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12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.
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12/8/2013 10:55:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'd say I'm pretty excellent in politics
but there are better ones than me
Jvava is the go-to for politics
thett3 is another
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12/8/2013 11:46:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

You should be reading actual political commentary by experts, not posts on a forum by anonymous strangers.

If you want to know what's politically accurate, I suggest reading the Guardian, Salon, RT News, and a bunch of Noam Chomsky.

You may not agree with their views, but those sources will give you solid info, at least compared to the other garbage you'll find.
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12/8/2013 11:58:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 11:46:26 PM, HPWKA wrote:
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

You should be reading actual political commentary by experts, not posts on a forum by anonymous strangers.

If you want to know what's politically accurate, I suggest reading the Guardian, Salon, RT News, and a bunch of Noam Chomsky.

You may not agree with their views, but those sources will give you solid info, at least compared to the other garbage you'll find.

I already know which sites to go to, I'm more interested in a discussion group I can keep in contact with.
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12/9/2013 7:41:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

If you want political philosophy, feel free to message me. If you send me a pm, I'll pass along my academic e-mail, and we can talk through that medium (I use this site less and less, but I always use my academic e-mail for these things). If you want politics in practice, or especially American politics, you'd be hard pressed to do better than wrichcirw or RoyLatham. DanT to an extent, but there are occasionally some iffy statements (like his view of the left-right spectrum) which needs a pinch of salt, though I am probably devaluing him because we disagree.
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12/9/2013 8:34:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Thett3.
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12/10/2013 6:04:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

Definitely would recommend Stephen_Hawkins. He's absolutely brilliant politically, and is a natural born teacher (at least from what I've seen of his posts).
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12/10/2013 9:37:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2013 6:04:13 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

Definitely would recommend Stephen_Hawkins. He's absolutely brilliant politically, and is a natural born teacher (at least from what I've seen of his posts).

I want to eagerly second this statement. Another keen intellect is the (now dormant) Danielle.
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12/10/2013 9:53:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Argue with everyone until they convince you, don't zero in on a guru.
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12/10/2013 11:18:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Smartest on Conservativism: RoyLantham

Smartest on Liberalism: Danielle

Smartest on Libertarianism: Cody_Franklin

Smartest on Centrism: Ore_Ele

Or you could talk to me when it comes to shunning politics all together.
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12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

The last person you want to ask about politics is a political major. They are most likely indoctrinated and unable to be even remotely unbiased. 90% of all professors on college campuses are self described communists, Marxists or liberal progressive. It is unlikely you would get any kind of intellectual honesty on political issues.

http://www.insidehighered.com...

http://www.conservapedia.com...

http://chronicle.com...

Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth. They will be intellectually honest as they can't fake making a payroll with spin and rhetoric. And they will tell you everything that govt does to make it harder and harder to meet a payroll everyday because they have to live and comply with it. Govt does not live by any fiscal rules, it just prints and barrows money and gives lip service and vilify the producers.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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12/14/2013 11:51:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

If you are interested in a more unbiased opinion I would suggest myself. I am not sure how many DDO users have done ideological leaps but I certainly have.

Two years ago, I was a libertarian socialist who was protectionist, anti-corporatist, pro-Chavez, pro-living wage, anti-interventionist, anti-capitalist, and pro-universal healthcare. I don't have those beliefs any more at all. Now I am a Neoconservative who is pro-free trade, pro-military intervention, anti-minimum wage, and anti-socialist.

If you want someone who has a diverse amount of experiences, I'm interested in talking.
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12/14/2013 5:35:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2013 11:18:50 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Smartest on Conservativism: RoyLantham

Smartest on Liberalism: Danielle

Smartest on Anarchism: Cody_Franklin

Smartest on Centrism: Ore_Ele

Or you could talk to me when it comes to shunning politics altogether.

yeah, but Danielle's a voluntaryist anarchist now
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12/14/2013 5:48:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2013 11:18:50 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Smartest on Conservativism: RoyLantham

Smartest on Liberalism: Danielle

Smartest on Libertarianism: Cody_Franklin

Smartest on Centrism: Ore_Ele

Smartest on Reality: The mouthwash you all know and love. BRRRRRR-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-NG!!

Or you could talk to me when it comes to shunning politics all together.

So you've given up radical socialism? How many ideologies have you gone through on your time on DDO?
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12/14/2013 5:49:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

The last person you want to ask about politics is a political major. They are most likely indoctrinated and unable to be even remotely unbiased. 90% of all professors on college campuses are self described communists, Marxists or liberal progressive. It is unlikely you would get any kind of intellectual honesty on political issues.

http://www.insidehighered.com...

http://www.conservapedia.com...

http://chronicle.com...

