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Volkov
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1/21/2010 7:15:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I might have done a thread like this before, but I phrased it differently, here I am phrasing it the way I want it.

I'm helping out right now with a movement called Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament, a surprisingly grassroots organization which is planning rallies across Canada on Saturday, without any interference from the national parties. Its great feeling involved and seeing people get so worked up over an issue, and whats more, I'm going to be a "marshall" at the rally, which is more or less a bouncer - gonna be fun. xD

In light of this, I'm sure some of our more politically astute members are involved in activist groups as well. Whether it be Tea Baggers, or whatever else is out there, what group are you apart of that is politically active?
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1/21/2010 7:24:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I did a few Teaparties a while back. They became a little too conservative and dropped their libertarian supporters.

What do Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament fight for/against?
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1/21/2010 7:27:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 7:24:58 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I did a few Teaparties a while back. They became a little too conservative and dropped their libertarian supporters.

What do Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament fight for/against?

Really?
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1/21/2010 7:28:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 7:18:17 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/21/2010 7:17:17 PM, Nags wrote:
I'll do something once I turn 18.

Why wait?

I feel like I wouldn't get any respect from the older members. I don't want to hold signs and protest, I'd rather organize and such.
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1/21/2010 7:31:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 7:27:05 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 1/21/2010 7:24:58 PM, wjmelements wrote:
What do Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament fight for/against?

Really?

Hell if I know what "Proroguing Parliament" means.
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Volkov
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1/21/2010 7:54:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 7:31:02 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 1/21/2010 7:27:05 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 1/21/2010 7:24:58 PM, wjmelements wrote:
What do Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament fight for/against?

Really?

Hell if I know what "Proroguing Parliament" means.

I think he meant your first sentence. xD

CAPP formed out of opposition to Prime Minister Stephen Harper proroguing Parliament until March 3 - or, in effect, suspending the legislature until March 3. When Parliament is prorogued, the legislature is cancelled out, meaning there is no sitting in the House or Senate, no debates, no committees, nothing. It also means that all bills that have not received royal assent (the same to a President signing a bill into law) during the session are gone and must be redone. Harper destroyed 35 of his bills, worked on throughout the year, including the much-coveted anti-crime bill.

Proroguing itself isn't too controversial. It happens all the time, but usually with a much shorter time period, after all major bills are in law, and usually with unanimous consent of the House - even though it isn't required. When its used like this, its meant to hit a "reset" button and clear the docket of legislation.

Harper hasn't done this for that reason. He did it to a) avoid committees on an issue surrounding the government's compliance in torture; b) to gain an upperhand in our non-elected Senate by appointing 5 senators he said he would never appoint; and c) to deprive the Opposition of a chance to be in-the-news, because when the House sits, the Opposition always gets more press.

Harper thought Canadians wouldn't care. He was very wrong. His party has dropped in the polls because of it; a Facebook page that a government minister claimed was "elitist" and would never go above another page has exploded in members; the press has been hounding him as polls have sad 67% of Canadians disagree with the prorogation, etc.

The CAPP is against this. It wants reform and it wants the prorogation law to be changed as to take away the power wielded by the PM solely on the issue. Its born out of a mix of a feeling of arrogance on the part of Harper, and others have said its because this prorogation feels like a "vacation" - and Canadians don't like that idea, not for elected Parliamentarians, and even unelected Senators.

As an Opposition supporter, I love it. But the CAPP isn't affiliated with any party, and instead is grassroots - to my own surprise, in all honesty. They're planning rallies on Saturday in something like 67 cities, and I'm helping out in Hamilton.
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1/22/2010 4:03:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I went to an Obama rally, and a PRO-UHC protest.
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1/22/2010 4:37:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 4:03:41 AM, ournamestoolong wrote:
I went to an Obama rally, and a PRO-UHC protest.

Cool! Was this an organized event, or just sort of spur-of-the-moment/annoy-GOP-Congressperson/Senator?
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1/22/2010 4:45:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I became a Young Socialist aged 14 and a full member of the Labour Party when I was 15 years old.

