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12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM
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Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...
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12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM
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It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close
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12/21/2013 6:22:39 PM
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At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

Or Texas. But this will go on up to the SC, just like California's. But I think Utah will actually defend it so it can't be thrown out on a technicality. This one may very well decide it for all of the US.
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12/21/2013 9:47:51 PM
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At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

I think i saw it on the Daily show that statistically it is most likely Texas and Mississippi that will be the last ones.
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12/21/2013 10:39:39 PM
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At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

I expect Texas, Mississippi, and possibly Alabama to be among the last states to legalise it.
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12/21/2013 10:44:17 PM
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At 12/21/2013 10:39:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

I expect Texas, Mississippi, and possibly Alabama to be among the last states to legalise it.

If I had to take a guess at it, I would guess that a court ruling is going to come soon that will legalize gay marriage in every state. All of the statutes and constitutional amendments forbidding gay marriage would remain, they would just no longer be enforced, and it will take a long time for every state to abolish their defunct laws, if ever. Similar to how there are still unenforceable sodomy laws on the books, and some racist mandates that are unenforceable in other constitutions. Otherwise it will be a long, hard slog til legalization.
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12/22/2013 11:22:41 AM
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At 12/21/2013 9:47:51 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

I think i saw it on the Daily show that statistically it is most likely Texas and Mississippi that will be the last ones.

This may be true. We have a closeted gay man as our governor, Rick Perry. We know how this works. Closeted gay men are often almost pathologically eager to prove their heterosexuality by telling us how gross the other gay men they love are. I was the same way when I was a schoolboy, always dropping frogs down the backs of cute girls.

I hope that a more calm gay or lesbian governor will be elected, or one that is securely heterosexual. This will help Texas move slightly out of the middle ages.
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12/22/2013 11:24:03 AM
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At 12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM, thett3 wrote:
It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close

Excellent.
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12/22/2013 11:34:33 AM
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At 12/22/2013 11:24:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM, thett3 wrote:
It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close

Excellent.

I see what yu did thar!!
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12/22/2013 11:35:49 AM
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At 12/22/2013 11:34:33 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:24:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM, thett3 wrote:
It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close

Excellent.

I see what yu did thar!!



The gay agenda is finally coming to fruition. We're even coming for heterosexual's little dogs too!
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12/22/2013 11:36:37 AM
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At 12/22/2013 11:35:49 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:34:33 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:24:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM, thett3 wrote:
It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close

Excellent.

I see what yu did thar!!



The gay agenda is finally coming to fruition. We're even coming for heterosexual's little dogs too!

relevant
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12/22/2013 11:37:23 AM
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At 12/22/2013 11:36:37 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:35:49 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:34:33 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:24:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM, thett3 wrote:
It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close

Excellent.

I see what yu did thar!!



The gay agenda is finally coming to fruition. We're even coming for heterosexual's little dogs too!

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I think we can agree, the past is over.
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12/22/2013 11:40:06 AM
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At 12/22/2013 11:37:23 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:36:37 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:35:49 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:34:33 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:24:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM, thett3 wrote:
It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close

Excellent.

I see what yu did thar!!



The gay agenda is finally coming to fruition. We're even coming for heterosexual's little dogs too!

relevant



I think we can agree, the past is over.

LOL

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12/22/2013 11:44:30 AM
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At 12/22/2013 11:22:41 AM, James.Price wrote:
At 12/21/2013 9:47:51 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

I think i saw it on the Daily show that statistically it is most likely Texas and Mississippi that will be the last ones.

This may be true. We have a closeted gay man as our governor, Rick Perry. We know how this works. Closeted gay men are often almost pathologically eager to prove their heterosexuality by telling us how gross the other gay men they love are. I was the same way when I was a schoolboy, always dropping frogs down the backs of cute girls.



I hope that a more calm gay or lesbian governor will be elected, or one that is securely heterosexual. This will help Texas move slightly out of the middle ages.

...is.....

...is he retarded?
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12/22/2013 7:03:20 PM
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At 12/22/2013 11:44:30 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:22:41 AM, James.Price wrote:
At 12/21/2013 9:47:51 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

I think i saw it on the Daily show that statistically it is most likely Texas and Mississippi that will be the last ones.

This may be true. We have a closeted gay man as our governor, Rick Perry. We know how this works. Closeted gay men are often almost pathologically eager to prove their heterosexuality by telling us how gross the other gay men they love are. I was the same way when I was a schoolboy, always dropping frogs down the backs of cute girls.



I hope that a more calm gay or lesbian governor will be elected, or one that is securely heterosexual. This will help Texas move slightly out of the middle ages.

...is.....

...is he retarded?

Yes.
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12/22/2013 7:06:13 PM
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Debate me: Economic decision theory should be adjusted to include higher-order preferences for non-normative purposes http://www.debate.org...

