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3/31/2014 2:51:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The ACA exceeds all expectations. Poor people cry for joy at finally getting affordable health care. Obama's presidency can be declared a huge success on this alone.

It's time for the racists and the haters to crawl back into their closets in the US south. Finally the civil war can be declared to be over!
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3/31/2014 3:50:04 PM
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At 3/31/2014 2:51:38 PM, monty1 wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The ACA exceeds all expectations. Poor people cry for joy at finally getting affordable health care. Obama's presidency can be declared a huge success on this alone.

It's time for the racists and the haters to crawl back into their closets in the US south. Finally the civil war can be declared to be over!

A blessing! A blessing from the Lord!
God be praised!
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3/31/2014 4:07:44 PM
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At 3/31/2014 2:51:38 PM, monty1 wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The ACA exceeds all expectations. Poor people cry for joy at finally getting affordable health care. Obama's presidency can be declared a huge success on this alone.

It's time for the racists and the haters to crawl back into their closets in the US south. Finally the civil war can be declared to be over!

You are not afraid of the Death Squads? Come to think of it, I have not seen Palin around lately. I think she is hiding from the Death Squads.
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3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM
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I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.
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3/31/2014 6:45:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.
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3/31/2014 7:33:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

This. 100% this, except for the last sentence. I personally wouldn't like this to be solved with a public option, but the cartelization of the Healthcare industry absolutely needs to be broken up. Introduce competition into the market, and it can't be slowly, it has to be a shock to the industry so the existing firms with their market power can't price their competition out of the market one by one.
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4/1/2014 1:59:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/31/2014 7:33:52 PM, blaze8 wrote:
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

This. 100% this, except for the last sentence. I personally wouldn't like this to be solved with a public option, but the cartelization of the Healthcare industry absolutely needs to be broken up. Introduce competition into the market, and it can't be slowly, it has to be a shock to the industry so the existing firms with their market power can't price their competition out of the market one by one.

How else can the underlined not be conceived as a government option? If competition has not been introduced in an unregulated market, that means only the government has the means to do this.
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If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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4/1/2014 2:56:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

progressive, like your name indicates, human advancement comes in steps. It's going most of the country to come together before healthcare is declared a right . . . but the Affordable Care Act is definitely a step in the right direction!
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4/1/2014 3:21:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

The next logical step in this is single payer health care.

Insurance is the reality of the land, and we cannot, in a single stroke eliminate that reality. the people that run the insurance companies have mortgages, families, etc. The transition from a massive insurance industrial complex to single payer health care will need to be gradual.
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4/1/2014 7:08:10 AM
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At 4/1/2014 3:21:19 AM, neutral wrote:
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

The next logical step in this is single payer health care.

Insurance is the reality of the land, and we cannot, in a single stroke eliminate that reality. the people that run the insurance companies have mortgages, families, etc. The transition from a massive insurance industrial complex to single payer health care will need to be gradual.

I wouldn't mind a gradual transformation. In fact, I wouldn't mind simply adding a strong public option. Indeed, there's a similar problem in defense: defense spending, like health care spending, is a significant component of GDP, and it will hurt the economy immensely in the short run to slash away at either. But I wouldn't mind phasing into this system and having strong macro policies to address the "losers" of this policy, in much the same way as I would want to have policies in place to address those who lose from free trade.
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4/1/2014 7:43:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/31/2014 3:50:04 PM, el_em_en_oh wrote:
At 3/31/2014 2:51:38 PM, monty1 wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The ACA exceeds all expectations. Poor people cry for joy at finally getting affordable health care. Obama's presidency can be declared a huge success on this alone.

It's time for the racists and the haters to crawl back into their closets in the US south. Finally the civil war can be declared to be over!

A blessing! A blessing from the Lord!
God be praised!

Wow... I was being facetious.

Guess that went over everyone's head, as you all seem to be patting each other on the back regarding how 'successful' the ACA/Obamacare is/will be/has been.

