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11/26/2013 9:22:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
They need to change the subject. The healthcare law has never been popular, but the disastrous role out made it sink far lower. Even though there's plenty of time to put it behind them in the next year, I can't say I would be optimistic if I was a democrat. The chances of a democratic house is very, very slim. Last year the democrats won the popular vote by a decent margin and didn't even come close to taking the house
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11/26/2013 10:04:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
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I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

This is going downhill fast for them, and it's not going to get better. Imagine what will happen if 80 million people lose they're employer-covered plans like predicted - we've only had 5 million lose right now and that's taken away all Democratic momentum.

The only Democratic hope is to desperately cling to the Obamacare ship so they can hold the Senate. Everyone will be pissed at them, but it will be much harder for the GOP to gain it in 2016 than in 2014. But safe seats are now becoming unsafe. There are a total of 3 seats the GOP is basically guaranteed to win (Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia), at least 6 seats that are looking like toss ups (Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Iowa, Michigan, and North Carolina), and 4 seats that could become competitive (Colorado, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Oregon).That's a total of 13 seats, and that's not even including seats like Virginia or Illinois that could become competitive in the right circumstance. The GOP only needs to win six of these seats to take the Senate, and there are only two seats the Democrats could actually pick up - Kentucky and Georgia, neither of which are looking like they'll flip.

I wouldn't put it past the GOP to nominate some douchebag who causes them to lose a seat or two, but it is not looking good for Dems when there are 13 competitive seats the GOP could pick up.
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11/26/2013 10:26:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's so bad that "crazy right wingers" Ted Cruz and Rand Paul beat Hillary Clinton in the swing state of Colorado, they even win over independents.

http://www.breitbart.com...
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11/26/2013 10:28:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

The ACA isn't going to hurt Democrats in the 2014 midterms. The reason is not because the ACA was not harmful, but because of how the Tea Partiers chose to fight it. The net loss will be on the Republicans.
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11/26/2013 11:49:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 10:28:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

The ACA isn't going to hurt Democrats in the 2014 midterms. The reason is not because the ACA was not harmful, but because of how the Tea Partiers chose to fight it. The net loss will be on the Republicans.

How are the "Tea Partiers" fighting it and how is the way they are fighting bad?
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11/26/2013 1:57:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

Nothing. They just need to wait for the Republicans to self implode when the Repub candidates move to woo the evangelical and other very conservative members to get the party nod .

If you look back at the obama years despite the right lamenting the destruction of the american way they have been relatively conservative.

- They promote the continued erosion of American individual rights as allowed by the Patriot act. (I put that as a negative, but many see security as a positive.)
- Aggressive use of drones
- Got out of Iraq exactly how Bush laid out the plan.
- Foreign policy with the one exception of publically disagreeing with Israel on settlements. (Although they disagreed, Obama's admin stopped a UN resolution reprimanding Israel's continued expansion in the West Bank)
- Many of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent.
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Quite honestly, the Dems just need to sell themselves as the Centrist party when all the Repub candidates are pandering to the far right.
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11/26/2013 3:47:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 10:28:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

The ACA isn't going to hurt Democrats in the 2014 midterms. The reason is not because the ACA was not harmful, but because of how the Tea Partiers chose to fight it. The net loss will be on the Republicans.

That depends. People could see the tea party as heroes for fighting it, and see them as intelligent for foreseeing the laws failure....

It all depends on the people, and rather or not the law continues to fail. You can never truly measure the futures thoughts of the people...
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11/26/2013 7:04:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 3:47:59 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 11/26/2013 10:28:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

The ACA isn't going to hurt Democrats in the 2014 midterms. The reason is not because the ACA was not harmful, but because of how the Tea Partiers chose to fight it. The net loss will be on the Republicans.

That depends. People could see the tea party as heroes for fighting it, and see them as intelligent for foreseeing the laws failure....

It all depends on the people, and rather or not the law continues to fail. You can never truly measure the futures thoughts of the people...

Ted Cruz and the Tea Party may be considered heroes in the future but not by 2014. Wait till the employer exchanges in 2015 which will be the real results of the ACA. The Democrats may not get elected for a decade if that goes wrong.
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11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 1:57:08 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

Nothing. They just need to wait for the Republicans to self implode when the Repub candidates move to woo the evangelical and other very conservative members to get the party nod .

Tea Party insiders have indicated that they will not campaign on social values, their winning strategy is economics and limited government.

If you look back at the obama years despite the right lamenting the destruction of the american way they have been relatively conservative.

- They promote the continued erosion of American individual rights as allowed by the Patriot act. (I put that as a negative, but many see security as a positive.)

Rand Paul is a Tea Party leader and he opposes the Patriot Act.

- Aggressive use of drones

Republicans are a party of non-interventionism and anti-war.

- Got out of Iraq exactly how Bush laid out the plan.

Conservatives don't accept Bush. Rand and Cruz oppose his policies.

