wage, but more often they become stuck in positions with lower wages. Again, this result is not because they are inherently lazy, but that they don't have the same opportunities that others have.

I would second this. However, in the new world, i.e. USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, society does not have the same entrenched class-system that stigmatises those people with working class accents, thus putting people from socially-deprived families at further disadvantage in the job market.
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10/2/2008 10:27:24 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I have neither higher education or capital. Well I did not have capital, now I do. I did not even graduate high school. But I am doing good. But I am blessed by God.
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10/3/2008 9:54:47 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
This would be true, in most cases, in a free country.

This is not a free country. I am poor because I am a slave, not permitted to work (It's complicated, but yes, I am actually prevented by the state's actions from obtaining a job :D).
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10/3/2008 10:02:49 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/3/2008 9:54:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
This would be true, in most cases, in a free country.

This is not a free country. I am poor because I am a slave, not permitted to work (It's complicated, but yes, I am actually prevented by the state's actions from obtaining a job :D).

how so?
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10/4/2008 2:48:47 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
how so?

Some things are private.
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10/4/2008 3:33:29 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/3/2008 9:54:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
This would be true, in most cases, in a free country.

This is not a free country. I am poor because I am a slave, not permitted to work (It's complicated, but yes, I am actually prevented by the state's actions from obtaining a job :D).

Could it be argued that you're too lazy to overcome slavey? :P
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10/4/2008 4:02:27 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
It is true in some cases, but I dont think a single thing can explain the amount of wealth people have. Its multiple factors, and can come down to just plain old bad luck.

But to deny that anybody could be poor because of laziness is equally as inaccurate as saying everyone is poor because of laziness.

When welfare, child support, and other aid programs could let someone live nearly their entire life without doing any work then you can't deny that at least some lazy people could be poor because of their laziness. From personal experience I know a woman who had the ability and training to be a secretary and quit the job. She divorced the father of her children, lived in New Orleans when Katrina struck, and tried to get to texas for the recent hurricane. She has been living off of welfare type programs for over 10 years now dragging her kids along with her for the child support money she gets.

So it is very possible to be poor out of laziness, but naturally it doesnt explain ALL poor people.
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10/4/2008 7:39:56 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/4/2008 2:48:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
how so?

Some things are private.

My bad, it was a stupid question.
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10/4/2008 9:30:47 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/4/2008 3:33:29 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 10/3/2008 9:54:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
This would be true, in most cases, in a free country.

This is not a free country. I am poor because I am a slave, not permitted to work (It's complicated, but yes, I am actually prevented by the state's actions from obtaining a job :D).


Could it be argued that you're too lazy to overcome slavey? :P

It could, if you ignored the fact that overcoming slavery of the form I deal with is a very time-consuming (think half a lifetime's work at minimum), risky business, and I am in fact taking steps toward the start of that time consumption. Whether they will work remains to be seen.
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10/4/2008 9:31:59 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/4/2008 7:39:56 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
At 10/4/2008 2:48:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
how so?

Some things are private.

My bad, it was a stupid question.
Not really, it's just a question I choose not to answer. I will tell you, however, that it is not the state's INTENTION which prevented me from working, it is a side effect of what they did :D.
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10/5/2008 9:29:12 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Not really, it's just a question I choose not to answer. I will tell you, however, that it is not the state's INTENTION which prevented me from working, it is a side effect of what they did :D.

why are you tempting us. lol.
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10/5/2008 9:30:22 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/4/2008 9:31:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 10/4/2008 7:39:56 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
At 10/4/2008 2:48:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
how so?

Some things are private.

My bad, it was a stupid question.
Not really, it's just a question I choose not to answer. I will tell you, however, that it is not the state's INTENTION which prevented me from working, it is a side effect of what they did :D.
Guessing game.

Is it....... registering as a sex offender?
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10/5/2008 9:53:12 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/5/2008 9:30:22 AM, s0m31john wrote:
At 10/4/2008 9:31:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 10/4/2008 7:39:56 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
At 10/4/2008 2:48:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
how so?

Some things are private.