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12/22/2013 7:08:19 PM
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At 12/22/2013 7:06:13 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
I miss medic and sovereigndream

I would rather keep the company of a swarm of bees.
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12/22/2013 7:11:28 PM
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At 12/22/2013 7:08:19 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 7:06:13 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
I miss medic and sovereigndream

I would rather keep the company of a swarm of bees.

It's more that I have more fun on a debate site with disagreement. What we've got here is a circle jerk.
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12/22/2013 7:12:29 PM
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At 12/22/2013 7:11:28 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 12/22/2013 7:08:19 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 7:06:13 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
I miss medic and sovereigndream

I would rather keep the company of a swarm of bees.

It's more that I have more fun on a debate site with disagreement. What we've got here is a circle jerk.

There are plenty of topics to debate about.
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12/22/2013 7:52:20 PM
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At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

Anyway, the issue here (as it has been in every case same-sex "marriage" has been forced upon a state by judicial fiat rather than popular vote) is that in order for the "equal protection" argument to get off the ground, one needs to beg the question by assuming that the public purpose of marriage is just to recognize "loving commitments" or something to the effect. If marriage really is just "recognizing loving commitments" then it would clearly be "unjust" or "unequal" to disallow, say, two men or two women from "marrying" as two men and two women may be just as much in a "loving commitment" to one another as Bob and Susan, the opposite-sex couple. But, of course, the opponent of same-sex "marriage" disagrees with the antecedent of that conditional, namely, that marriage the public purpose of marriage is not to merely "recognize loving commitments" but rather to attach mothers and fathers to their children and to one another, upon whose stability the children depend on for their well-being. So this is just another not-so-novel case of a dumbass judge somewhere begging the question and condemning an entire generation of children to be institutionally separated from their mother and father and placed in the care of two men or two women simply because "they, like, really felt like it (that is, to pretend to be the happy heterosexual, opposite-sex couple)." There's nothing to do, then, but to wait for the other shoe to drop.
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12/22/2013 7:52:34 PM
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At 12/22/2013 7:42:00 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 12/22/2013 7:06:13 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
I miss medic and sovereigndream

Let's get gay married.

I'm pretty sure Bobbert is straight. But of you, methinks thou dost protest too much.
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12/22/2013 8:03:08 PM
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At 12/22/2013 7:52:20 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

Anyway, the issue here (as it has been in every case same-sex "marriage" has been forced upon a state by judicial fiat rather than popular vote) is that in order for the "equal protection" argument to get off the ground, one needs to beg the question by assuming that the public purpose of marriage is just to recognize "loving commitments" or something to the effect. If marriage really is just "recognizing loving commitments" then it would clearly be "unjust" or "unequal" to disallow, say, two men or two women from "marrying" as two men and two women may be just as much in a "loving commitment" to one another as Bob and Susan, the opposite-sex couple. But, of course, the opponent of same-sex "marriage" disagrees with the antecedent of that conditional, namely, that marriage the public purpose of marriage is not to merely "recognize loving commitments" but rather to attach mothers and fathers to their children and to one another, upon whose stability the children depend on for their well-being. So this is just another not-so-novel case of a dumbass judge somewhere begging the question and condemning an entire generation of children to be institutionally separated from their mother and father and placed in the care of two men or two women simply because "they, like, really felt like it (that is, to pretend to be the happy heterosexual, opposite-sex couple)." There's nothing to do, then, but to wait for the other shoe to drop.

If you would pardon the shameless plug, you can hear me elaborate more on the issue on my blog. If you're, like, into that sort of thing:

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12/22/2013 8:04:03 PM
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At 12/22/2013 7:52:20 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

Anyway, the issue here (as it has been in every case same-sex "marriage" has been forced upon a state by judicial fiat rather than popular vote) is that in order for the "equal protection" argument to get off the ground, one needs to beg the question by assuming that the public purpose of marriage is just to recognize "loving commitments" or something to the effect. If marriage really is just "recognizing loving commitments" then it would clearly be "unjust" or "unequal" to disallow, say, two men or two women from "marrying" as two men and two women may be just as much in a "loving commitment" to one another as Bob and Susan, the opposite-sex couple. But, of course, the opponent of same-sex "marriage" disagrees with the antecedent of that conditional, namely, that marriage the public purpose of marriage is not to merely "recognize loving commitments" but rather to attach mothers and fathers to their children and to one another, upon whose stability the children depend on for their well-being. So this is just another not-so-novel case of a dumbass judge somewhere begging the question and condemning an entire generation of children to be institutionally separated from their mother and father and placed in the care of two men or two women simply because "they, like, really felt like it (that is, to pretend to be the happy heterosexual, opposite-sex couple)." There's nothing to do, then, but to wait for the other shoe to drop.