No one is arguing that the healthcare system didn't need reform. On the contrary. But having this hunk of crap rammed down our throats? Oh sure, Dems are 100% behind the program NOW, but if you remember, not too long ago, 75% of the country WAS NOT for it. Then the infamous words of Sebelius: "But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what's in it....".

Next thing you know, Dems are on board, and all is well. Meanwhile, 50% of the country (the intelligent Conservative/Republican half), is having to eat ACA/Obamacare for breakfast, lunch & dinner.

Who is going to pay for the ACA/Obamacare, by the way? HOW many people gained insurance? (6M) How many people are going to LOSE coverage once the employer mandate kicks in? (25-30M) The Left are supporting a program that's going to have more people LOSE coverage than GAIN.

I'm going to get flamed for this, I know, but I had to speak my mind. I'm tired of the Left sitting around patting each other on the back and sucking each other's Richard's as if the ACA/Obamacare is somehow a GOOD thing. The system was broken before, and now moreso.
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4/1/2014 8:01:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 1:59:18 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 3/31/2014 7:33:52 PM, blaze8 wrote:
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

This. 100% this, except for the last sentence. I personally wouldn't like this to be solved with a public option, but the cartelization of the Healthcare industry absolutely needs to be broken up. Introduce competition into the market, and it can't be slowly, it has to be a shock to the industry so the existing firms with their market power can't price their competition out of the market one by one.

How else can the underlined not be conceived as a government option? If competition has not been introduced in an unregulated market, that means only the government has the means to do this.

Introducing a government option is a possibility, but i'd point anyone who thinks government can plan better in any industry than the market can delegate to the Socialist Calculation Controversy (which Hayek wins, btw). The healthcare insurance industry is actually regulated quite a bit. The federal government has set up oligopolies within each state by refusing to allow plans to be sold across state lines, along with other policies. The result is a couple large companies in each state exercising regional control over their very small market. Open it up so that every company can sell plans nationwide, and the shock to the market will reduce the chances of market power being consolidated quickly to force others out of the running.
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4/1/2014 8:21:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 8:01:02 AM, blaze8 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 1:59:18 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 3/31/2014 7:33:52 PM, blaze8 wrote:
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

This. 100% this, except for the last sentence. I personally wouldn't like this to be solved with a public option, but the cartelization of the Healthcare industry absolutely needs to be broken up. Introduce competition into the market, and it can't be slowly, it has to be a shock to the industry so the existing firms with their market power can't price their competition out of the market one by one.

How else can the underlined not be conceived as a government option? If competition has not been introduced in an unregulated market, that means only the government has the means to do this.

Introducing a government option is a possibility, but i'd point anyone who thinks government can plan better in any industry than the market can delegate to the Socialist Calculation Controversy (which Hayek wins, btw). The healthcare insurance industry is actually regulated quite a bit. The federal government has set up oligopolies within each state by refusing to allow plans to be sold across state lines, along with other policies. The result is a couple large companies in each state exercising regional control over their very small market. Open it up so that every company can sell plans nationwide, and the shock to the market will reduce the chances of market power being consolidated quickly to force others out of the running.

My worry about competition over state lines is that companies will be effectively immune to regulations. You mentioned that federal regulations are quite substantial. That's actually not my reading of it. If that's true, and there are enough laws on the books to circumvent unethical behavior -- e.g., denying for preexisting conditions, lifetime caps, et al. (essentially, the things the ACA addresses) -- I wouldn't mind competition over state lines. I do question whether it will restrict barriers to entry, though, or will simply exacerbate the massive market share that the largest insurance companies already possess.
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4/1/2014 10:11:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 8:21:26 AM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 8:01:02 AM, blaze8 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 1:59:18 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 3/31/2014 7:33:52 PM, blaze8 wrote:
At 3/31/2014 5:47:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'd hate to be a debbie downer....well, actually, I'd love to be.

Obviously this is good news, but let's face it: the biggest winners are the insurance companies who will continue to operate a cartel. There isn't even a public option in this bill. It's adequate, at best, which is why the Heritage Foundation was the one to codify it. If we want any real progress, it's about time we join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care as a right.