- Foreign policy with the one exception of publically disagreeing with Israel on settlements. (Although they disagreed, Obama's admin stopped a UN resolution reprimanding Israel's continued expansion in the West Bank)

Again, Republicans are the party of peace. Robert Taft and Goldwater were against intervention. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a single weapon.

- Many of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent.

And then Obama imposed the payroll tax on the poor and middle class in January 2012. And Obamacare is crippling the financial stability of middle class Americans.

Quite honestly, the Dems just need to sell themselves as the Centrist party when all the Repub candidates are pandering to the far right.

Dems have already exposed themselves as the far left death panel redistributionists.

The far right represents common sense: free market, limited government, individual liberty.
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11/26/2013 9:27:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 1:57:08 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

Nothing. They just need to wait for the Republicans to self implode when the Repub candidates move to woo the evangelical and other very conservative members to get the party nod .

Tea Party insiders have indicated that they will not campaign on social values, their winning strategy is economics and limited government.

...Till one of them makes a stupid comment about rape....

If you look back at the obama years despite the right lamenting the destruction of the american way they have been relatively conservative.

- They promote the continued erosion of American individual rights as allowed by the Patriot act. (I put that as a negative, but many see security as a positive.)

Rand Paul is a Tea Party leader and he opposes the Patriot Act.

Texas Sharpshooter. I bet Cruz doesn't...

- Aggressive use of drones

Republicans are a party of non-interventionism and anti-war.

LMAO! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?!
IRAQ???
AFGHANISTAN???
IRAQ AGAIN?!?!
CALLS FOR INVASION IN SYRIA?!?!

- Got out of Iraq exactly how Bush laid out the plan.

Conservatives don't accept Bush. Rand and Cruz oppose his policies.

You.are.dillusional.

- Foreign policy with the one exception of publically disagreeing with Israel on settlements. (Although they disagreed, Obama's admin stopped a UN resolution reprimanding Israel's continued expansion in the West Bank)

Again, Republicans are the party of peace. Robert Taft and Goldwater were against intervention. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a single weapon.

oh.my.god.
The stupidity.
(see above)

- Many of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent.

And then Obama imposed the payroll tax on the poor and middle class in January 2012.
You realize payroll taxes are for employers. NOT employee's right? Jesus are you stupid.

And Obamacare is crippling the financial stability of middle class Americans.
factually: no.
They can enter the "shark pool" if they cannot afford it.

Quite honestly, the Dems just need to sell themselves as the Centrist party when all the Repub candidates are pandering to the far right.

Dems have already exposed themselves as the far left death panel redistributionists.

Oh my god.

Death panels are a proto-fascist lie drafted up by the extreme right-wing to scare the masses into opposing Obamacare. They do NOT exist.
Furthermore, the dems are capitalists. The far left (socialists and marxists) actually denounced FDR for betraying their values for not overhauling the capitalist system. They might not like complete free-markets, but that does not make them anti-capitalists. You idiot.

The far right represents common sense: free market, limited government, individual liberty.

And the representation of totalitarianism, voided civil liberties, Adolf Hitler, and the deaths of labor rights.
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11/26/2013 11:55:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 10:04:36 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

This is going downhill fast for them, and it's not going to get better. Imagine what will happen if 80 million people lose they're employer-covered plans like predicted - we've only had 5 million lose right now and that's taken away all Democratic momentum.

The only Democratic hope is to desperately cling to the Obamacare ship so they can hold the Senate. Everyone will be pissed at them, but it will be much harder for the GOP to gain it in 2016 than in 2014. But safe seats are now becoming unsafe. There are a total of 3 seats the GOP is basically guaranteed to win (Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia), at least 6 seats that are looking like toss ups (Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Iowa, Michigan, and North Carolina), and 4 seats that could become competitive (Colorado, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Oregon).That's a total of 13 seats, and that's not even including seats like Virginia or Illinois that could become competitive in the right circumstance. The GOP only needs to win six of these seats to take the Senate, and there are only two seats the Democrats could actually pick up - Kentucky and Georgia, neither of which are looking like they'll flip.

I wouldn't put it past the GOP to nominate some douchebag who causes them to lose a seat or two, but it is not looking good for Dems when there are 13 competitive seats the GOP could pick up.

Considering that most of those Democrats are Blue Dogs who vote against every liberal thing proposed, it's not really a loss to the Democrats. The Republicans win those seats either way. Nice try though :)
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11/27/2013 12:04:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 3:47:59 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 11/26/2013 10:28:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

The ACA isn't going to hurt Democrats in the 2014 midterms. The reason is not because the ACA was not harmful, but because of how the Tea Partiers chose to fight it. The net loss will be on the Republicans.

That depends. People could see the tea party as heroes for fighting it, and see them as intelligent for foreseeing the laws failure....

Some people will see the Tea Partiers as heroes for "standing their ground." lol.... those people won't be in the majority.

It all depends on the people, and rather or not the law continues to fail. You can never truly measure the futures thoughts of the people...

