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Frodobaggins
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1/10/2010 12:28:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
By May 22, a Demoskop poll showed a 7.9% support amongst Swedish voters, making the Pirate Party the third largest party.[32] A week later this had grown to 8.2% and a projected two seats in Parliament, with 21.8% support amongst people aged 18â€"29.[33] The party's top two candidates are Christian Engström and Amelia Andersdotter.

A model-based prediction for the 2009 European Parliament election by political scientists estimated June 4, 2009 that the Pirate Party could be the third largest party from Sweden, gaining 2 seats.[34]

The Pirate Party got enough votes for at least one seat of the 18 available seats Sweden has at the European Parliament,[35] getting 7.1 % of the Swedish votes.[36] As the Treaty of Lisbon has been ratified a second seat will be given to Amelia Andersdotter on December 1, 2009. The Pirate Party will join the European Greens-European Free Alliance group.[37]
Volkov
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1/10/2010 12:30:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The Pirate Parties are admirable for what they're doing, but it seems to be wasted effort. They aren't going to win large electoral victories in any place that doesn't have proportional representation. Their impact will be, and already is, even in their Mecca of Sweden, minimal, and it'll be a giant exercise in protest votes that won't ring an iota with the larger parties and larger population.
Frodobaggins
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1/10/2010 12:42:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
My projection is that eventually piracy will be legal.

Think about it what has been the trend technologically?

1. Larger Harddrives (I bought a 2 TB station for $120)

2. Faster Internet Speeds (had dialup now have 3mbps)

3. Cheaper Rentals (thus cheaper ripping) - Redbox via example and NetFlix

With this development and private torrent sites, seedboxes, etc. becoming more prevalent. My prediction is that in 50 years we will either have a police state (1984 style all internets activity is monitored) or piracy will be legalized.
Volkov
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1/10/2010 12:50:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I don't know about that. I think it'll become a lot less of an issue, because I see more of the entertainment industry moving towards embracing the technology that is involved with piracy, thereby sort of expanding and taking control of it, without ever legalizing it. That would be the smart thing to do.

However, people aren't always smart, and if they do continue to wage this crusade against piracy, I see a lot of backlash coming their way.
wjmelements
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1/11/2010 2:11:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Piracy will likely remain illegal due to corporate lobbying. Status quo and corporate companies are an unstoppable combination.

I believe that the end of this system will be the competition from free-ware competition which will force copyright-dependent firms out of business. Then, and only then, will it be politically plausible for groups like the Pirate Party to overcome.
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Frodobaggins
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1/11/2010 2:17:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 2:11:24 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I believe that the end of this system will be the competition from free-ware competition which will force copyright-dependent firms out of business. Then, and only then, will it be politically plausible for groups like the Pirate Party to overcome.

You're looking at that from a software side only.

Must piracy = Movies + PC Games + Music
wjmelements
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1/11/2010 2:19:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 2:17:22 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/11/2010 2:11:24 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I believe that the end of this system will be the competition from free-ware competition which will force copyright-dependent firms out of business. Then, and only then, will it be politically plausible for groups like the Pirate Party to overcome.

You're looking at that from a software side only.

Must piracy = Movies + PC Games + Music

Those have free-level competitors as well. There is free music, free games and free movies.
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Frodobaggins
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1/11/2010 2:23:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 2:19:22 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 1/11/2010 2:17:22 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/11/2010 2:11:24 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I believe that the end of this system will be the competition from free-ware competition which will force copyright-dependent firms out of business. Then, and only then, will it be politically plausible for groups like the Pirate Party to overcome.

You're looking at that from a software side only.

Must piracy = Movies + PC Games + Music

Those have free-level competitors as well. There is free music, free games and free movies.

None of which are ever likely at beating a paid-for equivalent.
Ragnar_Rahl
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1/11/2010 4:05:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 2:23:49 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/11/2010 2:19:22 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 1/11/2010 2:17:22 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/11/2010 2:11:24 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I believe that the end of this system will be the competition from free-ware competition which will force copyright-dependent firms out of business. Then, and only then, will it be politically plausible for groups like the Pirate Party to overcome.

You're looking at that from a software side only.

Must piracy = Movies + PC Games + Music

Those have free-level competitors as well. There is free music, free games and free movies.

None of which are ever likely at beating a paid-for equivalent.

Why? Demonstrated preference of the results. You just made a pretty solid argument against piracy :)
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1/11/2010 5:01:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 4:58:45 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Are there not more pressing matters in the world? World hunger, wars, genocide, discrimination...?

Not until I can get Snow Patrols cover of Crazy in Love for free, no.
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Frodobaggins
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1/11/2010 6:17:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 4:58:45 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Are there not more pressing matters in the world? World hunger, wars, genocide, discrimination...?

lol

Word Hunger - I'm fat
Wars - I make loves not wars
Genocide - I'm not dying
Discrimination - Positive discrimination, it exists.

So IMO no there isn't.
Frodobaggins
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1/11/2010 6:18:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 4:05:23 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Why? Demonstrated preference of the results. You just made a pretty solid argument against piracy :)

LOL I get the humor, but you know what I meant.
Volkov
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1/11/2010 10:44:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I lol at the Canadian Pirate Party - they seem like rebellious social liberals.

http://www.pirateparty.ca...

They want less government interference on private net use - yet they are willing to fiddle with the commercial aspects in order to ensure net neutrality and give grants to "educating" artists for cultural purposes.