This. 100% this, except for the last sentence. I personally wouldn't like this to be solved with a public option, but the cartelization of the Healthcare industry absolutely needs to be broken up. Introduce competition into the market, and it can't be slowly, it has to be a shock to the industry so the existing firms with their market power can't price their competition out of the market one by one.

How else can the underlined not be conceived as a government option? If competition has not been introduced in an unregulated market, that means only the government has the means to do this.

Introducing a government option is a possibility, but i'd point anyone who thinks government can plan better in any industry than the market can delegate to the Socialist Calculation Controversy (which Hayek wins, btw). The healthcare insurance industry is actually regulated quite a bit. The federal government has set up oligopolies within each state by refusing to allow plans to be sold across state lines, along with other policies. The result is a couple large companies in each state exercising regional control over their very small market. Open it up so that every company can sell plans nationwide, and the shock to the market will reduce the chances of market power being consolidated quickly to force others out of the running.

My worry about competition over state lines is that companies will be effectively immune to regulations. You mentioned that federal regulations are quite substantial. That's actually not my reading of it. If that's true, and there are enough laws on the books to circumvent unethical behavior -- e.g., denying for preexisting conditions, lifetime caps, et al. (essentially, the things the ACA addresses) -- I wouldn't mind competition over state lines. I do question whether it will restrict barriers to entry, though, or will simply exacerbate the massive market share that the largest insurance companies already possess.

My apologies, I did not intend to say that federal regulations were substantial, I meant to say that regulations overall, from the federal and state level, are substantial. The federal regulations set up the state oligopolies by restricting the market to each individual state, and then the states themselves heavily regulate the industry from there. The following link provides a good outline of the regulatory environment health insurance companies operated in before the ACA: http://www.allhealth.org...

Opening up to allow insurance coverage to be sold across state lines will open up the industry to the Commerce clause, allowing the Federal Government to intervene if market power becomes too concentrated. I'd be in favor of Federal intervention to protect competition in the market, but only if it refrains from entering the market itself.

As to the barriers to entry, I suppose one possibility would be that each respective company agrees off the record to stay in their respective geographical markets, but that would probably be hard to accomplish if everyone is given the legal ability to purchase a plan from a company operating in a different geographical location. What we could see is a national oligopoly formed, but that would be tempered to a degree by anti-trust policies that could be undertaken by the Federal government in line with the Commerce Clause.
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4/1/2014 11:05:24 AM
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Be careful of ever accepting Canadian style universal health care Americans. I lost all my grandparents to the death panels. And they took them on their 60th. birthdays! None of them even got a chance to blow out the candles!
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4/1/2014 2:06:03 PM
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Obama has done it? A huge success? Sorry, but that's just not the way that I see it. He's wasted millions and billions and TRILLIONS of dollars on obscure research that has no purpose, doesn't benefit us in any way, and is just a WASTE of money.

Plus, socialized healthcare? Sounds to good to be true. News Flash: That's because it is. This "Free Healthcare" Is not so "Free" as one might think. All the money that you think you're not paying is actually passed off to the "rich." Just because I make more money than you doesn't mean I can afford to pay your bills for you.

Plus, they're talking about not giving healthcare to the elderly and disabled? Do you know what, the sounds familiar. Oh, right! HITLER DID THAT! Also, gun control... Hitler did that too!

This country is heading towards communism fast, and most people are cheering it on. I don't want to sound immature here, but Padme said it herself, "So this is how liberty dies. With thundering Applause."

So the next time that you look at your so called "free health care" just think about the people who you're hurting with it. My only comfort lies in knowing that Obama will leave office in a couple of years, and that maybe... Just maybe... We can get someone better in there.
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4/1/2014 2:30:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 2:06:03 PM, Cameron_Christensen wrote:
Obama has done it? A huge success? Sorry, but that's just not the way that I see it. He's wasted millions and billions and TRILLIONS of dollars on obscure research that has no purpose, doesn't benefit us in any way, and is just a WASTE of money.
What does research have to do with Obamacare?