Obviously. I'm saying what impact this is going to have on how "the people" vote. Of course, I'm speculating on this... but it's not hard to see where the cards are going to fall.
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11/27/2013 1:26:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 9:27:52 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Tea Party insiders have indicated that they will not campaign on social values, their winning strategy is economics and limited government.

...Till one of them makes a stupid comment about rape....

That guy was a nobody, not a Tea Party hero.

Rand Paul is a Tea Party leader and he opposes the Patriot Act.

Texas Sharpshooter. I bet Cruz doesn't...

According to this, Cruz does not support the Patriot Act: http://www.isidewith.com...

Also, Cruz says he stands with Rand against Christie on the issue of surveillance.
http://hotair.com...

And here again he explicitly states that he opposes the "NSA not respecting the right to privacy."
http://www.mediaite.com...

Republicans are a party of non-interventionism and anti-war.

LMAO! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?!
IRAQ???
AFGHANISTAN???
IRAQ AGAIN?!?!
CALLS FOR INVASION IN SYRIA?!?!

Ron Paul: "Why should we not be talking about foreign policy that used to be part of the Republican party. Mr. Republican Robert Taft didn't even want us to be in NATO. This is a Republican message, I defend the platform.

In 1952, we Republicans were elected to stop the war in Korea. In 1968, we were elected to stop the war in Vietnam."

- Got out of Iraq exactly how Bush laid out the plan.

Conservatives don't accept Bush. Rand and Cruz oppose his policies.

You.are.dillusional.

Jeb Bush is rejected by 90% of Conservatives, I'd say that's in large part because they're tired of the Bush's and tired of squishy Republicans.

Again, Republicans are the party of peace. Robert Taft and Goldwater were against intervention. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a single weapon.

oh.my.god.
The stupidity.
(see above)

Truth hurts.

The Democrat Party's 'Progressive' History of War
http://www.ijreview.com...

"For half a century, Democrats were the party more supportive of military intervention. Democrat Woodrow Wilson, after winning re-election as the man who kept us out of war, called for a declaration of war against Germany six months later. He got it, with 50-some dissents.

In the 1930s, Republican ranks included more isolationists than interventionists, and vice versa for Democrats.

Franklin Roosevelt scrambled to send arms to beleaguered Britain and cut off oil sales (when the U.S. produced most of the world's oil) to hostile Japan.

Democratic presidents led America into wars in Korea and Vietnam, with death tolls more than 10 times what we have suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That was the history Bob Dole was referring to when he talked of "Democrat wars"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

And then Obama imposed the payroll tax on the poor and middle class in January 2012.
You realize payroll taxes are for employers. NOT employee's right? Jesus are you stupid.

"The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington put the total at 77.1 percent of all wage earners. In fact, "More than 80 percent of households with incomes between $50,000 and $200,000 would pay higher taxes. Among the households facing higher taxes, the average increase would be $1,635, the policy center said," according to a Bloomberg News article. Hilariously, the tax burden will rise more for someone making $30,000 a year (1.7 percent) than it does for someone earning $500,000 annually (1.3 percent).

A whole new wave of Obama supporters still don"t even know: They"ll get their first 2013 paychecks on the 15th of the month."

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

And Obamacare is crippling the financial stability of middle class Americans.
factually: no.
They can enter the "shark pool" if they cannot afford it.

Taxpayers Don't Yet Know Just How Much Obamacare Will Cost Them -- The Hidden Cost
http://www.usnews.com...

Obamacare Will Wreck U.S. Taxpayers
http://www.forbes.com...

Dems have already exposed themselves as the far left death panel redistributionists.

Oh my god.

Death panels are a proto-fascist lie drafted up by the extreme right-wing to scare the masses into opposing Obamacare. They do NOT exist.

Paul Krugman: 'Death Panels and Sales Taxes is How We Do This'
http://www.policymic.com...

Sarah Palin "Death Panels" Confirmed By Howard Dean (Democrat, former DNC Chairman)
http://www.inquisitr.com...

"The Affordable Care Act contains provisions for "death panels," which decide which critically-ill patients receive care and which won't, according to Mark Halperin, senior political analyst for Time magazine.

"It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled," Halperin told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Furthermore, the dems are capitalists. The far left (socialists and marxists) actually denounced FDR for betraying their values for not overhauling the capitalist system. They might not like complete free-markets, but that does not make them anti-capitalists. You idiot.

They demonize corporations, they hate rich people, criticize profit, praise Occupy, support taxing and regulating businesses into oblivion, they support the entitlement/welfare state, they support redistribution.

That is not Capitalist.

The far right represents common sense: free market, limited government, individual liberty.

And the representation of totalitarianism, voided civil liberties, Adolf Hitler, and the deaths of labor rights.