My bad, it was a stupid question.
Not really, it's just a question I choose not to answer. I will tell you, however, that it is not the state's INTENTION which prevented me from working, it is a side effect of what they did :D.
Guessing game.

Is it....... registering as a sex offender?
No, that's your future (j/k), not my present , guess again.
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10/6/2008 1:55:24 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Most people who are poor are extremely lazy now there are a few exceptions but not many. Then there are the people who are stealing money from the government getting welfare and food stamps because they are too damn lazy to get a job.
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10/6/2008 2:01:42 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/6/2008 1:55:24 PM, jasonxxx102 wrote:
Most people who are poor are extremely lazy now there are a few exceptions but not many. Then there are the people who are stealing money from the government getting welfare and food stamps because they are too damn lazy to get a job.

What would you know about it, kid? Your comment makes you sound stupid. You cannot simply assert such a thing with no supporting arguments and no life experience.
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10/6/2008 2:08:43 PM
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"Then there are the people who are stealing money from the government getting welfare and food stamps because they are too damn lazy to get a job."
Incorrect. That money does not belong to the government. The government is stealing it for them :D.

And while some of them may be lazy, others may simply dislike the notion of being stolen from, as inevitably happens in this country if you get a job. Since they know they will be victims, they might as well take whatever meager compensation is offered for the victimization of living in a taxing society.
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10/13/2008 4:54:20 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/6/2008 2:01:42 PM, brittwaller wrote:
At 10/6/2008 1:55:24 PM, jasonxxx102 wrote:
Most people who are poor are extremely lazy now there are a few exceptions but not many. Then there are the people who are stealing money from the government getting welfare and food stamps because they are too damn lazy to get a job.

What would you know about it, kid? Your comment makes you sound stupid. You cannot simply assert such a thing with no supporting arguments and no life experience.

Be nice to the kid, he's little.

Maybe he was warming up to something and you scared him off Britt :P

Though he could have structured that first sentence a little better...
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10/13/2008 7:41:17 PM
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Being lazy is just one of many reasons but it in my opinion is in the top three reasons for being poor. The other two are irresponsible behavior that costs you money. And irresponsible money management. Unfortunate circumstance is at the bottom of the list. Most if not all people who have ambition can overcome adversity and pull themselves out of poverty. I know I did. I was piss broke all through my twenties, then I decided to get rid of all my loser friends and start a new life. Have never looked back sense and have no regrets. Oh by the way it's not what you do for a living that builds wealth it's what you do after work that makes the real money. Ask a working poor person what they do when they get off work. 90% will probably say nothing or some costly worthless activity that just sucks up what little money they have. Taking a vacation that you can't afford because you think you deserve one is another reason people remain poor or just barely above the poverty level. If you don't have the cash on hand to pay 3 months of bills you have not earned the right to go on a vacation. Using credit to pay for entertainment is by far the most irresponsible use of credit there is and is committed by poor people the most often.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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10/13/2008 7:43:19 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/1/2008 11:23:26 AM, Random_Man wrote:
I don't believe this but I know someone who does. He says if you're poor it's because you're lazy and you don't want to work. And if you at least past high school there's no reason to be low on money or not have a good job. So now I wonder is anyone else that ignorant or is it just him I'd like to know your opinion on what he said was it right or wrong.

Being lazy is just one of many reasons but it in my opinion is in the top three reasons for being poor. The other two are irresponsible behavior that costs you money. And irresponsible money management. Unfortunate circumstance is at the bottom of the list. Most if not all people who have ambition can overcome adversity and pull themselves out of poverty. I know I did. I was piss broke all through my twenties, then I decided to get rid of all my loser friends and start a new life. Have never looked back sense and have no regrets. Oh by the way it's not what you do for a living that builds wealth it's what you do after work that makes the real money. Ask a working poor person what they do when they get off work. 90% will probably say nothing or some costly worthless activity that just sucks up what little money they have. Taking a vacation that you can't afford because you think you deserve one is another reason people remain poor or just barely above the poverty level. If you don't have the cash on hand to pay 3 months of bills you have not earned the right to go on a vacation. Using credit to pay for entertainment is by far the most irresponsible use of credit there is and is committed by poor people the most often.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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10/13/2008 7:58:57 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/2/2008 10:27:24 PM, joshandr30 wrote:
I have neither higher education or capital. Well I did not have capital, now I do. I did not even graduate high school. But I am doing good. But I am blessed by God.

