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SovereignDream
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2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...

Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.
Jack212
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2/22/2014 11:06:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...


Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.

I think you're both wrong and need better things to do with your time.
EndarkenedRationalist
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2/22/2014 11:26:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...


Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.

I think she was fine until she brought up the "Patriarchy."

Your points had more problems throughout. Your entire comparison to pedophilia was absurd because children cannot consent to sexual relations. You also went back to the typical and medieval shackling of people to an outdated fear of sex. The liberation of the sex movement - the idea that sex is not something to be ashamed of - is a wonderful thing. Imagine if we treated food like we do sex. We would only eat in private. Any deviations in the food group - like vegetarians - would be outcast to some fringe corner of the Internet.

All of this comes on the off chance that a child might, conceivably, be produced.

It is the liberty and prerogative of couples to film themselves having sex, if they so choose. This is all pornography is. If they then want to profit from it and distribute it to the Internet, it becomes a good like any other. If a child was produced from this, it is then their responsibility. I personally do not consider a child simply produced accidentally in a field like pornography to be grounds for abortion. But the odds of that happening are so slim.

Not to mention this argument ignores the possibility of women engaging in pornography when not menstruating (where, sure, a few can still get pregnant, but this is rare).
SovereignDream
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2/22/2014 11:52:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 11:26:14 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...


Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.

I think she was fine until she brought up the "Patriarchy."

Your points had more problems throughout. Your entire comparison to pedophilia was absurd because children cannot consent to sexual relations. You also went back to the typical and medieval shackling of people to an outdated fear of sex. The liberation of the sex movement - the idea that sex is not something to be ashamed of - is a wonderful thing.

Thanks for the feedback.

To clarify, I don't think that sex is something to be ashamed of. Indeed, I have never once espoused this supposition. In fact, I think that sex is beautiful insofar as it is the metaphysically comprehensive union between a man and a woman in which their bodies work towards a common goal -- procreation. Quite clearly, though, I think that there is a proper context for sex (for reasons I provide in my response to her article).

Imagine if we treated food like we do sex. We would only eat in private. Any deviations in the food group - like vegetarians - would be outcast to some fringe corner of the Internet.

Except that eating food does not have public consequences like having sex does, for, after all, sex is, by nature, procreative and so is ordered towards involving a third party (namely, the child).


All of this comes on the off chance that a child might, conceivably, be produced.

It is the liberty and prerogative of couples to film themselves having sex, if they so choose. This is all pornography is. If they then want to profit from it and distribute it to the Internet, it becomes a good like any other.

Sure. I didn't defend the supposition that pornography should be illegal.

If a child was produced from this, it is then their responsibility.

Ah, but I make a stronger claim in my response. I claim that individuals have an obligation to conduct their sexual relations in such a way that they are carried out responsibly, with someone to whom you are committed to in permanence and in a context which in the best interest of any children you may beget.

I personally do not consider a child simply produced accidentally in a field like pornography to be grounds for abortion. But the odds of that happening are so slim.

Well good because I am positively opposed to abortion.

Not to mention this argument ignores the possibility of women engaging in pornography when not menstruating (where, sure, a few can still get pregnant, but this is rare).

But my argument still would apply for my argument doesn't rely on acts which are procreative in effect but rather in procreative acts that are procreative in nature.
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2/23/2014 12:14:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 11:52:17 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/22/2014 11:26:14 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...


Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.

I think she was fine until she brought up the "Patriarchy."

Your points had more problems throughout. Your entire comparison to pedophilia was absurd because children cannot consent to sexual relations. You also went back to the typical and medieval shackling of people to an outdated fear of sex. The liberation of the sex movement - the idea that sex is not something to be ashamed of - is a wonderful thing.

Thanks for the feedback.

To clarify, I don't think that sex is something to be ashamed of. Indeed, I have never once espoused this supposition. In fact, I think that sex is beautiful insofar as it is the metaphysically comprehensive union between a man and a woman in which their bodies work towards a common goal -- procreation. Quite clearly, though, I think that there is a proper context for sex (for reasons I provide in my response to her article).


Imagine if we treated food like we do sex. We would only eat in private. Any deviations in the food group - like vegetarians - would be outcast to some fringe corner of the Internet.

Except that eating food does not have public consequences like having sex does, for, after all, sex is, by nature, procreative and so is ordered towards involving a third party (namely, the child).


All of this comes on the off chance that a child might, conceivably, be produced.