Did you actually just cite Conservapedia?
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12/14/2013 8:09:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/14/2013 5:49:39 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.


The last person you want to ask about politics is a political major. They are most likely indoctrinated and unable to be even remotely unbiased. 90% of all professors on college campuses are self described communists, Marxists or liberal progressive. It is unlikely you would get any kind of intellectual honesty on political issues.

http://www.insidehighered.com...

http://www.conservapedia.com...

http://chronicle.com...

Did you actually just cite Conservapedia?

I gave three sources, count them, 3, all say generally the same thing. Cant please anyone on this site. What is wrong with the other two? Or dose my posting a source you don't like cancel all three.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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12/15/2013 4:34:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2013 11:18:50 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Smartest on Conservativism: RoyLantham

Smartest on Liberalism: Danielle

Smartest on Libertarianism: Cody_Franklin

Smartest on Centrism: Ore_Ele

Or you could talk to me when it comes to shunning politics all together.

Do I get to be smartest on socialism, by virtue of being the only regular socialist?
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12/16/2013 8:50:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
airmax and tuf. duh
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12/17/2013 3:11:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

The last person you want to ask about politics is a political major. They are most likely indoctrinated and unable to be even remotely unbiased. 90% of all professors on college campuses are self described communists, Marxists or liberal progressive. It is unlikely you would get any kind of intellectual honesty on political issues.

http://www.insidehighered.com...

http://www.conservapedia.com...

http://chronicle.com...

Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth. They will be intellectually honest as they can't fake making a payroll with spin and rhetoric. And they will tell you everything that govt does to make it harder and harder to meet a payroll everyday because they have to live and comply with it. Govt does not live by any fiscal rules, it just prints and barrows money and gives lip service and vilify the producers.

Those are the last people I want to ask... Those are the people who let Fox and CNN dictate what they believe and rule over their existence... Those morons don't even understand how the debt works... They actually thought Obama had shut down the Amber Alert system during the shutdown (I can write a million page book on all the problems with that theory, and how retarded you have to be to believe it.)

The key is to listen to Political Majors from all 4 sides of the topic.
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12/17/2013 1:10:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth.

Average Joes run businesses? That's a lot of businesses. It's a wonder that there are enough people left over for them to hire, let alone vicariously create wealth through.
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12/17/2013 1:52:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/17/2013 3:11:28 AM, donald.keller wrote:
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

The last person you want to ask about politics is a political major. They are most likely indoctrinated and unable to be even remotely unbiased. 90% of all professors on college campuses are self described communists, Marxists or liberal progressive. It is unlikely you would get any kind of intellectual honesty on political issues.

http://www.insidehighered.com...

http://www.conservapedia.com...

http://chronicle.com...

Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth. They will be intellectually honest as they can't fake making a payroll with spin and rhetoric. And they will tell you everything that govt does to make it harder and harder to meet a payroll everyday because they have to live and comply with it. Govt does not live by any fiscal rules, it just prints and barrows money and gives lip service and vilify the producers.

Those are the last people I want to ask... Those are the people who let Fox and CNN dictate what they believe and rule over their existence... Those morons don't even understand how the debt works... They actually thought Obama had shut down the Amber Alert system during the shutdown (I can write a million page book on all the problems with that theory, and how retarded you have to be to believe it.)

The key is to listen to Political Majors from all 4 sides of the topic.

Agree, and will add that for international politics it's even more difficult to get an "unbiased" perspective. Academic papers and books on the country in question written by PhDs with field experience are probably the only reliable source, and even then there is evident bias.

Anyway, thanks Stephen_Hawkins for the hat-tip, I return in kind. I think SH is one of the most accessible in regards to political theory on this website.
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12/17/2013 10:37:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/17/2013 1:10:34 PM, CarefulNow wrote:
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth.

Average Joes run businesses? That's a lot of businesses. It's a wonder that there are enough people left over for them to hire, let alone vicariously create wealth through.

Ya average Joes run businesses. I have a business and a full time job. I work nearly 7 days a week. People like me employe 80% of the working population. I bet you think anyone who owns a business is rich.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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12/18/2013 12:42:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/17/2013 10:37:38 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/17/2013 1:10:34 PM, CarefulNow wrote:
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth.

Average Joes run businesses? That's a lot of businesses. It's a wonder that there are enough people left over for them to hire, let alone vicariously create wealth through.

Ya average Joes run businesses. I have a business and a full time job. I work nearly 7 days a week. People like me employe 80% of the working population. I bet you think anyone who owns a business is rich.