When I accepted God, my life changed over nite. I have not wanted for anything that I have needed ever sence. The money and opportunities just come, it is impossible to explain but they just do. I too have no higher education nor acces to wealth, but wealth just seems to find me by the grace of god.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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10/15/2008 10:02:00 PM
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Undoubtedly some are lazy but I do not no of any case (outside of ODB) in where they have a good quality of life while recieving the bare bones government assistance. In an economy of uncertainty many are laid off as companies reduce scale, they reduce scale because people that have jobs are holding on to the money they have anticipating being laid off. This creates a positive feedback loop (think snake eating its tail) that further exacerbates the problem.

I have even heard a person state that she did not believe there was a problem and that if she got fired she would become a bartender or waitress....a complete misunderstanding of the principles of economics. If people are spending less they are less likely to go to restaurants and bars or spend much on anything outside of the BARE necessities. If you dont believe me than all you have to do is turn on the news... retail is down by drastic numbers and going into the holiday season we may not even see the retail / service industry go into the black.
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10/15/2008 10:17:47 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
And I would agree that the reason we have experienced the unfortunate circumstances is due in part to poor money management and our debt spending. That was encouraged by the banks now begging for money. Unfortunately we had the belief that debt spending and buying on credit are good for the economy, which until about a month ago appeared so - now we see what happens when this unregulated spending occurs
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10/16/2008 8:35:30 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/13/2008 7:41:17 PM, sadolite wrote:
Being lazy is just one of many reasons but it in my opinion is in the top three reasons for being poor. The other two are irresponsible behavior that costs you money. And irresponsible money management. Unfortunate circumstance is at the bottom of the list. Most if not all people who have ambition can overcome adversity and pull themselves out of poverty. I know I did. I was piss broke all through my twenties, then I decided to get rid of all my loser friends and start a new life. Have never looked back sense and have no regrets. Oh by the way it's not what you do for a living that builds wealth it's what you do after work that makes the real money. Ask a working poor person what they do when they get off work. 90% will probably say nothing or some costly worthless activity that just sucks up what little money they have. Taking a vacation that you can't afford because you think you deserve one is another reason people remain poor or just barely above the poverty level. If you don't have the cash on hand to pay 3 months of bills you have not earned the right to go on a vacation. Using credit to pay for entertainment is by far the most irresponsible use of credit there is and is committed by poor people the most often.

Think of all of your 'loser' friends. What was their educational backround? Think about how that ties into their position then and now. You did not go into any higher education and you were not born into wealth. But you did recieve an education of some sorts via your 'religious conversion'. Your conversion taught you that spending your money on vice is bad, which seems to have also taught you that saving your money is good (I picked this up by your comment on vacations).

As to wealth falling into your hands from then on I cannot comment because I do not know the rest of your story, how that wealth fell into your hands, and how much wealth it is that you have obtained. I will not ask these questions of you either. I will only respond by saying some people have a natural skill set or intellect that can make them successful without being born well off or receiving a proper education. Most of those people will find only limited success as well, I might add. The point is, you are the exception, not the norm.

Finally, when I talk about education I do not exclusively mean higher education (though this certainly could help). Many poorer areas and entire regions (like most of my entire state, for instance) have sub-par education at the K-12 level. They do not teach the necessary skills for these children to become successfull adults. They don't teach money management in any way (at least it is not mandatory), they don't teach basic economics, they don't teach leadership, and they seem to shun individuality. These, and other important life lessons, can be picked up by the few curious minds outside of school, but the rest will be left behind. They will have only the skill to perform certain tasks assigned to them by someone else. If they are lucky, that someone will pay them a high enough wage to support their family and have some left over for entertainment. Unfortunately this is not very often the case.