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2/15/2014 10:36:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
to get information from a prisoner off course

criminals are tortured to get them to confess to crimes and name friends

soldiers, that are caught be the enemy is tortured to gain information

are there other reason to use this terrible weapon?
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2/15/2014 10:52:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 10:36:37 PM, The_Serb wrote:
to get information from a prisoner off course

criminals are tortured to get them to confess to crimes and name friends

soldiers, that are caught be the enemy is tortured to gain information

are there other reason to use this terrible weapon?

Do you think torture is acceptable as a matter of principle or one of privileged circumstance?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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2/15/2014 10:56:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 10:52:14 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/15/2014 10:36:37 PM, The_Serb wrote:
to get information from a prisoner off course

criminals are tortured to get them to confess to crimes and name friends

soldiers, that are caught be the enemy is tortured to gain information

are there other reason to use this terrible weapon?

Do you think torture is acceptable as a matter of principle or one of privileged circumstance?

Clearly torture is acceptable as a matter of principle

We should let our policemen and soldiers decide for themselves if they want to torture a prisoner in their custody or not. For whatever reason, yes
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2/15/2014 10:58:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 10:56:09 PM, The_Serb wrote:
At 2/15/2014 10:52:14 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/15/2014 10:36:37 PM, The_Serb wrote:
to get information from a prisoner off course

criminals are tortured to get them to confess to crimes and name friends

soldiers, that are caught be the enemy is tortured to gain information

are there other reason to use this terrible weapon?

Do you think torture is acceptable as a matter of principle or one of privileged circumstance?

Clearly torture is acceptable as a matter of principle

We should let our policemen and soldiers decide for themselves if they want to torture a prisoner in their custody or not. For whatever reason, yes
Why do you always talk about torture???
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2/15/2014 10:59:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 10:56:09 PM, The_Serb wrote:
At 2/15/2014 10:52:14 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/15/2014 10:36:37 PM, The_Serb wrote:
to get information from a prisoner off course

criminals are tortured to get them to confess to crimes and name friends

soldiers, that are caught be the enemy is tortured to gain information

are there other reason to use this terrible weapon?

Do you think torture is acceptable as a matter of principle or one of privileged circumstance?

Clearly torture is acceptable as a matter of principle

Clearly?

We should let our policemen and soldiers decide for themselves if they want to torture a prisoner in their custody or not. For whatever reason, yes

Why?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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2/15/2014 11:33:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 10:36:37 PM, The_Serb wrote:
to get information from a prisoner off course

criminals are tortured to get them to confess to crimes and name friends

soldiers, that are caught be the enemy is tortured to gain information

are there other reason to use this terrible weapon?

Problem is, torture has a long history of being used to make people confess to a crime they didn't commit. That, and it just seems mean, unless the lives of hundreds of people or more are directly at stake.
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2/15/2014 11:40:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
All this guy talks about is torture. In polls, opinions, and debates. You talk bad about torture and you talk good about torture. Quite contradictory.
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Noumena
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2/15/2014 11:53:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 11:40:40 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
All this guy talks about is torture. In polls, opinions, and debates. You talk bad about torture and you talk good about torture. Quite contradictory.

The kid seems interesting. His profile says he's a middle aged, married guy from Serbia. His pic and intense interest in torture have me asking questions though.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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2/16/2014 12:05:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Well he also stated that he participated in the torturing of a few Muslim men. He justified it by saying they did it first.
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2/16/2014 12:35:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 12:05:28 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Well he also stated that he participated in the torturing of a few Muslim men. He justified it by saying they did it first.

Seems as good a reason as any.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.
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2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO
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2/16/2014 7:59:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 11:40:40 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
All this guy talks about is torture. In polls, opinions, and debates. You talk bad about torture and you talk good about torture. Quite contradictory.

Torture clearly depends on the situation, and so he is talking properly if he talks about when it is good and when it is bad. That's not contradictory, that is honest.
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2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.
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2/16/2014 2:35:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

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2/16/2014 2:50:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 2:35:33 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Followed by gaslighting: a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception and sanity. Instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.

Well, I was just referring to the pressure to conform, not your f*cked up childhood. I'm sorry that happened to you.
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2/16/2014 6:10:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 2:50:06 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:35:33 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Followed by gaslighting: a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception and sanity. Instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.

Well, I was just referring to the pressure to conform, not your f*cked up childhood. I'm sorry that happened to you.

I'm just glad I know now that people use this technique, so I can stop it in its tracks.
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2/19/2014 1:09:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 10:56:09 PM, The_Serb wrote:
At 2/15/2014 10:52:14 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/15/2014 10:36:37 PM, The_Serb wrote:
to get information from a prisoner off course

criminals are tortured to get them to confess to crimes and name friends

soldiers, that are caught be the enemy is tortured to gain information

are there other reason to use this terrible weapon?

Do you think torture is acceptable as a matter of principle or one of privileged circumstance?

Clearly torture is acceptable as a matter of principle

We should let our policemen and soldiers decide for themselves if they want to torture a prisoner in their custody or not. For whatever reason, yes
In my opinion..."Direct Torture" should not be acceptable as sometime it go against the matter of justification.
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3/15/2014 11:09:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 7:59:45 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Torture clearly depends on the situation, and so he is talking properly if he talks about when it is good and when it is bad. That's not contradictory, that is honest.

Well in short:

Torture is bad when it happens to you, your army buddies, friends and family.