Let me clarify that further, "80% of the working people who pay taxes." People who work for the govt don't pay taxes from their wages as their wages are paid by the people who pay taxes. Govt is an expense to business. It is pointless for govt to deduct taxes from a govt workers check as all of their pay came from someone elses taxes. No wealth was ever created to pay tax on. Govt gives the "illusion" that you are paying taxes when you work for the govt by taking money out of your check. When instead it could stop wasting everyone's time by creating needless paper work to keep track of imaginary taxes collected. Now, if you take the confiscated wealth you are paid as a govt worker and put it back into the private sector and turn a profit on that investment thus creating real wealth, that would be taxable income "minus the initial principal investment" Govt represents 40% of the economy. It gets 50% of it's money from the private sector, which is money taken out of the economy to create private sector jobs that create actual wealth and the other 50% borrowed with interest which is a net loss as now the private sector has to pay that back to with interest with nothing to show for it but endless unfunded govt mandates in the hundreds of trillions of dollars years into the future. So ya, average Joes have a pretty good idea of what is going on. They can't spin their results with smoke and mirrors demagoguery and rhetoric, govt needs to get paid and it can't spend BS, unlike govt does everyday in the form of a imaginary bottomless pit of money that is 17 trillion dollars deep.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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12/18/2013 1:04:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/8/2013 10:35:36 PM, SubterFugitive wrote:
In your opinion, who would be a good person to follow, learn from etc when it comes to political matters on DDO?

I'm looking for someone who is reasonable and perhaps majors in the field.

I ask because I'm a layman about politics unfortunately, but I care deeply what's politically accurate.

I personally nominate yay842
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12/18/2013 12:10:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/17/2013 10:37:38 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/17/2013 1:10:34 PM, CarefulNow wrote:
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth.

Average Joes run businesses? That's a lot of businesses. It's a wonder that there are enough people left over for them to hire, let alone vicariously create wealth through.

Ya average Joes run businesses. I have a business and a full time job. I work nearly 7 days a week. People like me employe 80% of the working population. I bet you think anyone who owns a business is rich.

No...I think most people who aren't rich don't own businesses and don't agree with you. I'm sorry you work "nearly 7" (6?) days a week in order to keep your employees working for you instead of someone else, and I apologize in advance for the probable failure of your redundant business, but luckily you'll be able to file for bankruptcy and try again later. Small businesses already enjoy all sorts of exemptions and entitlements. Now, if you ask me, that just encourages the work-loving morons to take on even more excessive risk. But if you press a true average Joe, one who wants to redistribute wealth from the tippy-top, where profits are due more to entrenched market power than to entrepreneurship, and tell him your sob story, I think you'll find he has no problem with continuing that discriminatory regime.
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12/18/2013 12:53:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/18/2013 12:42:42 AM, sadolite wrote:
No wealth was ever created to pay tax on.

Wealth isn't necessarily created either way. A private owner can be an absentee owner, and just collect rents/interest/sales revenue, just like a government can be an absentee government, and just collect taxes. But if the work you do to increase your rents/interest/sales revenue is considered "wealth creation", why shouldn't the work the government does to increase its tax base?
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12/18/2013 1:03:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think Roy is probably the best advocate for conservatism, but that much was evident. I think there are a few budding young liberals and people who will grow up to be Republicans on here too. I think other than that, there isn't really anyone that stands out...
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12/18/2013 2:30:35 PM
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Imabench is pretty smart. He has schooled me a few times.
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12/19/2013 4:44:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/18/2013 12:10:03 PM, CarefulNow wrote:
At 12/17/2013 10:37:38 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/17/2013 1:10:34 PM, CarefulNow wrote:
At 12/13/2013 11:31:57 PM, sadolite wrote:
Talk to average Joes about politics, people who work for a living, people who run businesses and have to meet payrolls and create wealth.

Average Joes run businesses? That's a lot of businesses. It's a wonder that there are enough people left over for them to hire, let alone vicariously create wealth through.

Ya average Joes run businesses. I have a business and a full time job. I work nearly 7 days a week. People like me employe 80% of the working population. I bet you think anyone who owns a business is rich.

No...I think most people who aren't rich don't own businesses and don't agree with you. I'm sorry you work "nearly 7" (6?) days a week in order to keep your employees working for you instead of someone else, and I apologize in advance for the probable failure of your redundant business, but luckily you'll be able to file for bankruptcy and try again later. Small businesses already enjoy all sorts of exemptions and entitlements. Now, if you ask me, that just encourages the work-loving morons to take on even more excessive risk. But if you press a true average Joe, one who wants to redistribute wealth from the tippy-top, where profits are due more to entrenched market power than to entrepreneurship, and tell him your sob story, I think you'll find he has no problem with continuing that discriminatory regime.

sob story, Eh I am proud that I don't suck off my neighbor to pay my bills. What ever. Fill out your govt cheese forms.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%