Small government and decentralized government is the opposite of totalitarianism. Hitler was a collectivist, Conservativism promotes individualism. The right is not against the right of workers to organize, they oppose forced union membership and dues. Even Bill O'Reilly is in a union.
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11/27/2013 1:44:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 1:57:08 PM, slo1 wrote:

Nothing. They just need to wait for the Republicans to self implode when the Repub candidates move to woo the evangelical and other very conservative members to get the party nod .

Tea Party insiders have indicated that they will not campaign on social values, their winning strategy is economics and limited government.

Because that worked out soooooo well in the last elections right?

If you look back at the obama years despite the right lamenting the destruction of the american way they have been relatively conservative.

- They promote the continued erosion of American individual rights as allowed by the Patriot act. (I put that as a negative, but many see security as a positive.)

Rand Paul is a Tea Party leader and he opposes the Patriot Act.

- Aggressive use of drones

Republicans are a party of non-interventionism and anti-war.

Iraq, Iraq the second time, Afghanistan, many wanted to Intervene in Syria and Libya, Invasion of Panama, Invasion of Grenada, Lebanese Civil War, and thats just off the top of my head.

- Got out of Iraq exactly how Bush laid out the plan.

Conservatives don't accept Bush. Rand and Cruz oppose his policies.

Neither of them were even in office until years after Bush already left, and Cruz was part of the team that helped get Bush elected in 2000. Try again

- Foreign policy with the one exception of publically disagreeing with Israel on settlements. (Although they disagreed, Obama's admin stopped a UN resolution reprimanding Israel's continued expansion in the West Bank)

Again, Republicans are the party of peace. Robert Taft and Goldwater were against intervention. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a single weapon.

He proposed putting lasers in space and massively increased the production of nuclear weapons, and I recall this little scandal that reagan got in called 'Iran-contra' that disagrees with your claim.

- Many of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent.

And then Obama imposed the payroll tax on the poor and middle class in January 2012. And Obamacare is crippling the financial stability of middle class Americans.

Quite honestly, the Dems just need to sell themselves as the Centrist party when all the Repub candidates are pandering to the far right.

Dems have already exposed themselves as the far left death panel redistributionists.

The far right represents common sense: free market, limited government, individual liberty.

I didnt respond to any of the other points because they were too massively retarded to even garner a response
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11/27/2013 1:46:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

They should lie low and wait for the GOP to make complete idiots out of themselves again..... Knowing the GOP it will happen sooner or later, my bet is that one by one they all start firing off retarded comments about abortion, rape, birth control, etc that just completely pisses off the public
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11/27/2013 2:14:02 AM
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At 11/27/2013 1:44:44 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Tea Party insiders have indicated that they will not campaign on social values, their winning strategy is economics and limited government.

Because that worked out soooooo well in the last elections right?

Romney didn't stand up for the free market loud and proud, he was shy about it because Dems shamed his tenure at Baine Capital. He also wasn't preaching that much limited government. He was far too moderate.

Rand Paul has the winning message that appeals to a majority.

Republicans are a party of non-interventionism and anti-war.

Iraq, Iraq the second time, Afghanistan, many wanted to Intervene in Syria and Libya, Invasion of Panama, Invasion of Grenada, Lebanese Civil War, and thats just off the top of my head.

See earlier post.

Conservatives don't accept Bush. Rand and Cruz oppose his policies.

Neither of them were even in office until years after Bush already left, and Cruz was part of the team that helped get Bush elected in 2000. Try again

Cruz went against President George W. Bush to defend U.S. sovereignty against the UN and the World Court.

"This case raised foundational structural issues concerning the Constitution"in particular, the separation of powers, and restraints on unchecked executive authority," Cruz said. President George W. Bush had issued a memorandum, telling state courts to comply with a related World Court ruling. "The question was whether the president of the United States could order a state court to obey the World Court. The Supreme Court agreed with Texas."

http://www.law.harvard.edu...

Again, Republicans are the party of peace. Robert Taft and Goldwater were against intervention. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a single weapon.

He proposed putting lasers in space and massively increased the production of nuclear weapons, and I recall this little scandal that reagan got in called 'Iran-contra' that disagrees with your claim.

Iran-Contras were part of the Reagan Doctrine to provide military support for movements against Soviet-supported communist governments.

At least he was giving arms to the anti-communist Contras unlike Obama who loves giving arms to Al Queda and Al Nusra in Syria who rip out hearts and eat body parts, his flooding of America with radical Muslim terrorists, and his appointments of Muslim Brotherhood agents in his administration.

That's the policy you support.
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11/27/2013 2:52:08 AM
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Since you will probably react naively and not believe the facts I am presenting:

ABC News Uncovers Obama Admin Has Flooded America With Islamic Terrorists Disguised As Iraqi Refugees
http://beforeitsnews.com...
http://abcnews.go.com...

The Muslim Brotherhood Infiltrates Obama Administration, list of agents:

Arif Alikhan " Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Mohammed Elibiary " Homeland Security Adviser.
Rashad Hussain " Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the Islamic Conference.
Salam al-Marayati " Obama Adviser, founder of Muslim Public Affairs Council and its current executive director.
Imam Mohamed Magid " Obama"s Sharia Czar, Islamic Society of North America.
Eboo Patel " Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Links between Muslim Brotherhood and Obama administration
http://www.voltairenet.org...

