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1/9/2014 5:54:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
This will really cause a ruckus. Some countries need to leave the EU immediately to make this work. This includes Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain,and a few Eastern European countries.
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1/9/2014 9:12:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/9/2014 5:54:50 AM, Tophatdoc wrote:
This will really cause a ruckus. Some countries need to leave the EU immediately to make this work. This includes Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain,and a few Eastern European countries.

BUT IT'S STRONG THRU DIVERSITY!!!!
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1/9/2014 10:50:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The EU does need some work, and I'm positive that it will eventually unite Europe under a single banner, but I'm not sure if Europe is ready for that at this point.
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1/9/2014 12:10:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/9/2014 9:12:13 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/9/2014 5:54:50 AM, Tophatdoc wrote:
This will really cause a ruckus. Some countries need to leave the EU immediately to make this work. This includes Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain,and a few Eastern European countries.

BUT IT'S STRONG THRU DIVERSITY!!!!
Only a few countries within the EU are strong and uphold the value of the Euro(I.E France, Germany). The EU has been on the verge of falling apart within the last few years due problems within member countries.
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1/9/2014 4:15:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/9/2014 2:15:24 AM, FREEDO wrote:
This has the potential to be really good or really bad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

It'll never work. Europeans are too proud to give up their nation to became a state.
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1/10/2014 12:29:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have a feeling this works primarily in the favor of bankers and other elite.

Unification is good. Centralization is bad.
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1/10/2014 1:33:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I doubt any nation would be up for it.... Theres no incentive I can see for why a European nation would give up its identity + borders, and merge with other countries primarily for the sake of being united.

The EU trying to make a unified Europe will be about as successful as NAFTA trying to make a unified North America.
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1/10/2014 1:40:05 AM
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At 1/10/2014 1:33:56 AM, imabench wrote:
I doubt any nation would be up for it.... Theres no incentive I can see for why a European nation would give up its identity + borders, and merge with other countries primarily for the sake of being united.

The EU trying to make a unified Europe will be about as successful as NAFTA trying to make a unified North America.

If the decision were made by popular vote, it would easily be turned down. However, if politicians were given control over the decision, which they likely would be, I think it has a considerable possibility. It echoes the days of the Articles of Confederation being transformed into The Constitution.

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1/10/2014 2:06:18 AM
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At 1/10/2014 1:33:56 AM, imabench wrote:
I doubt any nation would be up for it.... Theres no incentive I can see for why a European nation would give up its identity + borders, and merge with other countries primarily for the sake of being united.


They've already given up their borders. Crossing from France to the Netherlands is about as simple as boarding a bus.

The people would never give up their political independence and power. Brittany holds about 5% of the voting power of France. If merged with all other nations, they would have less than 1%... The loss of political power would simply be too much,

The EU trying to make a unified Europe will be about as successful as NAFTA trying to make a unified North America.
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1/10/2014 1:15:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/10/2014 1:40:05 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 1/10/2014 1:33:56 AM, imabench wrote:
I doubt any nation would be up for it.... Theres no incentive I can see for why a European nation would give up its identity + borders, and merge with other countries primarily for the sake of being united.

The EU trying to make a unified Europe will be about as successful as NAFTA trying to make a unified North America.

If the decision were made by popular vote, it would easily be turned down. However, if politicians were given control over the decision, which they likely would be, I think it has a considerable possibility. It echoes the days of the Articles of Confederation being transformed into The Constitution.

But the 13 colonies didnt have different languages or a history of going to war against each other over the span of hundreds, if not thousands of years. Europe has significantly larger divisions between nations that would play a huge role in shooting down any intention of uniting all the countries together

Btw: http://en.wikipedia.org...
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1/10/2014 4:53:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/10/2014 1:33:56 AM, imabench wrote:
I doubt any nation would be up for it.... Theres no incentive I can see for why a European nation would give up its identity + borders, and merge with other countries primarily for the sake of being united.

The EU trying to make a unified Europe will be about as successful as NAFTA trying to make a unified North America.
A nation doesn't give up its identity by being unified into a greater state or empire. Numerous smaller countries today have their languages, identity, borders, etc., preserved after centuries of occupation by foreign powers. See the Balkans.
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1/19/2014 4:21:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/9/2014 2:15:24 AM, FREEDO wrote:
This has the potential to be really good or really bad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

This seems like a bad idea to me. The EU has essentially been a failure itself, with a poor idea of creating a single currency which fosters systematic risk and a slow regulation of the money supply. I think the economics, the culture, and political situation would be too cumbersome to implement something like that successfully at this point.
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1/19/2014 10:52:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/9/2014 2:15:24 AM, FREEDO wrote:
This has the potential to be really good or really bad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Fine, then I want a United States of North America.
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