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kelly224
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1/11/2010 9:44:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
any other politician who has shared there true thoughts. Biden, Obama's V.P. had his moment to shine, and look how that turned out. I am not offended with his comments so much so as I am with the total disregard of the American population to keep skating around racial dialogue.

Apologies are alright, but how can you honestly ask for forgiveness for something that came from your inner thoughts? People would rather stereotype each others ethnicity's, rather than address the real problems that divide us.
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1/11/2010 9:51:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Is this regarding the comments he made regarding the electability of Obama? There was nothing racist nor objectionable in them, he should not have apoligised.
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1/11/2010 11:46:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Harry Reid was actually trying to compliment Obama when he made that comment. It just came out totally wrong.

Better than having a campaign rally and calling a guy a macaca to a video camera...
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1/11/2010 11:51:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think his comment was completely accurate in all respects.

The implications in his statement were pretty much the following.

1. White Americans will react more favorably to a lighter skinned Black American than a darker one.

Sadly this statement is true for a select amount of the White race. I don't think it reflected his personal views excepting on what he personally thought the situation currently is, which I agree and think that this statement is true to a degree as well.

2. Most Blacks have ridiculously crappy grammar and don't/can't use proper English when they speak which turns off anyone who uses proper English.

This statement is correct in all respects and is not racist but true.
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1/11/2010 11:56:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 11:51:29 AM, Frodobaggins wrote:
2. Most Blacks have ridiculously crappy grammar and don't/can't use proper English when they speak which turns off anyone who uses proper English.

This statement is correct in all respects and is not racist but true.

I hope you didn't just say that... >_>
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1/11/2010 11:58:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Just out of curiosity (naturally, my motives aren't clear), if someone were to say most black people like fried chicken, would this claim be qualified as racist or stereotypical? Or does being stereotypical amount to being racist?
Logical-Master
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1/11/2010 12:00:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Off topic, but: Whenever someone says "I'm not a racist, but . . ." or "Call me a racist all you want, but . . ." or "I have black friends, but . . .", does this indicate that whatever they are about to say is probably racist? :)
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1/11/2010 12:04:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 11:58:39 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Just out of curiosity (naturally, my motives aren't clear), if someone were to say most black people like fried chicken, would this claim be qualified as racist or stereotypical? Or does being stereotypical amount to being racist?

Forgive me, but I also meant to add the option of "neither."
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1/11/2010 12:04:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 11:58:39 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Just out of curiosity (naturally, my motives aren't clear), if someone were to say most black people like fried chicken, would this claim be qualified as racist or stereotypical? Or does being stereotypical amount to being racist?

Both.

Off topic, but: Whenever someone says "I'm not a racist, but . . ." or "Call me a racist all you want, but . . ." or "I have black friends, but . . .", does this indicate that whatever they are about to say is probably racist? :)

Yes, probably, or what they view as racist.
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1/11/2010 12:08:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 12:04:14 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 1/11/2010 11:58:39 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Just out of curiosity (naturally, my motives aren't clear), if someone were to say most black people like fried chicken, would this claim be qualified as racist or stereotypical? Or does being stereotypical amount to being racist?

Forgive me, but I also meant to add the option of "neither."

It would probably be more stereotypical, and usually not racist. However, I'd also add that stereotypes are usually true. Context is key though, such remarks are usually in satire.

At 1/11/2010 12:00:28 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
Off topic, but: Whenever someone says "I'm not a racist, but . . ." or "Call me a racist all you want, but . . ." or "I have black friends, but . . .", does this indicate that whatever they are about to say is probably racist? :)

It can be racist, but it's usually just a poor argument that can be true. I'd never start off a statement as such.
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1/11/2010 12:10:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 11:58:39 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Just out of curiosity (naturally, my motives aren't clear), if someone were to say most black people like fried chicken, would this claim be qualified as racist or stereotypical? Or does being stereotypical amount to being racist?

I'm going to say accurate.

As most black people do like fried chicken.

Everyone likes fried chicken.
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1/11/2010 12:12:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 11:56:44 AM, Scott_Mann wrote:
At 1/11/2010 11:51:29 AM, Frodobaggins wrote:
2. Most Blacks have ridiculously crappy grammar and don't/can't use proper English when they speak which turns off anyone who uses proper English.

This statement is correct in all respects and is not racist but true.

I hope you didn't just say that... >_>

Do you have something factual to disprove that?

Culturally they are driven to speak improper english.

Otherwise groups like these wouldn't exist http://www.facebook.com...
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1/11/2010 12:23:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 12:12:51 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/11/2010 11:56:44 AM, Scott_Mann wrote:
At 1/11/2010 11:51:29 AM, Frodobaggins wrote:
2. Most Blacks have ridiculously crappy grammar and don't/can't use proper English when they speak which turns off anyone who uses proper English.

