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inferno
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12/5/2013 3:58:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
This just in...............Nelson Mandela has died at age 95. More on this later you guys. But the first South African President is dead. Your thoughts on this great man.
Thank you.
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12/6/2013 10:42:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/5/2013 3:58:13 PM, inferno wrote:
This just in...............Nelson Mandela has died at age 95. More on this later you guys. But the first South African President is dead. Your thoughts on this great man.
Thank you.



Well I guess that many of you do not understand the significance of this mans accomplishments in life. But if it were not for him and any other activist, you probably would not be free.
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12/6/2013 1:06:51 PM
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At 12/6/2013 10:42:10 AM, inferno wrote:
At 12/5/2013 3:58:13 PM, inferno wrote:
This just in...............Nelson Mandela has died at age 95. More on this later you guys. But the first South African President is dead. Your thoughts on this great man.
Thank you.



Well I guess that many of you do not understand the significance of this mans accomplishments in life. But if it were not for him and any other activist, you probably would not be free.

The MK was a horrible abomination of an organization.
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12/9/2013 9:43:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/6/2013 1:06:51 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 12/6/2013 10:42:10 AM, inferno wrote:
At 12/5/2013 3:58:13 PM, inferno wrote:
This just in...............Nelson Mandela has died at age 95. More on this later you guys. But the first South African President is dead. Your thoughts on this great man.
Thank you.



Well I guess that many of you do not understand the significance of this mans accomplishments in life. But if it were not for him and any other activist, you probably would not be free.

The MK was a horrible abomination of an organization.

Explain.
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12/9/2013 11:32:56 PM
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At 12/6/2013 10:42:10 AM, inferno wrote:
Well I guess that many of you do not understand the significance of this mans accomplishments in life. But if it were not for him and any other activist, you probably would not be free.

"Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela"s MK terrorists.

Mandela was friendly with dictators."

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12/10/2013 10:01:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Does smiling for cool photo ops with the spice girls makes up for blowing up kids during terrorist attacks, setting up a country that is the murder and rape capital of the world, and decreasing the GDP per capita by 40% through nationalization of industries?
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12/10/2013 11:50:05 AM
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Does smiling for cool photo ops with the spice girls makes up for blowing up kids during terrorist attacks, setting up a country that is the murder and rape capital of the world, and decreasing the GDP per capita by 40% through nationalization of industries?

Its a bit more complicated then that. Mandela was part of a terrorist group, sure, but a terrorist group bred in response to the instigating and far greater terrorist; the White South African Apartheid government. OF the bombing Mandela took part in, most of them were intended to cause mayhem and structural damage, not kill civilians.

Regardless, the reason Mandela is considered a hero, much like Malcolm X, was his evolution inside prison, from a violent freedom fighter, to an intellectual leader, ready to extend his hand in forgiveness and progress, rather then drawback a fist in hatred.

For instance, Mandela was far less a terrorist then anyone in the US/European governments, who instigate macro-terror on the world stage, compared to Mandela, who was essentially a freedom fighter.

The economic struggles of South Africa are irrelevant. What's more important, freedom/equality, or money?
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12/10/2013 4:02:24 PM
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At 12/10/2013 11:50:05 AM, HPWKA wrote:
Does smiling for cool photo ops with the spice girls makes up for blowing up kids during terrorist attacks, setting up a country that is the murder and rape capital of the world, and decreasing the GDP per capita by 40% through nationalization of industries?

Its a bit more complicated then that. Mandela was part of a terrorist group, sure, but a terrorist group bred in response to the instigating and far greater terrorist; the White South African Apartheid government. OF the bombing Mandela took part in, most of them were intended to cause mayhem and structural damage, not kill civilians.

Regardless, the reason Mandela is considered a hero, much like Malcolm X, was his evolution inside prison, from a violent freedom fighter, to an intellectual leader, ready to extend his hand in forgiveness and progress, rather then drawback a fist in hatred.

For instance, Mandela was far less a terrorist then anyone in the US/European governments, who instigate macro-terror on the world stage, compared to Mandela, who was essentially a freedom fighter.

The economic struggles of South Africa are irrelevant. What's more important, freedom/equality, or money?

Freedom apparently. But he was forgiven for these acts of treason. Its no different than when the US under the so called regime sends troops overseas to die for oil and other resources. Mandela was praised for what he did for his country more than he was jeered. And the reaction you see from people now debunks any extreme views about this mans legacy.
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12/11/2013 12:29:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Despite his past actions of terrorism, Nelson Mandela is considered a hero since he not only freed a single racial group from oppression by another, but also the freedom of individuals in all racial groups. What he did before he became president of South Africa was terrorism, I agree, but I also agree with Inferno, stating that it stemmed out of the necessity against the the Apartheid Regime. One cannot enter a passive protest if the opposition you are challenging does not want to be passive and uses force to implement a corrupt and unfair system upon you.

You asked which is better, freedom or money... I say to you both. One cannot truly live free if one cannot afford the basic necessities and services. One cannot be free if you are ruled by wealth. For freedom to succeed, people need opportunities that can be sustained economically wise, otherwise, crime and corruption will rear it's head. I also wish to remind Wallstreetatheist that the topic was what our thoughts were on Nelson Mandela, not the statistics of South Africa, nor the economic stance the current government wants to implement/has implemented. I'm sure if he/she/they/it pulled any other country's statistics that he/she/they/it will see that there isn't much difference between South Africa and another, however that is not the topic being discussed.

My feelings about this man is mixed. I have respect for what he has achieved. I also know that the choices he made, weighed heavily in his heart and that he never meant to harm any civilians. I also have to say I cannot but help admire a man who only wanted to unify a nation, despite his actions. I do however feel, that their way of opposing the Apartheid Regime was flawed and unjust (in the killing of innocence), but every great leader in history, had to make hard and sometimes, incriminating choices to advance his/her/their nation, or to free them of tyranny.

However, if this was Robert Mugabe, who fought to free his people from oppression and then violate their human rights, this would have been a totally different matter of discussion. I urge you to therefore not see this man as a terrorist, but as a liberator, for a terrorist is what Mugabe is, and always will be. Perhaps you should turn your attention to countries like Zimbabwe, who truly need your political support, over a country mourning the loss of a leader, which fought for freedom, not only for his people, but for the entire South African country.