Muslim Brotherhood Linked to Malik Obama and Obama Admin.
http://www.thenewamerican.com...

Allen West: Muslim Brotherhood 'Infiltrated' Obama Administration
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Obama waives anti-terrorism provisions to arm Syrian rebels
http://rt.com...

How Obama arms al Qaeda
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

First Syria rebels armed and trained by CIA 'on way to battlefield'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

President Obama OKs Shipment of Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria
http://thenewamerican.com...
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11/27/2013 8:15:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 1:57:08 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

Nothing. They just need to wait for the Republicans to self implode when the Repub candidates move to woo the evangelical and other very conservative members to get the party nod .

Tea Party insiders have indicated that they will not campaign on social values, their winning strategy is economics and limited government.

If you look back at the obama years despite the right lamenting the destruction of the american way they have been relatively conservative.

- They promote the continued erosion of American individual rights as allowed by the Patriot act. (I put that as a negative, but many see security as a positive.)

Rand Paul is a Tea Party leader and he opposes the Patriot Act.

- Aggressive use of drones

Republicans are a party of non-interventionism and anti-war.

- Got out of Iraq exactly how Bush laid out the plan.

Conservatives don't accept Bush. Rand and Cruz oppose his policies.

- Foreign policy with the one exception of publically disagreeing with Israel on settlements. (Although they disagreed, Obama's admin stopped a UN resolution reprimanding Israel's continued expansion in the West Bank)

Again, Republicans are the party of peace. Robert Taft and Goldwater were against intervention. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a single weapon.

- Many of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent.

And then Obama imposed the payroll tax on the poor and middle class in January 2012. And Obamacare is crippling the financial stability of middle class Americans.

Quite honestly, the Dems just need to sell themselves as the Centrist party when all the Repub candidates are pandering to the far right.

Dems have already exposed themselves as the far left death panel redistributionists.

The far right represents common sense: free market, limited government, individual liberty.

Your sense of what the tea party is and isn't is very distorted. I've already posted plenty of examples of showing how Ted Cruz is an evangelical conservative with religious belief that can not be separated from his policies and you ignore it. Just because he and the Tea Party tries to downplay it does not mean it can be swept under the rug or assumed it does not exist.

We will see if Rand Paul can keep his integrity and not pander to the evangelical crowd. Make no question about it, as a true libertarian he is a minority in the Tea Party.

PS. That bit about the Republicans being the party of peace made me fall off my chair in laughter. Libertarians are the only party I would trust to turn to war as a last resort.

In fact, take a look at Ted Cruz's letter that bashes Obama and the Iran agreement. He has already publicly come out and implied that the US needs to support Israel unconditionally for biblical reasons. Here he is bashing, with some valid points, that the agreement will never stop Iran from developing nukes.

His answer though is to continue sanctions, which since the US granted exceptions to China, India and a handful of other countries would eventually just shift the oil exports to those nations so Iran does not get its money hung up in a financial institution that has to freeze the account.

When you follow the complete trail of logic Ted Cruz, he is painting himself in a corner. The only way he can eliminate the Iran nuclear threat is to eventually create WAR, which if you go back and read about his commitment to Israel at all costs, is quite a complimentary belief. He is not anti-war. He is for God justified war.

Your commitment to the tea party though is founded on misguided opinion and ignored facts. If you want to be a libertarian be a libertarian, but be careful of the beliefs you ignore to have the impression that you are surrounded by many like minded persons.
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11/27/2013 10:16:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 11:55:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/26/2013 10:04:36 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

This is going downhill fast for them, and it's not going to get better. Imagine what will happen if 80 million people lose they're employer-covered plans like predicted - we've only had 5 million lose right now and that's taken away all Democratic momentum.

The only Democratic hope is to desperately cling to the Obamacare ship so they can hold the Senate. Everyone will be pissed at them, but it will be much harder for the GOP to gain it in 2016 than in 2014. But safe seats are now becoming unsafe. There are a total of 3 seats the GOP is basically guaranteed to win (Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia), at least 6 seats that are looking like toss ups (Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Iowa, Michigan, and North Carolina), and 4 seats that could become competitive (Colorado, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Oregon).That's a total of 13 seats, and that's not even including seats like Virginia or Illinois that could become competitive in the right circumstance. The GOP only needs to win six of these seats to take the Senate, and there are only two seats the Democrats could actually pick up - Kentucky and Georgia, neither of which are looking like they'll flip.

I wouldn't put it past the GOP to nominate some douchebag who causes them to lose a seat or two, but it is not looking good for Dems when there are 13 competitive seats the GOP could pick up.