This statement is correct in all respects and is not racist but true.

I hope you didn't just say that... >_>

Do you have something factual to disprove that?

Culturally they are driven to speak improper english.

Otherwise groups like these wouldn't exist http://www.facebook.com...

Why would skin color be a reason to not be able to speak proper English?
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Frodobaggins
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1/11/2010 12:24:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 12:23:00 PM, Scott_Mann wrote:
I don't realize that other cultures other than one giant universal culture exists.

Oh well let me help you.
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1/11/2010 12:43:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The whole idea of political correctness is not about whether something is true or not, it is about which true things are allowed to said and which are not allowed to be said, and also the exact way things are allowed to be said. Reid's remarks were true, but so politically incorrect that no Republican who had said them could have escaped overwhelming condemnation. Reid gets the leftist equivalent of papal dispensation.
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1/11/2010 12:44:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 12:43:40 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
The whole idea of political correctness is not about whether something is true or not, it is about which true things are allowed to said and which are not allowed to be said, and also the exact way things are allowed to be said. Reid's remarks were true, but so politically incorrect that no Republican who had said them could have escaped overwhelming condemnation. Reid gets the leftist equivalent of papal dispensation.

10/10 on that logic
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1/11/2010 1:28:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 12:23:00 PM, Scott_Mann wrote:
At 1/11/2010 12:12:51 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/11/2010 11:56:44 AM, Scott_Mann wrote:
At 1/11/2010 11:51:29 AM, Frodobaggins wrote:
2. Most Blacks have ridiculously crappy grammar and don't/can't use proper English when they speak which turns off anyone who uses proper English.

This statement is correct in all respects and is not racist but true.

I hope you didn't just say that... >_>

Do you have something factual to disprove that?

Culturally they are driven to speak improper english.

Otherwise groups like these wouldn't exist http://www.facebook.com...

Why would skin color be a reason to not be able to speak proper English?

Not directly. The skin color does not cause the inablity to speak proper English. The effect of skin color in society has placed most blacks at a lower IQ and ability to speak proper English.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
Frodobaggins
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1/11/2010 1:32:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 1:28:25 PM, mongoose wrote:
The effect of skin color in society has placed most blacks at a lower IQ and ability to speak proper English.

Incorrect. It's not an issue of intelligence, its an issue of culture. Blacks culturally identify with improper English. Most people, who speaksproper English, do not like that.
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1/11/2010 1:33:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 1:32:15 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
Most people, who speaksproper English, do not like that.

Are you black? :P
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1/11/2010 1:49:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 9:51:13 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Is this regarding the comments he made regarding the electability of Obama? There was nothing racist nor objectionable in them, he should not have apoligised.

It was true no doubt, but he is no different than any other politician, or avergae joe for that matter. Mainstream America seems to be intimidated with blacks with darker skin tones.
kelly224
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1/11/2010 1:52:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 11:51:29 AM, Frodobaggins wrote:
I think his comment was completely accurate in all respects.

The implications in his statement were pretty much the following.

1. White Americans will react more favorably to a lighter skinned Black American than a darker one.

Sadly this statement is true for a select amount of the White race. I don't think it reflected his personal views excepting on what he personally thought the situation currently is, which I agree and think that this statement is true to a degree as well.

2. Most Blacks have ridiculously crappy grammar and don't/can't use proper English when they speak which turns off anyone who uses proper English.

Most blacks have crappy language, because they are not speaking the Kings English?Is that what you meant?...Some blacks have terrible grammar yes, but folks don't complain when they hum the tunes in their favorite rap song, or try to incorporate "bad English" into their vernacular....funny thing

This statement is correct in all respects and is not racist but true.
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1/11/2010 1:53:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 11:58:39 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Just out of curiosity (naturally, my motives aren't clear), if someone were to say most black people like fried chicken, would this claim be qualified as racist or stereotypical? Or does being stereotypical amount to being racist?

Stereotypical constitutes to being ignorant. And we do like fried chicken....lol
kelly224
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1/11/2010 1:54:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 12:00:28 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
Off topic, but: Whenever someone says "I'm not a racist, but . . ." or "Call me a racist all you want, but . . ." or "I have black friends, but . . .", does this indicate that whatever they are about to say is probably racist? :)

NO, it says excuse me to the folks who don't normally interact with them who may not be as comfortable with them as their black friends.
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1/11/2010 1:56:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 1:52:38 PM, kelly224 wrote:
Most blacks have crappy language, because they are not speaking the Kings English?
Improper use of language. It exists.

Is that what you meant?...Some blacks have terrible grammar yes, but folks don't complain when they hum the tunes in their favorite rap song,
Entertainment =/= Speaking intelligibly

or try to incorporate "bad English" into their vernacular....funny thing
Maybe not to your face lol