Plus, socialized healthcare? Sounds to good to be true. News Flash: That's because it is. This "Free Healthcare" Is not so "Free" as one might think. All the money that you think you're not paying is actually passed off to the "rich." Just because I make more money than you doesn't mean I can afford to pay your bills for you.
Socialized healthcare can actually be cheaper, due to its streamlining.
My issue with it isn't its cost.

Plus, they're talking about not giving healthcare to the elderly and disabled? Do you know what, the sounds familiar. Oh, right! HITLER DID THAT! Also, gun control... Hitler did that too!
Ummmm, you mean Medicare and Medicaid? That's been around for decades, bro.
What are you talking about?

This country is heading towards communism fast, and most people are cheering it on. I don't want to sound immature here, but Padme said it herself, "So this is how liberty dies. With thundering Applause."
I'd say it is more socialism, and it does have its merits.
Or, as a teen, do you pay rent?

So the next time that you look at your so called "free health care" just think about the people who you're hurting with it. My only comfort lies in knowing that Obama will leave office in a couple of years, and that maybe... Just maybe... We can get someone better in there.

Is this about Obama, or Canada (and others)?
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/1/2014 2:34:52 PM
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At 4/1/2014 2:06:03 PM, Cameron_Christensen wrote:
Obama has done it? A huge success? Sorry, but that's just not the way that I see it. He's wasted millions and billions and TRILLIONS of dollars on obscure research that has no purpose, doesn't benefit us in any way, and is just a WASTE of money.

Plus, socialized healthcare? Sounds to good to be true. News Flash: That's because it is. This "Free Healthcare" Is not so "Free" as one might think. All the money that you think you're not paying is actually passed off to the "rich." Just because I make more money than you doesn't mean I can afford to pay your bills for you.

Plus, they're talking about not giving healthcare to the elderly and disabled? Do you know what, the sounds familiar. Oh, right! HITLER DID THAT! Also, gun control... Hitler did that too!

This country is heading towards communism fast, and most people are cheering it on. I don't want to sound immature here, but Padme said it herself, "So this is how liberty dies. With thundering Applause."

So the next time that you look at your so called "free health care" just think about the people who you're hurting with it. My only comfort lies in knowing that Obama will leave office in a couple of years, and that maybe... Just maybe... We can get someone better in there.

Who's talking about not giving health care to the elderly and the disabled in America? You must be thinking of Canada where we have death panels for the disabled now too. Did you know that if a person over the age of 60 goes into an emergency room with a broken leg that there is a back door with a chute that leads to the crematoriums? Hitler shot em first, we don't bother.

Sarah Palin had it right!
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4/1/2014 2:49:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 2:34:52 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 2:06:03 PM, Cameron_Christensen wrote:
Obama has done it? A huge success? Sorry, but that's just not the way that I see it. He's wasted millions and billions and TRILLIONS of dollars on obscure research that has no purpose, doesn't benefit us in any way, and is just a WASTE of money.

Plus, socialized healthcare? Sounds to good to be true. News Flash: That's because it is. This "Free Healthcare" Is not so "Free" as one might think. All the money that you think you're not paying is actually passed off to the "rich." Just because I make more money than you doesn't mean I can afford to pay your bills for you.

Plus, they're talking about not giving healthcare to the elderly and disabled? Do you know what, the sounds familiar. Oh, right! HITLER DID THAT! Also, gun control... Hitler did that too!

This country is heading towards communism fast, and most people are cheering it on. I don't want to sound immature here, but Padme said it herself, "So this is how liberty dies. With thundering Applause."

So the next time that you look at your so called "free health care" just think about the people who you're hurting with it. My only comfort lies in knowing that Obama will leave office in a couple of years, and that maybe... Just maybe... We can get someone better in there.

Who's talking about not giving health care to the elderly and the disabled in America? You must be thinking of Canada where we have death panels for the disabled now too. Did you know that if a person over the age of 60 goes into an emergency room with a broken leg that there is a back door with a chute that leads to the crematoriums? Hitler shot em first, we don't bother.