However, I left home to study in another part of the country aged 16 and my mum (who was not previously involved in politics) took my place on one of the committees.

From there she got really involved in political activism and now she works in the House of Commons.

Meanwhile, I just go to the local meetings because I have no time to spare for much else. Still, I can count a number of MP's (including two Government Ministers) as my personal friends.
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1/22/2010 5:49:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 4:45:58 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
I became a Young Socialist aged 14 and a full member of the Labour Party when I was 15 years old.

However, I left home to study in another part of the country aged 16 and my mum (who was not previously involved in politics) took my place on one of the committees.

From there she got really involved in political activism and now she works in the House of Commons.

Meanwhile, I just go to the local meetings because I have no time to spare for much else. Still, I can count a number of MP's (including two Government Ministers) as my personal friends.

Brian,

Someone famously criticized socialism. I think it was something like 'the trouble with socialism is TOO MANY MEETINGS."

Who said that?

Tom
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1/22/2010 6:01:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 5:49:08 AM, dogparktom wrote:
At 1/22/2010 4:45:58 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
I became a Young Socialist aged 14 and a full member of the Labour Party when I was 15 years old.

However, I left home to study in another part of the country aged 16 and my mum (who was not previously involved in politics) took my place on one of the committees.

From there she got really involved in political activism and now she works in the House of Commons.

Meanwhile, I just go to the local meetings because I have no time to spare for much else. Still, I can count a number of MP's (including two Government Ministers) as my personal friends.

Brian,

Someone famously criticized socialism. I think it was something like 'the trouble with socialism is TOO MANY MEETINGS."

Who said that?

Tom

Whoever it was, was 100% right! Way too many meetings and not enough action. I thought that right from the start.

On the plus side though, building up connections in the world of politics can be useful. For example, I had a dispute with a London local authority over tax.

They were trying to charge me several thousand pounds a year Community Charge (a local tax) for mooring my boat in a marina in their borough.

I pointed out that because it was on water it was subject to maritime law and not, therefore, within their jurisdiction.

They disagreed and pointed out that all the other berth-holders paid so I made a phone call to one of my mates in Parliament and lo-and-behold, they dropped their claim!
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1/22/2010 6:18:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
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1/22/2010 7:38:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I worked on a few campaigns but it bored me to tears (I thought activism was supposed to be exciting...?). Similarly, I "Marched on Washington" a few times in DC but I don't feel like I accomplished much of anything so I stopped going to those. I think one can be an activist by trying to help change people's minds and discuss stuff and be just as if not more successful than doing things which won't make too much of a difference in the end (like marching). It seemed to work for MLK but not for us lol.
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Volkov
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1/22/2010 8:17:52 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 7:38:07 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I worked on a few campaigns but it bored me to tears (I thought activism was supposed to be exciting...?). Similarly, I "Marched on Washington" a few times in DC but I don't feel like I accomplished much of anything so I stopped going to those. I think one can be an activist by trying to help change people's minds and discuss stuff and be just as if not more successful than doing things which won't make too much of a difference in the end (like marching). It seemed to work for MLK but not for us lol.

The rather planned "marches" and stuff that is generally politically partisan-driven can be boring (unless you're me, of course). Its because it usually lacks the grassroots drive. Like, with the Teabaggers, before the GOP took it over, it was very grassroots - it had a purpose in mind, driven by something the government was actually doing that was perceived as a very threatening negative.

Think of it this way: had the protests in Iran been completely taken over and driven by the reform candidates, it would never have taken off. It took an actual threat to democracy, on the part of a decision by the government, that sparked it. If it was simply politically motivated on the part of the candidates, people would see through that - it gets painfully obvious.
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1/22/2010 8:26:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:17:52 AM, Volkov wrote:

Think of it this way: had the protests in Iran been completely taken over and driven by the reform candidates, it would never have taken off. It took an actual threat to democracy, on the part of a decision by the government, that sparked it.