Example:
During the military dictatorship in Turkey, young girls were arrested in place of their husbands, older brothers or fathers, that the military wanted to interrogate about subversive activities. When the suspect had escaped, the soldiers would sometimes arrest his daughter instead. These girls as young as 16 did not know anything about her fathers activities, yet they were brutally tortured.

I include this video, en excerpt of a Turkish film showing the methods of torture against male victims: stripped naked, suspension, electric shock, beating esp. on the soles of the feet and testicle crushing
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3/16/2014 12:49:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It's not a question of morality, it's strictly a question of what is practical. If torture is believed to be effective then all nations that believe in it's effectiveness will use it and the moral implications will not be a consideration.

And of course, the only reason why it is being questioned at all is because the US failed to keep it out of the public eye.

Rest assured that torture will continue to be used as a method of gaining intelligence. And when any country observes that theirs are being tortured, it may result in that aggrieved country being motivated to resort to torture sooner as opposed to later.
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3/16/2014 2:27:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Agreed.
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3/16/2014 7:19:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 2:27:10 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Agreed.

God damn we agree on something!
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3/16/2014 7:48:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 7:19:25 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 2:27:10 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Agreed.

God damn we agree on something!

I know. I couldn't help but laugh when I realised it as I typed that.
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3/17/2014 7:28:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 7:48:49 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 3/16/2014 7:19:25 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 2:27:10 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Agreed.

God damn we agree on something!

I know. I couldn't help but laugh when I realised it as I typed that.

I'm sure we're not that different. I'm sure you put your jeans on one leg at a time, and sometimes you put things down to pick something else up and then completely forget where you set it down, and that if someone trusts you then you do your best not to let them down, and that last summer you stole one of your daddy's cigars and his bourbon and stayed up listening to Johnny Cash into the early hours of the morning in a smoky, whisky-soaked adolescent haze.

But yes, politically we are fairly irreconcilable. Strange that...
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3/17/2014 7:42:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 7:28:13 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 7:48:49 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 3/16/2014 7:19:25 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 2:27:10 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Agreed.

God damn we agree on something!

I know. I couldn't help but laugh when I realised it as I typed that.

I'm sure we're not that different. I'm sure you put your jeans on one leg at a time, and sometimes you put things down to pick something else up and then completely forget where you set it down, and that if someone trusts you then you do your best not to let them down, and that last summer you stole one of your daddy's cigars and his bourbon and stayed up listening to Johnny Cash into the early hours of the morning in a smoky, whisky-soaked adolescent haze.

But yes, politically we are fairly irreconcilable. Strange that"

I don't smoke or drink, but the rest is accurate.

I guess a lot of that can be due to environment and living conditions.
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3/17/2014 12:01:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 7:42:24 AM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 3/17/2014 7:28:13 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 7:48:49 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 3/16/2014 7:19:25 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 2:27:10 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Agreed.

God damn we agree on something!

I know. I couldn't help but laugh when I realised it as I typed that.

I'm sure we're not that different. I'm sure you put your jeans on one leg at a time, and sometimes you put things down to pick something else up and then completely forget where you set it down, and that if someone trusts you then you do your best not to let them down, and that last summer you stole one of your daddy's cigars and his bourbon and stayed up listening to Johnny Cash into the early hours of the morning in a smoky, whisky-soaked adolescent haze.

But yes, politically we are fairly irreconcilable. Strange that"

I don't smoke or drink, but the rest is accurate.

I guess a lot of that can be due to environment and living conditions.

Don't tell me I don't make it sound good, though...

I suppose the environment I live in is far less religious and patriotic, if I may stereotype. I imagine our living conditions are fairly similar though, unless you're the son of a Texan oil baron. Actually that would explain a lot...
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3/17/2014 2:49:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 12:01:27 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/17/2014 7:42:24 AM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 3/17/2014 7:28:13 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 7:48:49 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 3/16/2014 7:19:25 PM, Wocambs wrote:
At 3/16/2014 2:27:10 PM, Juris_Naturalis wrote:
At 2/16/2014 11:58:23 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 2/16/2014 2:52:40 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:29:29 AM, Noumena wrote:
At 2/16/2014 1:22:15 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Psychological torture is much more effective than physical torture in extracting information from suspects and/or prisoners of war.

Do you think psychological torture has a place in the NAP?

Psychological torture is the backbone of every functional American family. GTFO

Seems like a fairly accurate statement to me.

Agreed.

God damn we agree on something!

I know. I couldn't help but laugh when I realised it as I typed that.

I'm sure we're not that different. I'm sure you put your jeans on one leg at a time, and sometimes you put things down to pick something else up and then completely forget where you set it down, and that if someone trusts you then you do your best not to let them down, and that last summer you stole one of your daddy's cigars and his bourbon and stayed up listening to Johnny Cash into the early hours of the morning in a smoky, whisky-soaked adolescent haze.

But yes, politically we are fairly irreconcilable. Strange that"

I don't smoke or drink, but the rest is accurate.

I guess a lot of that can be due to environment and living conditions.

Don't tell me I don't make it sound good, though...

I suppose the environment I live in is far less religious and patriotic, if I may stereotype. I imagine our living conditions are fairly similar though, unless you're the son of a Texan oil baron. Actually that would explain a lot"

Well, now that I'm thinking about it"""..

Nope. My parents are military for at least 3 generations back, with some LEOs and nuclear engineers mixed in. But I do live in Texas, I am a Christian and I do love my country, although I don't like the government the way it is now :p I'm actually a little more open-minded than some of my theist friends in some instances, If I may say so.