Sarah Palin had it right!

So troll...
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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4/1/2014 3:09:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 2:49:56 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 4/1/2014 2:34:52 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 2:06:03 PM, Cameron_Christensen wrote:
Obama has done it? A huge success? Sorry, but that's just not the way that I see it. He's wasted millions and billions and TRILLIONS of dollars on obscure research that has no purpose, doesn't benefit us in any way, and is just a WASTE of money.

Plus, socialized healthcare? Sounds to good to be true. News Flash: That's because it is. This "Free Healthcare" Is not so "Free" as one might think. All the money that you think you're not paying is actually passed off to the "rich." Just because I make more money than you doesn't mean I can afford to pay your bills for you.

Plus, they're talking about not giving healthcare to the elderly and disabled? Do you know what, the sounds familiar. Oh, right! HITLER DID THAT! Also, gun control... Hitler did that too!

This country is heading towards communism fast, and most people are cheering it on. I don't want to sound immature here, but Padme said it herself, "So this is how liberty dies. With thundering Applause."

So the next time that you look at your so called "free health care" just think about the people who you're hurting with it. My only comfort lies in knowing that Obama will leave office in a couple of years, and that maybe... Just maybe... We can get someone better in there.

Who's talking about not giving health care to the elderly and the disabled in America? You must be thinking of Canada where we have death panels for the disabled now too. Did you know that if a person over the age of 60 goes into an emergency room with a broken leg that there is a back door with a chute that leads to the crematoriums? Hitler shot em first, we don't bother.

Sarah Palin had it right!

So troll...

Does it deserve any better? The only problem now is the political right isn't accepting the fact that the reason the ACA has fallen short of what they now are screaming for, is because of the political right in congress.

How do you respond to anybody who still can't understand that universal health care is the answer.

Between you and me and nobody else. Your problems are all to do with large corps who are profiting in the health care industry. I don't have the time or patience to argue that fact with any of these kids. Fill your fukking boots if you do!
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4/1/2014 3:12:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 3:09:53 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 2:49:56 PM, wrichcirw wrote:

Who's talking about not giving health care to the elderly and the disabled in America? You must be thinking of Canada where we have death panels for the disabled now too. Did you know that if a person over the age of 60 goes into an emergency room with a broken leg that there is a back door with a chute that leads to the crematoriums? Hitler shot em first, we don't bother.

Sarah Palin had it right!

So troll...

Does it deserve any better? The only problem now is the political right isn't accepting the fact that the reason the ACA has fallen short of what they now are screaming for, is because of the political right in congress.

How do you respond to anybody who still can't understand that universal health care is the answer.

Between you and me and nobody else. Your problems are all to do with large corps who are profiting in the health care industry. I don't have the time or patience to argue that fact with any of these kids. Fill your fukking boots if you do!

lol, I didn't make any of these assertions. My point was simply to point out how ridiculous it is for you to postulate that in Canada, there are supposedly chutes that are ready to incinerate seniors who have a broken limb. That's so ridiculous as to make you out to be a gigantic troll.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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4/1/2014 4:32:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
: At 3/31/2014 2:51:38 PM, monty1 wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The ACA exceeds all expectations. Poor people cry for joy at finally getting affordable health care. Obama's presidency can be declared a huge success on this alone.

It's time for the racists and the haters to crawl back into their closets in the US south. Finally the civil war can be declared to be over!


Actually, poor people already had healthcare and only a racist hater would accuse someone of the same simply because they don't agree that the Federal Government should be able to force private companies to provide anything other than mutually agreed upon compensation by the parties involved. His presidency has been a huge success of the BIG TAKE OVER yet you cheer him on. Making someone provide something against their will to someone else is nothing short of slavery. But you're racist hate has got you too blind to see. (plus you probably know nothing about the private vs public sector).
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4/1/2014 5:45:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 4:32:08 PM, theJackster wrote:
: At 3/31/2014 2:51:38 PM, monty1 wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The ACA exceeds all expectations. Poor people cry for joy at finally getting affordable health care. Obama's presidency can be declared a huge success on this alone.