Considering that most of those Democrats are Blue Dogs who vote against every liberal thing proposed, it's not really a loss to the Democrats. The Republicans win those seats either way. Nice try though :)

You have no idea what you are talking about. Let's consider Kay Hagan, a senator from my state. She's voted with Obama 96% of the time. How is that even remotely 'moderate', let alone 'conservative'?
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11/27/2013 11:30:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2013 8:15:47 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The far right represents common sense: free market, limited government, individual liberty.

Your sense of what the tea party is and isn't is very distorted. I've already posted plenty of examples of showing how Ted Cruz is an evangelical conservative with religious belief that can not be separated from his policies and you ignore it.

Plenty of examples? You only showed one legitimate example and that was his defense of Israel as a Christian. The problem is, he would support Israel regardless because they are an ally and agree they need to be protected from the hostile region. The Vatican created the radical Muslims to take over Jerusalem and we must not let either of them take over Israel regardless of your religion.

You can't name me one policy Cruz supports that is based on religion. Ron Paul is a Christian pro-lifer and no one accuses him of being a religious zealot who's views are dictated by religion.

Just because he and the Tea Party tries to downplay it does not mean it can be swept under the rug or assumed it does not exist.

The young Ted Cruz was indoctrinated not by religion, but by economics.

"Rafael Edward Cruz' Conservative baptism came at 13, when his parents enrolled him in an after-school program in Houston that was run by a local nonprofit called the Free Enterprise Education Center.

Storey's foundation was part of a late-Cold War growth spurt in conservative youth outreach. The goal was to groom a new generation of true believers in the glory of the free market.

Storey lavished his students with books by Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises, political theorist Frederic Bastiat, and libertarian firebrand Murray Rothbard"and hammered home his teachings with a catechism called the Ten Pillars of Economic Wisdom."

As you can see, this is what guides his politics. He doesn't cite Jesus in order to support his policies of free market low taxes. So, quite frankly, you are dead wrong on this issue.

We will see if Rand Paul can keep his integrity and not pander to the evangelical crowd. Make no question about it, as a true libertarian he is a minority in the Tea Party.

You need to learn the roots of people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and the Tea Party. It goes back to the John Birch Society, they are the ideological fathers Cruz and Paul and the biological fathers of the Koch Brothers.

"The John Birch Society (JBS) is an American political advocacy group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a constitutional republic and personal freedom. It has been described as radical right-wing.

The organization identifies with Christian principles, seeks to limit governmental powers, and opposes wealth redistribution, and economic interventionism. It opposes collectivism, totalitarianism, and communism. It opposes socialism as well, which it asserts is infiltrating US governmental administration."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

You don't understand the difference between being a Christian in your personal life vs. Christianity being the basis of your political philosophy. That have an independent political philosophy informed by economists and the founders, not Jesus. They just happen to support Jesus as well.

PS. That bit about the Republicans being the party of peace made me fall off my chair in laughter. Libertarians are the only party I would trust to turn to war as a last resort.

Democrats get us into wars and the Republicans are elected to get us out of wars. All you people can say is Bush Bush Bush. Guess what, H.W. Bush is the one who signed into law the eco-fascist progressive U.N. Agenda 21. Doesn't sound like a Republican to me.

In fact, take a look at Ted Cruz's letter that bashes Obama and the Iran agreement. He has already publicly come out and implied that the US needs to support Israel unconditionally for biblical reasons. Here he is bashing, with some valid points, that the agreement will never stop Iran from developing nukes.

His answer though is to continue sanctions, which since the US granted exceptions to China, India and a handful of other countries would eventually just shift the oil exports to those nations so Iran does not get its money hung up in a financial institution that has to freeze the account.

When you follow the complete trail of logic Ted Cruz, he is painting himself in a corner. The only way he can eliminate the Iran nuclear threat is to eventually create WAR, which if you go back and read about his commitment to Israel at all costs, is quite a complimentary belief. He is not anti-war. He is for God justified war.

Obama's "peace deal" is an initiation of war and will lead to a nuclear arms race.

The sanctions have been successful in suffocating Iran. A true deal would be if you destroy your nuclear developments we will let your economy recover.

Your commitment to the tea party though is founded on misguided opinion and ignored facts. If you want to be a libertarian be a libertarian, but be careful of the beliefs you ignore to have the impression that you are surrounded by many like minded persons.

Sorry, I have more knowledge about the roots of the Tea Party. I bet you didn't even know that Ron Paul and the Koch Brothers created the Tea Party in 1984. It's roots are Libertarian, not evangelical. Barry Goldwater hated the fundamentalism of Rick Santorum. Yet you wrongly try to paint the Tea Party as a bunch of Santorums when the fact is Santorum is irrelevant to the Tea Party.
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11/27/2013 1:45:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2013 11:30:45 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/27/2013 8:15:47 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The far right represents common sense: free market, limited government, individual liberty.

Your sense of what the tea party is and isn't is very distorted. I've already posted plenty of examples of showing how Ted Cruz is an evangelical conservative with religious belief that can not be separated from his policies and you ignore it.