It is the liberty and prerogative of couples to film themselves having sex, if they so choose. This is all pornography is. If they then want to profit from it and distribute it to the Internet, it becomes a good like any other.

Sure. I didn't defend the supposition that pornography should be illegal.

If a child was produced from this, it is then their responsibility.

Ah, but I make a stronger claim in my response. I claim that individuals have an obligation to conduct their sexual relations in such a way that they are carried out responsibly, with someone to whom you are committed to in permanence and in a context which in the best interest of any children you may beget.

I personally do not consider a child simply produced accidentally in a field like pornography to be grounds for abortion. But the odds of that happening are so slim.

Well good because I am positively opposed to abortion.

Not to mention this argument ignores the possibility of women engaging in pornography when not menstruating (where, sure, a few can still get pregnant, but this is rare).

But my argument still would apply for my argument doesn't rely on acts which are procreative in effect but rather in procreative acts that are procreative in nature.

I find your points in contradiction. If you view the purpose of sex as purely for procreation (which I do not), then you will have a difficult time justifying monogamy and marriage.
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2/23/2014 12:29:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/23/2014 12:14:01 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/22/2014 11:52:17 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/22/2014 11:26:14 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...


Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.

I think she was fine until she brought up the "Patriarchy."

Your points had more problems throughout. Your entire comparison to pedophilia was absurd because children cannot consent to sexual relations. You also went back to the typical and medieval shackling of people to an outdated fear of sex. The liberation of the sex movement - the idea that sex is not something to be ashamed of - is a wonderful thing.

Thanks for the feedback.

To clarify, I don't think that sex is something to be ashamed of. Indeed, I have never once espoused this supposition. In fact, I think that sex is beautiful insofar as it is the metaphysically comprehensive union between a man and a woman in which their bodies work towards a common goal -- procreation. Quite clearly, though, I think that there is a proper context for sex (for reasons I provide in my response to her article).


Imagine if we treated food like we do sex. We would only eat in private. Any deviations in the food group - like vegetarians - would be outcast to some fringe corner of the Internet.

Except that eating food does not have public consequences like having sex does, for, after all, sex is, by nature, procreative and so is ordered towards involving a third party (namely, the child).


All of this comes on the off chance that a child might, conceivably, be produced.

It is the liberty and prerogative of couples to film themselves having sex, if they so choose. This is all pornography is. If they then want to profit from it and distribute it to the Internet, it becomes a good like any other.

Sure. I didn't defend the supposition that pornography should be illegal.

If a child was produced from this, it is then their responsibility.

Ah, but I make a stronger claim in my response. I claim that individuals have an obligation to conduct their sexual relations in such a way that they are carried out responsibly, with someone to whom you are committed to in permanence and in a context which in the best interest of any children you may beget.

I personally do not consider a child simply produced accidentally in a field like pornography to be grounds for abortion. But the odds of that happening are so slim.

Well good because I am positively opposed to abortion.

Not to mention this argument ignores the possibility of women engaging in pornography when not menstruating (where, sure, a few can still get pregnant, but this is rare).

But my argument still would apply for my argument doesn't rely on acts which are procreative in effect but rather in procreative acts that are procreative in nature.

I find your points in contradiction. If you view the purpose of sex as purely for procreation (which I do not), then you will have a difficult time justifying monogamy and marriage.

Obviously sex is not "purely for procreation." Sex is procreative and unitive in nature. This is unitive aspect is what points to sexual relations being monogamous, not to mention the presence of obligations for parents to care for their children instead of abandoning and cheating on one other. A child's parent's divorcing or separating, after all, undermines the child's rights to have a relationship with his mother and father, and to be raised by his mother and father. A lot more could be said, though.
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2/23/2014 2:32:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...


Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.

Hmm, spend a lot of time formulating thoughts about such topics? Perhaps your screen name should be changed to SovereignWetDream? At any rate, and in short, anyone who has a problem with our society being called on the carpet for very real and reprehensible aspects of its socioeconomic power structure such as patriarchy and androcracy seems to have an emotive bias and is perhaps expressing his own psychological issues in the form and guise of social and ethical musings.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
Juris_Naturalis
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2/23/2014 10:39:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/22/2014 8:57:35 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I recently wrote a reaction piece on a Duke freshman's article as to why she has decided to become a porn star to pay for her tuition. This is her article:

http://www.xojane.com...

Here is my response:

http://sovereigndream.blogspot.com...


Any feedback is appreciated and debate is more than welcome.

