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Jack212
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2/22/2014 3:42:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/21/2014 2:24:15 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Do you think limited government can be attained and maintained?

It's not in our nature. There's a principle in Economics called "scarcity": people have unlimited wants and insufficient resources to satisfy them. In other words, no matter how big Uncle Sam's piece of cake is, he'll always want more - and he'll want to eat it too. More power, more money, more land and more subjects to rule over.

Here's a thought experiment you can use to test any form of political idealism. If you applied your idea to a gorilla instead of a human, how would they react? Humans are just animals, after all. We have a tendency to anthropomorphize our own behaviour, when really we're just animals, doing what animals do.
AnDoctuir
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2/22/2014 4:54:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Jack is an idiot, though his point on "scarcity" is something that should be addressed. The thing is: human want is not unlimited, but that to have more is to be more in control, and what we really want is control. Survival assured, I don't think there would be any such thing as greed. But of course limited government in such an environment that sets everyone on their own as regards their own survival is certainly very susceptible to corruption.

I've personally always found it interesting that gorillas survive solely on vegetation, by the way - as the king of the apes, perhaps they're in a position where they can be a little more conscientious.
AnDoctuir
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2/22/2014 4:58:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
People give animals far too little credit. Maybe pandas aren't reproducing anymore because of the state of the world. I mean they hardly f*cking evolved not to reproduce. That makes no sense whatsoever.
TheHitchslap
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2/22/2014 8:58:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/21/2014 2:24:15 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Do you think limited government can be attained and maintained?


Yes.
Thank you for voting!
Jack212
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2/22/2014 11:02:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 4:54:51 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Jack is an idiot...

Excuse me? I don't mind if you insult my sexuality, attitude or immediate family members, but you don't diss my intelligence without giving a clear justification.
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 1:33:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 11:02:05 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/22/2014 4:54:51 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Jack is an idiot...

Excuse me? I don't mind if you insult my sexuality, attitude or immediate family members, but you don't diss my intelligence without giving a clear justification.

You are an idiot, dude. What the f*ck does a gorilla do besides eat vegetation? Should we all just eat vegetation all the time?
Jack212
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2/23/2014 2:44:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 1:33:22 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 2/22/2014 11:02:05 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/22/2014 4:54:51 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Jack is an idiot...

Excuse me? I don't mind if you insult my sexuality, attitude or immediate family members, but you don't diss my intelligence without giving a clear justification.

You are an idiot, dude. What the f*ck does a gorilla do besides eat vegetation? Should we all just eat vegetation all the time?

Gorillas do a lot more than eat vegetation. I'd explain it to you, but you were incredibly rude to me and don't do anything except post dumbass comments, so I won't. F*ck you too.
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 3:13:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 2:44:29 AM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/23/2014 1:33:22 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 2/22/2014 11:02:05 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/22/2014 4:54:51 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Jack is an idiot...

Excuse me? I don't mind if you insult my sexuality, attitude or immediate family members, but you don't diss my intelligence without giving a clear justification.

You are an idiot, dude. What the f*ck does a gorilla do besides eat vegetation? Should we all just eat vegetation all the time?

Gorillas do a lot more than eat vegetation. I'd explain it to you, but you were incredibly rude to me and don't do anything except post dumbass comments, so I won't. F*ck you too.

You're an idiot.
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 3:20:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Jack has humanity all worked out. Newton's Flaming Laser Sword says religion is silly, but animalism is just sensible. Never mind that to be human is to allow a vastness of conscientiousness that isn't to be seen anywhere else in the animal kingdom, though conscientiousness does indeed rear its head outside of our species too. We're all just gorillas, guys. These computers and things? Nonsense!
Jack212
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2/23/2014 3:36:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 3:20:25 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
[ gratuitous verbal masturbation ]

If you want my comeback, you'll have to suck it out of your mother's butt.

Though for you, that'd just be a typical Friday night.
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 4:18:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 3:36:00 AM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/23/2014 3:20:25 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
[ gratuitous verbal masturbation ]

If you want my comeback, you'll have to suck it out of your mother's butt.

Though for you, that'd just be a typical Friday night.

You realise that in going vulgar you're in fact voicing an objection, right? It's a petty objection, of course, but still an objection. It empowers me, really, when people's qualms are so infantile.
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 4:20:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
In steps the Virgin Mary to appease poor Jack's depression about mothers having sex. Oh, the humanity!
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 4:36:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
And why is it an atrocity that mothers have sex? Because it's horrible to think that another man has control over you, in this world where we're all vying to be alpha. And so you get retards naming their kids after their fathers, to honour them they say, but really to take their existence into their own hands. It all comes back to mortality, not some insatiable lust for materialistic nothingness as Jack professes.

Thanks for lending strength to my argument, though, Jack. Appreciated. It's always nice to have a subject willing to be dissected
Jack212
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2/23/2014 4:36:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 4:24:28 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
And people wonder why Christianity is so prominent. It's because you're retarded, Jack.

When did you learn you had autism?
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 4:38:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 4:36:29 AM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/23/2014 4:24:28 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
And people wonder why Christianity is so prominent. It's because you're retarded, Jack.

When did you learn you had autism?

But he just wont accept his nonsense for what it is. Just because you're dying doesn't mean you have to be a bastard, Jack.
Jack212
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2/23/2014 5:16:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 4:38:46 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 2/23/2014 4:36:29 AM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/23/2014 4:24:28 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
And people wonder why Christianity is so prominent. It's because you're retarded, Jack.

When did you learn you had autism?

But he just wont accept his nonsense for what it is. Just because you're dying doesn't mean you have to be a bastard, Jack.

Q: What's the difference between you and a hippo's arsehole?
A: One is full of sh*t, and the other is a hippo's arsehole!
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 5:44:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The South Park guys are moral sh*theads, but at least they're intelligent. Only in America. You keep sperging, Jack. Good job, dude.
Jack212
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2/23/2014 6:12:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 5:44:56 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
The South Park guys are moral sh*theads, but at least they're intelligent. Only in America. You keep sperging, Jack. Good job, dude.

And how would you know what intelligence looks like?

Btw, if you're replying to my post, click the "reply" button. Otherwise, I won't be notified when you make a retort.
AnDoctuir
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2/23/2014 6:19:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 6:12:26 AM, Jack212 wrote:
At 2/23/2014 5:44:56 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
The South Park guys are moral sh*theads, but at least they're intelligent. Only in America. You keep sperging, Jack. Good job, dude.

And how would you know what intelligence looks like?

Btw, if you're replying to my post, click the "reply" button. Otherwise, I won't be notified when you make a retort.

Sorry, dude. I've been more talking around you. There are some people better just used as examples than actually conversed with.
Tophatdoc
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2/23/2014 7:59:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/21/2014 2:24:15 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Do you think limited government can be attained and maintained?


Tom Woods, interesting.

Limited government is a possibility.That possibility has very low probability of happening from my understanding. People from the left and the right want the government to pick winners and losers for different reasons. It is very doubtful limited government would happen. We wouldn't be having this discussion if it was pre-New Deal.
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2/28/2014 2:34:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Yes. Humans have free will.

This doesn't mean it will happen of course.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.