Plenty of examples? You only showed one legitimate example and that was his defense of Israel as a Christian. The problem is, he would support Israel regardless because they are an ally and agree they need to be protected from the hostile region. The Vatican created the radical Muslims to take over Jerusalem and we must not let either of them take over Israel regardless of your religion.

You can't name me one policy Cruz supports that is based on religion. Ron Paul is a Christian pro-lifer and no one accuses him of being a religious zealot who's views are dictated by religion.

Just because he and the Tea Party tries to downplay it does not mean it can be swept under the rug or assumed it does not exist.

The young Ted Cruz was indoctrinated not by religion, but by economics.

"Rafael Edward Cruz' Conservative baptism came at 13, when his parents enrolled him in an after-school program in Houston that was run by a local nonprofit called the Free Enterprise Education Center.

Storey's foundation was part of a late-Cold War growth spurt in conservative youth outreach. The goal was to groom a new generation of true believers in the glory of the free market.

Storey lavished his students with books by Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises, political theorist Frederic Bastiat, and libertarian firebrand Murray Rothbard"and hammered home his teachings with a catechism called the Ten Pillars of Economic Wisdom."

As you can see, this is what guides his politics. He doesn't cite Jesus in order to support his policies of free market low taxes. So, quite frankly, you are dead wrong on this issue.


We will see if Rand Paul can keep his integrity and not pander to the evangelical crowd. Make no question about it, as a true libertarian he is a minority in the Tea Party.

You need to learn the roots of people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and the Tea Party. It goes back to the John Birch Society, they are the ideological fathers Cruz and Paul and the biological fathers of the Koch Brothers.

"The John Birch Society (JBS) is an American political advocacy group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a constitutional republic and personal freedom. It has been described as radical right-wing.

The organization identifies with Christian principles, seeks to limit governmental powers, and opposes wealth redistribution, and economic interventionism. It opposes collectivism, totalitarianism, and communism. It opposes socialism as well, which it asserts is infiltrating US governmental administration."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

You don't understand the difference between being a Christian in your personal life vs. Christianity being the basis of your political philosophy. That have an independent political philosophy informed by economists and the founders, not Jesus. They just happen to support Jesus as well.

PS. That bit about the Republicans being the party of peace made me fall off my chair in laughter. Libertarians are the only party I would trust to turn to war as a last resort.

Democrats get us into wars and the Republicans are elected to get us out of wars. All you people can say is Bush Bush Bush. Guess what, H.W. Bush is the one who signed into law the eco-fascist progressive U.N. Agenda 21. Doesn't sound like a Republican to me.

In fact, take a look at Ted Cruz's letter that bashes Obama and the Iran agreement. He has already publicly come out and implied that the US needs to support Israel unconditionally for biblical reasons. Here he is bashing, with some valid points, that the agreement will never stop Iran from developing nukes.

His answer though is to continue sanctions, which since the US granted exceptions to China, India and a handful of other countries would eventually just shift the oil exports to those nations so Iran does not get its money hung up in a financial institution that has to freeze the account.

When you follow the complete trail of logic Ted Cruz, he is painting himself in a corner. The only way he can eliminate the Iran nuclear threat is to eventually create WAR, which if you go back and read about his commitment to Israel at all costs, is quite a complimentary belief. He is not anti-war. He is for God justified war.

Obama's "peace deal" is an initiation of war and will lead to a nuclear arms race.

The sanctions have been successful in suffocating Iran. A true deal would be if you destroy your nuclear developments we will let your economy recover.

Your commitment to the tea party though is founded on misguided opinion and ignored facts. If you want to be a libertarian be a libertarian, but be careful of the beliefs you ignore to have the impression that you are surrounded by many like minded persons.

Sorry, I have more knowledge about the roots of the Tea Party. I bet you didn't even know that Ron Paul and the Koch Brothers created the Tea Party in 1984. It's roots are Libertarian, not evangelical. Barry Goldwater hated the fundamentalism of Rick Santorum. Yet you wrongly try to paint the Tea Party as a bunch of Santorums when the fact is Santorum is irrelevant to the Tea Party.

So are you saying that Ted Cruz was not raised by his Evangelical Pastor father (a man who ironically went to prison for fighting for wanna be communist cuba, sad but true) or are you proclaiming that he has declared his father's teachings and beliefs wrong?

I can't help you from being blind when all you need to do is open your eyes. Ted Cruz is not what you want him to be. I'll take Ron Paul and the Koch brothers any day before Ted Cruz who wants to imprison all of us to his Christian style sharia law. What good is economic freedom without the freedom of belief. Sound lot like the way China is going?
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11/27/2013 3:50:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2013 1:45:00 PM, slo1 wrote:
... I'll take Ron Paul and the Koch brothers any day before Ted Cruz who wants to imprison all of us to his Christian style sharia law.

