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comoncents
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1/23/2010 11:26:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is warning fellow Republicans that conservatives may leave the GOP for a third party in 2012.

"If the Republicans can't break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012," Gingrich said Wednesday during a speech at the College of the Ozarks in Missouri, the local television station KY3 reported.

Gingrich thrashed Republicans for allowing increased spending during the Bush administration and for not doing enough to block President Barack Obama's early initiatives.

"Remember, everything Obama's doing, Bush started last year," Gingrich said. "If you're going to talk about big spending, the mistakes of the Bush administration last year are fully as bad as the mistakes of Obama's first two, three months."

The former speaker also attacked the Democratic president on the economic stimulus package and for what he called his "grotesque arrogance" to oust Rick Wagoner as the head of General Motors.

"During the period I was speaker, the U.S. government – for four years – total growth was 2.9 percent a year. Under Bush, it was 6.1 percent. ... This year, I think it will be 36 percent in one year," Gingrich said. "It is just literally irrational."

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comoncents
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1/23/2010 11:29:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 11:27:37 AM, Nags wrote:
Gingrich is just being whiny because he know he'll never be President. He's just an attention whore.

What do you not like about him?
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1/23/2010 11:31:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It's not that I don't like him, it's just that he loves to be in the news and will say anything to be recognized. A third party isn't going to happen.
Volkov
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1/23/2010 12:27:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 11:31:29 AM, Nags wrote:
It's not that I don't like him, it's just that he loves to be in the news and will say anything to be recognized. A third party isn't going to happen.

I agree, though maybe not for the reasons you believe. The GOP, despite its successes, is still poison - only 30% of people would apparently bother to vote for the GOP, and as I've been pouring over some pictures, Scott Brown was almost elected as an independent - there are barely any signs of the GOP brand anywhere.

And while the fact that the GOP being a small mess is an important factor for fissures to arise, there will be no third-party. Not because people love the GOP, and not because third-party funding has so many obstacles its not even funny. It isn't even because the GOP is full of the insane. Its because the GOP is the only opposition in Washington, and no conservative really worth their salt will propose a new party, split the right, and keep the Democratic hold in the House.

Instead, the GOP will try to reform themselves to appeal to their base more. Its why they're taking the "moderation" route off the table and focusing on grabbing their base. It isn't a strategy I would endorse, but it will help - the GOP will get their base energized, make sure they stay within the GOP fold, and then worry about independents later. Because right now, their problem isn't moderate voters - its their base. I mean, there is quite a lot of Tea Partiers that would give a big "f*ck you" to a Republican right now.
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1/23/2010 12:35:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You're OK for the most part, but you're making it seem like the GOP is crap right now, and that Democrats are liked. The GOP is leading by 2.5 in the generic congressional ballot right now. http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
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1/23/2010 12:37:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 12:27:10 PM, Volkov wrote:
and as I've been pouring over some pictures, Scott Brown was almost elected as an independent - there are barely any signs of the GOP brand anywhere.

Well, seeing how only about 12% of voters in MA are registered with the GOP... obvious analysis is obvious.
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1/23/2010 12:37:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 12:35:09 PM, Nags wrote:
You're OK for the most part, but you're making it seem like the GOP is crap right now, and that Democrats are liked. The GOP is leading by 2.5 in the generic congressional ballot right now. http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Oh, no no, I didn't mean that, lol. The Democrats have issues right now, too. I think both parties have issues. After the "hope" of Obama, his essentially status-quo presidency has hurt him and his party. But, the GOP definitely has issues as well.
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1/23/2010 1:40:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
No fan of Gingrich. At all. AT ALL. But he has a point about the Bush spending. If it weren't for Bush, the stimulus package wouldn't even be necessary.

Self-destruction of the Republican Party. Just wow. Even after GOP pick-ups in three states, the party will now lose its credibility even more, now. Gingrich is pretty much the mascot of the modern day GOP, if not Rush Limbaugh. If he leaves it, they're screwed.
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Volkov
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1/23/2010 1:48:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 1:40:44 PM, Scott_Mann wrote:
No fan of Gingrich. At all. AT ALL. But he has a point about the Bush spending. If it weren't for Bush, the stimulus package wouldn't even be necessary.

Self-destruction of the Republican Party. Just wow. Even after GOP pick-ups in three states, the party will now lose its credibility even more, now. Gingrich is pretty much the mascot of the modern day GOP, if not Rush Limbaugh. If he leaves it, they're screwed.

Eh. If he leaves, sure, but I doubt he will, even if a viable third option pops up.