Rights are not dictated by the majority.
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12/22/2013 8:04:15 PM
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At 12/22/2013 11:37:23 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:36:37 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:35:49 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:34:33 AM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 12/22/2013 11:24:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:21:26 PM, thett3 wrote:
It looks like the days of heterosexual only marriages in the US are rapidly coming to a close

Excellent.

I see what yu did thar!!



The gay agenda is finally coming to fruition. We're even coming for heterosexual's little dogs too!

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I think we can agree, the past is over.

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12/22/2013 8:06:35 PM
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Hopefully, the overturning of DOMA will serve as a basis for a Supreme Court ruling regarding gay marriage.

Stare decisis may help proponents of gay marriage in the courts...
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12/22/2013 8:12:45 PM
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At 12/22/2013 8:06:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hopefully, the overturning of DOMA will serve as a basis for a Supreme Court ruling regarding gay marriage.

Stare decisis may help proponents of gay marriage in the courts...

I think there is ample precedent for the Supreme Court universally legalizing gay marriage. I think the reason they haven't, yet, is because of the extent to which this is a contentious issue in a lot of the country and the Court doesn't want a show-down with another branch of government. Back in Warren days, the Court not only didn't back down from a fight -they went looking for one. That's how Brown, Roe, Swann, etc. all came to pass. Now, Roberts is a bit more reluctant to go looking for trouble. Roberts' view of the Court's role in society is at once more conservative and less audacious than Warren was... but that's why I have always favored a heavily Liberal bench. If the DNC wins again, we might just get that once more.
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12/22/2013 8:15:18 PM
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At 12/22/2013 8:12:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 8:06:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hopefully, the overturning of DOMA will serve as a basis for a Supreme Court ruling regarding gay marriage.

Stare decisis may help proponents of gay marriage in the courts...

I think there is ample precedent for the Supreme Court universally legalizing gay marriage. I think the reason they haven't, yet, is because of the extent to which this is a contentious issue in a lot of the country and the Court doesn't want a show-down with another branch of government. Back in Warren days, the Court not only didn't back down from a fight -they went looking for one. That's how Brown, Roe, Swann, etc. all came to pass. Now, Roberts is a bit more reluctant to go looking for trouble. Roberts' view of the Court's role in society is at once more conservative and less audacious than Warren was... but that's why I have always favored a heavily Liberal bench. If the DNC wins again, we might just get that once more.

Agreed.

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12/22/2013 8:16:14 PM
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At 12/22/2013 8:15:18 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/22/2013 8:12:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 8:06:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hopefully, the overturning of DOMA will serve as a basis for a Supreme Court ruling regarding gay marriage.

Stare decisis may help proponents of gay marriage in the courts...

I think there is ample precedent for the Supreme Court universally legalizing gay marriage. I think the reason they haven't, yet, is because of the extent to which this is a contentious issue in a lot of the country and the Court doesn't want a show-down with another branch of government. Back in Warren days, the Court not only didn't back down from a fight -they went looking for one. That's how Brown, Roe, Swann, etc. all came to pass. Now, Roberts is a bit more reluctant to go looking for trouble. Roberts' view of the Court's role in society is at once more conservative and less audacious than Warren was... but that's why I have always favored a heavily Liberal bench. If the DNC wins again, we might just get that once more.

Agreed.

Hillary for 2016.

Right on.
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12/22/2013 8:29:38 PM
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At 12/22/2013 8:04:03 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/22/2013 7:52:20 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 12/21/2013 6:18:47 PM, thett3 wrote:
Utah. A Federal judge ruled that Utah's ban on gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Of all the states to have same sex marriage, Utah would literally be the last one I would expect. http://touch.latimes.com...

Anyway, the issue here (as it has been in every case same-sex "marriage" has been forced upon a state by judicial fiat rather than popular vote) is that in order for the "equal protection" argument to get off the ground, one needs to beg the question by assuming that the public purpose of marriage is just to recognize "loving commitments" or something to the effect. If marriage really is just "recognizing loving commitments" then it would clearly be "unjust" or "unequal" to disallow, say, two men or two women from "marrying" as two men and two women may be just as much in a "loving commitment" to one another as Bob and Susan, the opposite-sex couple. But, of course, the opponent of same-sex "marriage" disagrees with the antecedent of that conditional, namely, that marriage the public purpose of marriage is not to merely "recognize loving commitments" but rather to attach mothers and fathers to their children and to one another, upon whose stability the children depend on for their well-being. So this is just another not-so-novel case of a dumbass judge somewhere begging the question and condemning an entire generation of children to be institutionally separated from their mother and father and placed in the care of two men or two women simply because "they, like, really felt like it (that is, to pretend to be the happy heterosexual, opposite-sex couple)." There's nothing to do, then, but to wait for the other shoe to drop.

Rights are not dictated by the majority.

Agreed. Unfortunately, however, they are currently being dictated by imbeciles.