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2/10/2014 12:49:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Good evening. Now I know that this has been a rather hot topic all over the nation, and perhaps the world lately. But we are split on this decision. Nevermind the medicinal purposes of this here...... Almost half of the US thinks that marijuana should be legal in our country. Although it is safer than alcohol in terms of its influence psychologically speaking, it is still a drug. It can still make you high. It can however still kill. What do you think DDO. Should marijuana or weed, be legal in your neck of the woods. Tell us why then.
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2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 12:49:52 PM, inferno wrote:
Good evening. Now I know that this has been a rather hot topic all over the nation, and perhaps the world lately. But we are split on this decision. Nevermind the medicinal purposes of this here...... Almost half of the US thinks that marijuana should be legal in our country. Although it is safer than alcohol in terms of its influence psychologically speaking, it is still a drug. It can still make you high. It can however still kill. What do you think DDO. Should marijuana or weed, be legal in your neck of the woods. Tell us why then.


Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..
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2/10/2014 1:19:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:

Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..

What differentiates it, to you, from alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but mind-altering drugs (including those available via prescription only), such that this should be illegal, but not those, and/or is it your position that those should be illegal as well?
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2/10/2014 1:21:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 1:19:54 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:

Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..

What differentiates it, to you, from alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but mind-altering drugs (including those available via prescription only), such that this should be illegal, but not those, and/or is it your position that those should be illegal as well?

Non of the above should be legal. I'm completely against anything that would alter the mind
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2/10/2014 1:24:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 12:49:52 PM, inferno wrote:
Good evening. Now I know that this has been a rather hot topic all over the nation, and perhaps the world lately. But we are split on this decision. Nevermind the medicinal purposes of this here...... Almost half of the US thinks that marijuana should be legal in our country. Although it is safer than alcohol in terms of its influence psychologically speaking, it is still a drug. It can still make you high. It can however still kill. What do you think DDO. Should marijuana or weed, be legal in your neck of the woods. Tell us why then.

Well, I'm not a racist, so I don't have a problem with it. :P

All drugs should be legalized for recreational use.
This way the FDA can regulate it, including listing side effects and health risks and ensuring potency and clean drugs (i.e. weed not laced with heroin). Safer drugs.
Take the profits out of drug cartels and hoodrat gangs. Safer streets.
With it being legal, disputes can be heard in court. Safer streets.
With it being legal, the stigma is erased, and people with problems may seek help or at least not be harassed by pushers. Safer streets and people.
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/10/2014 1:26:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 1:21:43 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:19:54 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:

Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..

What differentiates it, to you, from alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but mind-altering drugs (including those available via prescription only), such that this should be illegal, but not those, and/or is it your position that those should be illegal as well?

Non of the above should be legal. I'm completely against anything that would alter the mind

So the government should have the right to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body? How far does this extend to? Food?
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2/10/2014 1:30:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 1:21:43 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:19:54 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:

Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..

What differentiates it, to you, from alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but mind-altering drugs (including those available via prescription only), such that this should be illegal, but not those, and/or is it your position that those should be illegal as well?

Non of the above should be legal. I'm completely against anything that would alter the mind

What about caffeine?
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2/10/2014 1:59:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 1:21:43 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:19:54 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:

Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..

What differentiates it, to you, from alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but mind-altering drugs (including those available via prescription only), such that this should be illegal, but not those, and/or is it your position that those should be illegal as well?

Non of the above should be legal. I'm completely against anything that would alter the mind

But some would argue. What about people who eat fructose corn syrup in their foods. It kills more people than weed.
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2/10/2014 1:59:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 1:30:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:21:43 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:19:54 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:

Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..

What differentiates it, to you, from alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but mind-altering drugs (including those available via prescription only), such that this should be illegal, but not those, and/or is it your position that those should be illegal as well?

Non of the above should be legal. I'm completely against anything that would alter the mind

What about caffeine?

Its not the same as thc.
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2/10/2014 2:04:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
One would wish it was as simple as choosing a"*Anything that affects the brain X amount is bannable", but it's just not.

So many variables to look at, not least of all being availability. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug out there in terms of the net effects caused (not in terms of efficacy), but it's so easily available that i's unlikely to ever get banned.

The world isn't black and white I'm afraid
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2/10/2014 2:14:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 2:04:32 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
One would wish it was as simple as choosing a"*Anything that affects the brain X amount is bannable", but it's just not.

So many variables to look at, not least of all being availability. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug out there in terms of the net effects caused (not in terms of efficacy), but it's so easily available that i's unlikely to ever get banned.

The world isn't black and white I'm afraid

True. But you do also realize that people are often locked up longer when they are caught being high on weed than being drunk on public.
Now why is this so.
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2/10/2014 2:16:16 PM
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Okay, so the three of you left me thinking...
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2/10/2014 2:16:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 2:14:10 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:04:32 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
One would wish it was as simple as choosing a"*Anything that affects the brain X amount is bannable", but it's just not.

So many variables to look at, not least of all being availability. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug out there in terms of the net effects caused (not in terms of efficacy), but it's so easily available that i's unlikely to ever get banned.