I agree with you. By working for the porn biz, she's doing nothing but supporting the objectification of women. End of story.
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2/24/2014 6:52:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 5:27:05 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/23/2014 10:39:48 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.reactiongifs.com...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com...

Is that your way of asking me to post what I really think?
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2/24/2014 7:14:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 7:12:26 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/24/2014 6:52:46 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 5:27:05 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/23/2014 10:39:48 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.reactiongifs.com...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com...

Is that your way of asking me to post what I really think?

http://img.izismile.com...

lol

So, is that a yes, or a no.
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2/24/2014 7:31:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 7:14:55 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 7:12:26 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/24/2014 6:52:46 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 5:27:05 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/23/2014 10:39:48 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.reactiongifs.com...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com...

Is that your way of asking me to post what I really think?

http://img.izismile.com...

lol

So, is that a yes, or a no.

Sure, like I said, I'd appreciate any feedback and would welcome any debate. I won't put your feet to the fire if you don't want to provide any feedback, however. I'm not DDO's evil dictator (yet).
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2/24/2014 7:45:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 7:31:02 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/24/2014 7:14:55 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 7:12:26 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/24/2014 6:52:46 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 5:27:05 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/23/2014 10:39:48 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.reactiongifs.com...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com...

Is that your way of asking me to post what I really think?

http://img.izismile.com...

lol

So, is that a yes, or a no.

Sure, like I said, I'd appreciate any feedback and would welcome any debate. I won't put your feet to the fire if you don't want to provide any feedback, however. I'm not DDO's evil dictator (yet).

I think the fact that she felt it necessary to explain herself is a testament to her own false perception of victimization at the hands of patriarchy -the evil which is as comically nebulous as it is ostensibly nefarious.

I think the fact that you responded to it is emblematic of the extent to which you are unable to reconcile your outlandish prudishness with the more provocative facets of modern society -which is amusing. I don't think you're a sexist by intent per se, so much as you have been taught to believe one thing, and that you have a hard time overcoming the cognitive dissonance associated with things like girls being proud of being in porn with what you consider to be "moral principles." In an ironic twist, above all, I'll bet you went looking for the video.
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2/25/2014 12:34:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 7:45:13 PM, YYW wrote:
I think the fact that she felt it necessary to explain herself is a testament to her own false perception of victimization at the hands of patriarchy -the evil which is as comically nebulous as it is ostensibly nefarious.

Aren't you Swedish or something? Do they teach Swedes English as soon as they're out of the womb or something? (Compliment)

I think the fact that you responded to it is emblematic of the extent to which you are unable to reconcile your outlandish prudishness with the more provocative facets of modern society -which is amusing.

What do you mean by "prudishness"?

I don't think you're a sexist by intent per se, so much as you have been taught to believe one thing, and that you have a hard time overcoming the cognitive dissonance associated with things like girls being proud of being in porn with what you consider to be "moral principles." In an ironic twist, above all, I'll bet you went looking for the video.

I was tempted, of course, but alas I did not. Pornography is certainly something I'm sure many men struggle with. It's pretty tempting, like I said, and staying away from it requires effort.
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2/25/2014 7:09:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/25/2014 12:34:09 AM, SovereignDream wrote:
At 2/24/2014 7:45:13 PM, YYW wrote:
I think the fact that she felt it necessary to explain herself is a testament to her own false perception of victimization at the hands of patriarchy -the evil which is as comically nebulous as it is ostensibly nefarious.

Aren't you Swedish or something?

I am not Swedish. Sweden is an amazing country, though.

Do they teach Swedes English as soon as they're out of the womb or something? (Compliment)

English is my first language.

I think the fact that you responded to it is emblematic of the extent to which you are unable to reconcile your outlandish prudishness with the more provocative facets of modern society -which is amusing.

What do you mean by "prudishness"?

"having or revealing a tendency to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity; excessively concerned with sexual propriety"

Used in a sentence: "Despite the fact that Victorian England saw the first mass publication of erotic novels, 19th century England's cultural attitudes toward sex was characterized by acute sexual prudishness."

I don't think you're a sexist by intent per se, so much as you have been taught to believe one thing, and that you have a hard time overcoming the cognitive dissonance associated with things like girls being proud of being in porn with what you consider to be "moral principles." In an ironic twist, above all, I'll bet you went looking for the video.

I was tempted, of course, but alas I did not. Pornography is certainly something I'm sure many men struggle with. It's pretty tempting, like I said, and staying away from it requires effort.

Sure.
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