I'm sorry, but what democracy?

When ultimate power lies with those who're unelected, how is that democracy?
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1/22/2010 8:32:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:26:34 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I'm sorry, but what democracy?

When ultimate power lies with those who're unelected, how is that democracy?

Even a sham democracy like Iran still gets the name "democracy" - they elect the legislatures and the Presidents, and even if they don't have power, those elections placated the people and gave them a sense of power - false though it may be. Then they took that away, and look what happened - it exposed the entire system.
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1/22/2010 8:36:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:32:45 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/22/2010 8:26:34 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I'm sorry, but what democracy?

When ultimate power lies with those who're unelected, how is that democracy?

Even a sham democracy like Iran still gets the name "democracy" - they elect the legislatures and the Presidents, and even if they don't have power, those elections placated the people and gave them a sense of power - false though it may be. Then they took that away, and look what happened - it exposed the entire system.

yeah, but being picky, I'd prefer people only refer to their sham of a democracy as exactly that.
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1/22/2010 8:39:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:36:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
yeah, but being picky, I'd prefer people only refer to their sham of a democracy as exactly that.

Alright, alright. Should I call the US system an oligarchal democracy? xD
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1/22/2010 8:42:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:36:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:

yeah, but being picky, I'd prefer people only refer to their sham of a democracy as exactly that.

Did you know even China claims to be Democratic. It's in their "constitution" so it must be true, right?

I don't like it people accept their bogus language.

Like for DicKtatorships I'd prefer we don't talk about dealing with so and so country but rather, the commies who control China, or the Mullahs who control Iran.
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1/22/2010 8:43:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:39:15 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/22/2010 8:36:04 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
yeah, but being picky, I'd prefer people only refer to their sham of a democracy as exactly that.

Alright, alright. Should I call the US system an oligarchal democracy? xD

No a representative based republic, with a presidential system, In which ALL powers are ultimately derived from the people's free choice.
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1/22/2010 8:44:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:43:32 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
No a representative based republic, with a presidential system, In which ALL powers are ultimately derived from the people's free choice.

Ahuh. I'll believe that when the ability of a handful of companies and families can run entire campaigns has ended. :P
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1/22/2010 8:46:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 8:44:56 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/22/2010 8:43:32 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
No a representative based republic, with a presidential system, In which ALL powers are ultimately derived from the people's free choice.

Ahuh. I'll believe that when the ability of a handful of companies and families can run entire campaigns has ended. :P

lol, ok, just choice then :)
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1/22/2010 9:25:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Let's see...

I'm the head of my university's NDP campus club, I'm on the provincial youth council for the party, I've worked in several campaigns; two in my hometown, once just as a volunteer then as a volunteer coordinator. I then did some work on a by-election elsewhere in the province, and I'm now working as a canvass organizer for the (possibly) upcoming election.

I'm also the head of a sustainability group in my university, and I'm involved with a myriad of other groups I don't feel like listing.
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1/22/2010 9:30:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 9:25:19 AM, MistahKurtz wrote:
Let's see...

I'm the head of my university's NDP campus club, I'm on the provincial youth council for the party, I've worked in several campaigns; two in my hometown, once just as a volunteer then as a volunteer coordinator. I then did some work on a by-election elsewhere in the province, and I'm now working as a canvass organizer for the (possibly) upcoming election.

I'm also the head of a sustainability group in my university, and I'm involved with a myriad of other groups I don't feel like listing.

I met a Dipper youth head - are you all wiry and hooked on caffeine?

But, very cool, Kurtz. I admire your involvement.
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1/22/2010 12:27:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 4:37:00 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/22/2010 4:03:41 AM, ournamestoolong wrote:
I went to an Obama rally, and a PRO-UHC protest.

Cool! Was this an organized event, or just sort of spur-of-the-moment/annoy-GOP-Congressperson/Senator?

It was organized. It was for labor day and was PRO-labor union, but the main point was healthcare.
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