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3/18/2014 3:44:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
A new documentary called "Diaoyu Islands- The Truth" was released few days ago. The documentary maker(Chris Nebe) was sympathetic to the Chinese and supporting the idea that they have claims to the islands. Nebe wants the United States to urge Japan to give back the islands. Should the United States interfere at all?

Note: Apparently one DDOer was so angry about this; they wrote a letter to all their elected officials tell them that the Diaoyu Islands belong to Japan. Good for them.
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3/18/2014 3:57:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 3:44:27 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
A new documentary called "Diaoyu Islands- The Truth" was released few days ago. The documentary maker(Chris Nebe) was sympathetic to the Chinese and supporting the idea that they have claims to the islands. Nebe wants the United States to urge Japan to give back the islands. Should the United States interfere at all?

Note: Apparently one DDOer was so angry about this; they wrote a letter to all their elected officials tell them that the Diaoyu Islands belong to Japan. Good for them.



Well first of all, you should clarify if you are referring to the PRC or ROC, as both want the islands. But Japan should not entertain either claim. They both want the islands to get the upper hand on each other.

While the ROC seems a more likely candidate for the islands, Japan should never consider giving them to the PRC. They would likely build a small naval base/docking station, which would be crucial as they would provide PLV ships a launch area north of Taipei.

In short, the islands are in better hands at the moment, and Japan should retain control. If the islands were to be given to either side, they would be militarized, and its also pretty bad for the wildlife. Plus, residents are most likely to identify with Japan, as Okinawa and Ishigaki were integrated with Japanese culture.
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3/18/2014 4:06:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 3:57:56 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Well first of all, you should clarify if you are referring to the PRC or ROC, as both want the islands. But Japan should not entertain either claim. They both want the islands to get the upper hand on each other.

While the ROC seems a more likely candidate for the islands, Japan should never consider giving them to the PRC. They would likely build a small naval base/docking station, which would be crucial as they would provide PLV ships a launch area north of Taipei.

In short, the islands are in better hands at the moment, and Japan should retain control. If the islands were to be given to either side, they would be militarized, and its also pretty bad for the wildlife. Plus, residents are most likely to identify with Japan, as Okinawa and Ishigaki were integrated with Japanese culture.

I was referring to the PRC. Why does Taiwan have more of claim than mainland China?

I agree; Japan should not give the islands to the PRC. The PRC is trying to control the East and South China Seas says for military and trade purposes.

Okinawa and Ishigaki are different stories altogether. Okinawa and Ishigaki are not being disputed. Okinawa and Ishigaki were part of the Ryuku Kingdom. The kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma from the 17th century until the 19th century.
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3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:06:56 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 3:57:56 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Well first of all, you should clarify if you are referring to the PRC or ROC, as both want the islands. But Japan should not entertain either claim. They both want the islands to get the upper hand on each other.

While the ROC seems a more likely candidate for the islands, Japan should never consider giving them to the PRC. They would likely build a small naval base/docking station, which would be crucial as they would provide PLV ships a launch area north of Taipei.

In short, the islands are in better hands at the moment, and Japan should retain control. If the islands were to be given to either side, they would be militarized, and its also pretty bad for the wildlife. Plus, residents are most likely to identify with Japan, as Okinawa and Ishigaki were integrated with Japanese culture.

I was referring to the PRC. Why does Taiwan have more of claim than mainland China?

I agree; Japan should not give the islands to the PRC. The PRC is trying to control the East and South China Seas says for military and trade purposes.

Okinawa and Ishigaki are different stories altogether. Okinawa and Ishigaki are not being disputed. Okinawa and Ishigaki were part of the Ryuku Kingdom. The kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma from the 17th century until the 19th century.

Well Taiwan also has a claim, but it is as one sided as the PRC's. I just think Taiwan would be more responsible, for reasons you've already stated.

That's the problem though. Ishigaki is within the islands. Are they not apart of the claim as well? Or is it just the smaller rocky islands below, as they are very hard for any development.
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3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Well Taiwan also has a claim, but it is as one sided as the PRC's. I just think Taiwan would be more responsible, for reasons you've already stated.
Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.

That's the problem though. Ishigaki is within the islands. Are they not apart of the claim as well? Or is it just the smaller rocky islands below, as they are very hard for any development.

I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.
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3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...
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3/18/2014 7:36:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Your biased opinion is not helpful. Stop acting like a China hating teenager and consider adding your two cents worth in a helpful way.
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3/18/2014 7:38:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 7:36:02 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Your biased opinion is not helpful. Stop acting like a China hating teenager and consider adding your two cents worth in a helpful way.

Anything else you want to cry about?
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3/18/2014 10:18:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 7:38:57 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:36:02 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Your biased opinion is not helpful. Stop acting like a China hating teenager and consider adding your two cents worth in a helpful way.

Anything else you want to cry about?