I mean, I've studied the collapse of political parties before, and the GOP isn't collapsing. It could collapse, but it isn't. Had Obama not been so status-quo, it might have. But now, with the base energized and wins under their belt, the party won't collapse. There is no issue out there now that can harm them that could overshadow the theme "Republicans - united opposition."
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1/23/2010 1:53:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 1:40:44 PM, Scott_Mann wrote:
No fan of Gingrich. At all. AT ALL. But he has a point about the Bush spending. If it weren't for Bush, the stimulus package wouldn't even be necessary.

Self-destruction of the Republican Party. Just wow. Even after GOP pick-ups in three states, the party will now lose its credibility even more, now. Gingrich is pretty much the mascot of the modern day GOP, if not Rush Limbaugh. If he leaves it, they're screwed.

Why doesn't newt have a chance!?

What is the problem with him?
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1/23/2010 2:02:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 1:53:22 PM, comoncents wrote:
Why doesn't newt have a chance!?


What is the problem with him?

Too old, both in the literal and political sense. Plus, its easy to paint Gingrich as either too extreme or too bland. If the GOP want to run another McCain, he'd be good, but right now they need someone that seems to be a reformer, not a status-quo divorcee.
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1/23/2010 2:49:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 1:53:22 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 1/23/2010 1:40:44 PM, Scott_Mann wrote:
No fan of Gingrich. At all. AT ALL. But he has a point about the Bush spending. If it weren't for Bush, the stimulus package wouldn't even be necessary.

Self-destruction of the Republican Party. Just wow. Even after GOP pick-ups in three states, the party will now lose its credibility even more, now. Gingrich is pretty much the mascot of the modern day GOP, if not Rush Limbaugh. If he leaves it, they're screwed.


Why doesn't newt have a chance!?


What is the problem with him?

He's a total hypocrite, blaming Clinton for everything, pushed to no end for his impeachment (despite the fact that he was screwing some chick himself- you don't ever hear about that, though), and he would be too pro-war, more than likely. He is also a total puppet to the Republican Party (even now, probably), so whatever the GOP thinks of something, he'll believe in it, despite his recent criticism of how the oppositions to liberal agendas are being carried out.

Absolutely no class. Once shut down the government because he was told to sit in the back of Air Force One, over a simple budget bill.

He lost his entire credibility in 1998, so he's not even in politics anymore. Basically, a Gingrich administration will be twice as bad as the Bush years, with failures every step of the corner. He's just another hard-core, conservative Republican. (Keep in mind that this is different than a Libertarian.) There would definitely be more government and restrictions to the Bill of Rights under his watch.
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1/23/2010 3:36:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
There is always a lot of soul searching and acrimonious debate within a political party that is used to being in power following an electoral defeat.

The hard-liners will argue that they disenfranchised their core vote by not being radical enough while the moderates contend that they put the voters off by appearing too extreme.

Both camps are correct to a point, but the fact is that in order to win an election you need to appeal to more than your core supporters so lurching to the far right will doom the Republicans to another term in opposition.
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1/23/2010 3:41:49 PM
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At 1/23/2010 3:36:21 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
There is always a lot of soul searching and acrimonious debate within a political party that is used to being in power following an electoral defeat.

Rationalizing for the May/June election, eh?

The hard-liners will argue that they disenfranchised their core vote by not being radical enough while the moderates contend that they put the voters off by appearing too extreme.

Both camps are correct to a point, but the fact is that in order to win an election you need to appeal to more than your core supporters so lurching to the far right will doom the Republicans to another term in opposition.

That might be the plan. With elections in the US, they come every two years essentially - and the GOP might allow themselves to stay in Opposition and recalibrate. Change takes time.
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1/23/2010 3:53:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 3:41:49 PM, Volkov wrote:

Rationalizing for the May/June election, eh?

Yes! The voters would never swallow the policies I would like to see implemented!

That might be the plan. With elections in the US, they come every two years essentially - and the GOP might allow themselves to stay in Opposition and recalibrate. Change takes time.

True.
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1/23/2010 8:50:30 PM
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At 1/23/2010 3:36:21 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
There is always a lot of soul searching and acrimonious debate within a political
Both camps are correct to a point, but the fact is that in order to win an election you need to appeal to more than your core supporters so lurching to the far right will doom the Republicans to another term in opposition.

That's why Obama may be one of the last of the "far left/far right" politicians in office... if you can even call him that.

Someday we'll be seeing the election of the first America's Independent president...
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1/23/2010 10:16:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 8:50:30 PM, Scott_Mann wrote:
Someday we'll be seeing the election of the first America's Independent president...

Independents tend to be more extreme than party candidates, at times. Whats that Vermont senator's name again?