The world isn't black and white I'm afraid

True. But you do also realize that people are often locked up longer when they are caught being high on weed than being drunk on public.
Now why is this so.

Enlighten us if you will
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2/10/2014 2:43:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 1:21:43 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:19:54 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 2/10/2014 1:06:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:

Noooooooo!!!! It still alters the mind even if it can be used for medical purposes. It doesn't heal anyone. So I see no point?..

What differentiates it, to you, from alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but mind-altering drugs (including those available via prescription only), such that this should be illegal, but not those, and/or is it your position that those should be illegal as well?

Non of the above should be legal. I'm completely against anything that would alter the mind

Your opposition to psychoactive substances is understandable, from your puritan perspective; however, I truly believe that all people can appreciate that such matters are personal decisions that should not be subject to interference.
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2/10/2014 2:45:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 2:16:26 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:14:10 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:04:32 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
One would wish it was as simple as choosing a"*Anything that affects the brain X amount is bannable", but it's just not.

So many variables to look at, not least of all being availability. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug out there in terms of the net effects caused (not in terms of efficacy), but it's so easily available that i's unlikely to ever get banned.

The world isn't black and white I'm afraid

True. But you do also realize that people are often locked up longer when they are caught being high on weed than being drunk on public.
Now why is this so.

Enlighten us if you will

Public intoxication. And being high on weed.
Now if Im a cop and I catch you with an open container of beer, verses about 8 ounces of weed, whos gonna stay longer in jail. =)
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2/10/2014 2:47:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 2:45:00 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:16:26 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:14:10 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:04:32 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
One would wish it was as simple as choosing a"*Anything that affects the brain X amount is bannable", but it's just not.

So many variables to look at, not least of all being availability. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug out there in terms of the net effects caused (not in terms of efficacy), but it's so easily available that i's unlikely to ever get banned.

The world isn't black and white I'm afraid

True. But you do also realize that people are often locked up longer when they are caught being high on weed than being drunk on public.
Now why is this so.

Enlighten us if you will

Public intoxication. And being high on weed.
Now if Im a cop and I catch you with an open container of beer, verses about 8 ounces of weed, whos gonna stay longer in jail. =)

Depends on how badly the cop, or you, needs his fix =p
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2/10/2014 2:49:06 PM
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Oh, and if you Americans can just hurry up and legalise it en masse that would be great of you. I do not want to have to wait until every Brit currently over 40 dies to end this pointless prohibition.
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2/10/2014 3:07:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 2:45:00 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:16:26 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:14:10 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:04:32 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
One would wish it was as simple as choosing a"*Anything that affects the brain X amount is bannable", but it's just not.

So many variables to look at, not least of all being availability. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug out there in terms of the net effects caused (not in terms of efficacy), but it's so easily available that i's unlikely to ever get banned.

The world isn't black and white I'm afraid

True. But you do also realize that people are often locked up longer when they are caught being high on weed than being drunk on public.
Now why is this so.

Enlighten us if you will

Public intoxication. And being high on weed.
Now if Im a cop and I catch you with an open container of beer, verses about 8 ounces of weed, whos gonna stay longer in jail. =)

Wouldn't the more fair comparison be an open container of beer versus a joint?
8 ounces of weed is an ungodly amount to have for casual use.
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM
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Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
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2/10/2014 3:25:34 PM
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At 2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
It's called a contact high, and can happen.

If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
I disagree.
Freedom of association and all that jazz.
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/10/2014 3:42:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 3:07:56 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:45:00 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:16:26 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:14:10 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 2:04:32 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
One would wish it was as simple as choosing a"*Anything that affects the brain X amount is bannable", but it's just not.

So many variables to look at, not least of all being availability. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug out there in terms of the net effects caused (not in terms of efficacy), but it's so easily available that i's unlikely to ever get banned.

The world isn't black and white I'm afraid

True. But you do also realize that people are often locked up longer when they are caught being high on weed than being drunk on public.
Now why is this so.

Enlighten us if you will

Public intoxication. And being high on weed.
Now if Im a cop and I catch you with an open container of beer, verses about 8 ounces of weed, whos gonna stay longer in jail. =)

Wouldn't the more fair comparison be an open container of beer versus a joint?
8 ounces of weed is an ungodly amount to have for casual use.

Either way it goes...............Most people would go in the slammer longer for weed than a beer. Ive seen duis get off the same night. And that is true.
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2/10/2014 3:44:18 PM
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At 2/10/2014 3:25:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
It's called a contact high, and can happen.

If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
I disagree.
Freedom of association and all that jazz.

I believe people react differently under the influence of weed. But not as erratic. However, its the impact of having a very spaced out culture in the sanest of places that gets me.
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2/10/2014 3:45:17 PM
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At 2/10/2014 3:42:57 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:07:56 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Wouldn't the more fair comparison be an open container of beer versus a joint?
8 ounces of weed is an ungodly amount to have for casual use.

Either way it goes...............Most people would go in the slammer longer for weed than a beer. Ive seen duis get off the same night. And that is true.