Only that you are a mutt. Bad breeding appears to be the issue.
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3/19/2014 8:23:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Yes, your right. The Ishigaki islands are n9t being disputed at all.
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3/19/2014 8:24:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:23:41 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Yes, your right. The Ishigaki islands are n9t being disputed at all.

That is good to know. Thanks for double checking.
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3/19/2014 8:26:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 10:18:20 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:38:57 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:36:02 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Your biased opinion is not helpful. Stop acting like a China hating teenager and consider adding your two cents worth in a helpful way.

Anything else you want to cry about?




Only that you are a mutt. Bad breeding appears to be the issue.

Monty, you really need a reality check.

1. You defended that Russia had no troops in Crimea -_-

2. You defended Mao's Cultural Revolution -_-

3. You gave a million baseless anti US opinions -_-

Our opinion is not baseless. The PLV would use the islands for the sole purpose of Militarizing the ROC's northern seas, and that's a fact.
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3/19/2014 8:34:18 AM
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"Historically, Laos was part of Thailand before being annexed by France, then Japan, then France, then Independence"

If Diaoyu belongs to China, then Laos belongs to Thailand!
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3/19/2014 8:41:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:26:40 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 10:18:20 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:38:57 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:36:02 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Your biased opinion is not helpful. Stop acting like a China hating teenager and consider adding your two cents worth in a helpful way.

Anything else you want to cry about?




Only that you are a mutt. Bad breeding appears to be the issue.

Monty, you really need a reality check.

1. You defended that Russia had no troops in Crimea -_-
No surprise.

2. You defended Mao's Cultural Revolution -_-
WHAT?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!

3. You gave a million baseless anti US opinions -_-
Agreed

Our opinion is not baseless. The PLV would use the islands for the sole purpose of Militarizing the ROC's northern seas, and that's a fact.
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3/19/2014 8:46:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:41:09 AM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 8:26:40 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 10:18:20 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:38:57 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:36:02 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:01:21 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:26:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:21:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:10:58 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Agreed but I don't think the ROC is stronger. The PRC would rather bully its way to getting the islands rather than allow Taiwan to get it.


I don't see how either of the Chinese countries, the PRC or the ROC can lay claim to Ishigaki since it was part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Keep in mind; when the Ryukyu Kingdom was a protectorate of Satsuma they were supposed to be paying tribute to the mainland Chinese dynasties. Either way; Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands which was part of the kingdom.

Well I looked it up, and only Tiaoyutai and Diayu are being disputed. Are you sure Ishigaki was apart of Ryukyu?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"According to The Historical Analyses of the Diaoyu Islands by Japanese academic Kiyoshi Inoue, British naval vessel Samarang set sail from the Ryukyu Kingdom's Yaeyama Islands and Yonaguni Island and reached the Ishigaki Island on June 14, 1845. "

http://www.chinadailyasia.com...

Ishigaki is part of the Yaeyama Islands. Which is part of the Okinawa Prefecture.

http://www.japan-guide.com...

Your biased opinion is not helpful. Stop acting like a China hating teenager and consider adding your two cents worth in a helpful way.

Anything else you want to cry about?




Only that you are a mutt. Bad breeding appears to be the issue.

Monty, you really need a reality check.

1. You defended that Russia had no troops in Crimea -_-
No surprise.

2. You defended Mao's Cultural Revolution -_-
WHAT?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!

3. You gave a million baseless anti US opinions -_-
Agreed

Our opinion is not baseless. The PLV would use the islands for the sole purpose of Militarizing the ROC's northern seas, and that's a fact.

Take a look at the Crimea forum I made. He used a Russian government website to back up his argument. Regardless of the fact that Russia's media freedom is worst then most dictatorships, which I'm starting to think it is.

http://www.freedomhouse.org...

http://en.rsf.org...

http://www.heritage.org...
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3/19/2014 8:48:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:46:24 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:

I will check this out immediately. I am just shocked that anyone would defend the Cultural Revolution. These were extremely terrible times in China. Also I don't hate China like he claims. I speak and write in Mandarin.
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3/19/2014 12:36:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:48:49 AM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 8:46:24 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:

I will check this out immediately. I am just shocked that anyone would defend the Cultural Revolution. These were extremely terrible times in China. Also I don't hate China like he claims. I speak and write in Mandarin.

The ROC owns the Diaoyu Islands and have the most valid claim.

Why? Because I said so. Why not? Because DDO's mutt said so.
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3/19/2014 12:55:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 12:36:54 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 8:48:49 AM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 8:46:24 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:

I will check this out immediately. I am just shocked that anyone would defend the Cultural Revolution. These were extremely terrible times in China. Also I don't hate China like he claims. I speak and write in Mandarin.

The ROC owns the Diaoyu Islands and have the most valid claim.

Why? Because I said so. Why not? Because DDO's mutt said so.
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