I can't say I watch it much, but this should definitely be on the Weekly Stupid.
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11/27/2013 4:02:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

Improve on ACA. It will naturally improve with time as well. Launches are always bug-prone.
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11/27/2013 4:20:20 PM
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At 11/26/2013 10:28:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/26/2013 8:39:43 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I know 2014 is still far away, but any thoughts on this? What should Democrats do in order to regain ground lost due to the ACA?

The ACA isn't going to hurt Democrats in the 2014 midterms. The reason is not because the ACA was not harmful, but because of how the Tea Partiers chose to fight it. The net loss will be on the Republicans.

Are you kidding? The ACA is the gift that keeps on giving for the GOP. The law is raining hell on voters. By the governments own estimates, tens of millions more are expected to hit next year. Even if they do finally get the website working before midterms, that only means people will sooner learn of lost docors, higher premiums, and huge deductibles.

Basically, it doesn't matter how the Tea Partiers chose to fight it. The Democrats held both chambers of congress as well as the White house and used their power to create a bunch of useless government programs and massive debt all while failing to pass a single budget. Republicans will have the advantage solely because they are the alternative to the Democrats.
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11/27/2013 7:39:46 PM
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What the crap? After all of the 'holier-than-thou' attitude and religious dogma that has been stemming from the right, and they are gaining ground?

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11/27/2013 11:16:20 PM
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At 11/27/2013 1:45:00 PM, slo1 wrote:
So are you saying that Ted Cruz was not raised by his Evangelical Pastor father

He was. But it does not then follow that religion is the basis of his political policies. I was raised in a private Catholic school, that doesn't mean I'm a Libertarian because of that.

(a man who ironically went to prison for fighting for wanna be communist cuba, sad but true)

"He fought for communist revolutionary Fidel Castro in the Cuban Revolution[19][20] when he was 14 years old, but "didn't know Castro was a Communist." A few years later he became a staunch critic of Castro when "the rebel leader took control and began seizing private property and suppressing dissent."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org...

or are you proclaiming that he has declared his father's teachings and beliefs wrong?

I'm claiming that his Christian beliefs are personal.

I can't help you from being blind when all you need to do is open your eyes. Ted Cruz is not what you want him to be.

Ted Cruz is endorsed by Ron Paul, funded by the John Birch Society, has an astonishing track record of defending Liberty, and associates with Alex Jones.

I'll take Ron Paul and the Koch brothers any day before Ted Cruz who wants to imprison all of us to his Christian style sharia law. What good is economic freedom without the freedom of belief. Sound lot like the way China is going?

Ted Cruz has never proposed a bill called the "Convert to Christianity Now or Else Act."

You can't show me one policy proposal of Ted Cruz' that violates freedom of belief. You are the one who supports the IRS who persecutes citizens for their thoughts and even the content of their prayers.
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11/28/2013 11:02:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2013 2:14:02 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/27/2013 1:44:44 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/26/2013 7:29:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Tea Party insiders have indicated that they will not campaign on social values, their winning strategy is economics and limited government.

Because that worked out soooooo well in the last elections right?

Romney didn't stand up for the free market loud and proud, he was shy about it because Dems shamed his tenure at Baine Capital. He also wasn't preaching that much limited government. He was far too moderate.

Rand Paul has the winning message that appeals to a majority.

Only an idiot sincerely believes that though. Rand Paul doesn't have a winning message that appeals to the majority, he just hops on any bandwagon he can find and try to stand out since he's an attention whore, like his daddy

Conservatives don't accept Bush. Rand and Cruz oppose his policies.

Neither of them were even in office until years after Bush already left, and Cruz was part of the team that helped get Bush elected in 2000. Try again

Cruz went against President George W. Bush to defend U.S. sovereignty against the UN and the World Court.

"This case raised foundational structural issues concerning the Constitution"in particular, the separation of powers, and restraints on unchecked executive authority," Cruz said. President George W. Bush had issued a memorandum, telling state courts to comply with a related World Court ruling. "The question was whether the president of the United States could order a state court to obey the World Court. The Supreme Court agreed with Texas."

http://www.law.harvard.edu...

That isn't nearly enough to prove that Cruz has always been against Bush though. You can't take one instance and then use that to claim he is always against bush 100%

Again, Republicans are the party of peace. Robert Taft and Goldwater were against intervention. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a single weapon.

He proposed putting lasers in space and massively increased the production of nuclear weapons, and I recall this little scandal that reagan got in called 'Iran-contra' that disagrees with your claim.

Iran-Contras were part of the Reagan Doctrine to provide military support for movements against Soviet-supported communist governments.

No dipsh**, he gave them arms in exchange for the release of hostages in Lebanon, communism had nothing to do with it

At least he was giving arms to the anti-communist Contras unlike Obama who loves giving arms to Al Queda and Al Nusra in Syria who rip out hearts and eat body parts, his flooding of America with radical Muslim terrorists, and his appointments of Muslim Brotherhood agents in his administration.

That's the policy you support.

Apparently the only thing more retarded then your perception of history is you're perception of the present
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