What do you mean"get off".
I have known people who didn't go to jail for having weed in their car. They got probation.
However, comparing the crimes is difficult, since one is legal and the other is not. The mere possession of weed is illegal, while possessing beer is not.
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/10/2014 3:49:07 PM
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At 2/10/2014 3:44:18 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:25:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
It's called a contact high, and can happen.

If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
I disagree.
Freedom of association and all that jazz.

I believe people react differently under the influence of weed. But not as erratic. However, its the impact of having a very spaced out culture in the sanest of places that gets me.

I think people act different on weed, too.
I think people act natural under beer but that is a separate issue.

The impact isn't that big of a deal to me in the long run, since I care about the legal issues of its prohibition, not the practical ones. For example, just because it is legal, doesn't mean a company should allow you to work for them.

For the record, even if weed were legal, I doubt I would do it. I've done it before and was like "meh".
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/10/2014 4:02:49 PM
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At 2/10/2014 3:49:07 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:44:18 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:25:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
It's called a contact high, and can happen.

If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
I disagree.
Freedom of association and all that jazz.

I believe people react differently under the influence of weed. But not as erratic. However, its the impact of having a very spaced out culture in the sanest of places that gets me.

I think people act different on weed, too.
I think people act natural under beer but that is a separate issue.


The impact isn't that big of a deal to me in the long run, since I care about the legal issues of its prohibition, not the practical ones. For example, just because it is legal, doesn't mean a company should allow you to work for them.

For the record, even if weed were legal, I doubt I would do it. I've done it before and was like "meh".

Out of interest, would you similarly support a company who chose not to employ:
A. Brown people
B. Fans of Barry White
C. People who had fathers with freckles
D. People with arachnophobia
E. People who enjoy rough sex?
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2/10/2014 4:10:46 PM
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At 2/10/2014 3:49:07 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:44:18 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:25:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
It's called a contact high, and can happen.

If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
I disagree.
Freedom of association and all that jazz.

I believe people react differently under the influence of weed. But not as erratic. However, its the impact of having a very spaced out culture in the sanest of places that gets me.

I think people act different on weed, too.
I think people act natural under beer but that is a separate issue.


The impact isn't that big of a deal to me in the long run, since I care about the legal issues of its prohibition, not the practical ones. For example, just because it is legal, doesn't mean a company should allow you to work for them.

For the record, even if weed were legal, I doubt I would do it. I've done it before and was like "meh".

Well. Beer is still legal until it is abused and misused. You are considered a criminal just by having marijuana in your hand. =)
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2/10/2014 4:37:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 4:02:49 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:49:07 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:44:18 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:25:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
It's called a contact high, and can happen.

If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
I disagree.
Freedom of association and all that jazz.

I believe people react differently under the influence of weed. But not as erratic. However, its the impact of having a very spaced out culture in the sanest of places that gets me.

I think people act different on weed, too.
I think people act natural under beer but that is a separate issue.


The impact isn't that big of a deal to me in the long run, since I care about the legal issues of its prohibition, not the practical ones. For example, just because it is legal, doesn't mean a company should allow you to work for them.

For the record, even if weed were legal, I doubt I would do it. I've done it before and was like "meh".

Out of interest, would you similarly support a company who chose not to employ:
A. Brown people
B. Fans of Barry White
C. People who had fathers with freckles
D. People with arachnophobia
E. People who enjoy rough sex?

Support is a strange word in this context.
Do I believe they should be allowed to not employ based on that? Yes.
Do I believe they should opt for said allowance? Not generally.
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/10/2014 4:55:04 PM
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At 2/10/2014 4:37:05 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 4:02:49 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:49:07 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:44:18 PM, inferno wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:25:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/10/2014 3:21:43 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Since there's second hand smoking, is there also a second hand high? For instance, if Bob smokes a joint and gets high, and Larry's in the room with him, will Larry also get high?
It's called a contact high, and can happen.

If this is the case, people would be getting high without their consent. If this is the case, then marijuana should remain illegal.
I disagree.
Freedom of association and all that jazz.

I believe people react differently under the influence of weed. But not as erratic. However, its the impact of having a very spaced out culture in the sanest of places that gets me.

I think people act different on weed, too.
I think people act natural under beer but that is a separate issue.


The impact isn't that big of a deal to me in the long run, since I care about the legal issues of its prohibition, not the practical ones. For example, just because it is legal, doesn't mean a company should allow you to work for them.

For the record, even if weed were legal, I doubt I would do it. I've done it before and was like "meh".

Out of interest, would you similarly support a company who chose not to employ:
A. Brown people
B. Fans of Barry White
C. People who had fathers with freckles
D. People with arachnophobia
E. People who enjoy rough sex?

Support is a strange word in this context.
Do I believe they should be allowed to not employ based on that? Yes.
Do I believe they should opt for said allowance? Not generally.

It just interests me to see the inhumanity of the employer / employee relationship.
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2/10/2014 7:20:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 4:55:04 PM, Wocambs wrote:

It just interests me to see the inhumanity of the employer / employee relationship.

Explain.
My work here is, finally, done.