It's time for the racists and the haters to crawl back into their closets in the US south. Finally the civil war can be declared to be over!


Actually, poor people already had healthcare and only a racist hater would accuse someone of the same simply because they don't agree that the Federal Government should be able to force private companies to provide anything other than mutually agreed upon compensation by the parties involved. His presidency has been a huge success of the BIG TAKE OVER yet you cheer him on. Making someone provide something against their will to someone else is nothing short of slavery. But you're racist hate has got you too blind to see. (plus you probably know nothing about the private vs public sector).

To you and wrichcirw at the same time.

PPPhhhhhhhhhtttttttt.
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4/1/2014 6:05:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/31/2014 2:51:38 PM, monty1 wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

The ACA exceeds all expectations. Poor people cry for joy at finally getting affordable health care. Obama's presidency can be declared a huge success on this alone.

It's time for the racists and the haters to crawl back into their closets in the US south. Finally the civil war can be declared to be over!

Monty, I can actually agree with you when it comes to exceptionalizing libertarianism and downing outdated conservatism.
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4/1/2014 6:20:01 PM
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Man, there is one born every minute.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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4/1/2014 7:06:20 PM
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(Sarcastically). Now subtract how many people LOST health insurance, and you can see how effective Obamacare REALLY is.

In a nutshell, it's not very helpful, since almost as many people lost insurance as got it.
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4/1/2014 7:17:53 PM
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7.1 million people have enrolled for health insurance (or medicare) because of the Affordable Care Act. That figure is above the November federal projections, which placed the number of likely enrollees at 7 million!

It's very good news for the health insurance law because it now has enough people to stand on its own two legs, as a self-sustaining marketplace.
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4/1/2014 7:20:43 PM
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With the sole exception of medicare (which is publicly funded), the health insurance policies provided through the Affordable Care Act will be supported exclusively by the premiums and deductibles paid by enrollees. It will be a completely self-sufficient system.

And that's what makes it a success!
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4/1/2014 7:54:26 PM
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At 4/1/2014 7:17:53 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
7.1 million people have enrolled for health insurance (or medicare) because of the Affordable Care Act. That figure is above the November federal projections, which placed the number of likely enrollees at 7 million!

It's very good news for the health insurance law because it now has enough people to stand on its own two legs, as a self-sustaining marketplace.

Actually, I'd be willing to bet that the margin of error included 7.1 million. So in other words, it's right around projections.

But here's a better question: How many of those people who signed up actually WANTED health insurance? Also, someone tell me how less than 5% of the US population getting health insurance is a success? Yup, there are over 300 million people in the US, and you consider insuring 35 million people (around 10%), some of whom may never have intended to purchase healthcare in the first place, so drastically important that you need to mandate everyone who lives and breaths US air as a citizen to purchase a good/service? And in the process, just so you can sleep better at night thinking you've done the world a moral duty by enforcing your own values and perceptions of what's good and what's bad on others, you solidify tight oligopolies by mandating their goods be purchased and creating a far more inelastic demand curve for their goods, giving them the power to jack up their prices even higher? Anyone want to tell me why this was such a great idea?
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4/1/2014 8:05:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 7:54:26 PM, blaze8 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 7:17:53 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
7.1 million people have enrolled for health insurance (or medicare) because of the Affordable Care Act. That figure is above the November federal projections, which placed the number of likely enrollees at 7 million!

It's very good news for the health insurance law because it now has enough people to stand on its own two legs, as a self-sustaining marketplace.

Actually, I'd be willing to bet that the margin of error included 7.1 million. So in other words, it's right around projections.

But here's a better question: How many of those people who signed up actually WANTED health insurance? Also, someone tell me how less than 5% of the US population getting health insurance is a success? Yup, there are over 300 million people in the US, and you consider insuring 35 million people (around 10%), some of whom may never have intended to purchase healthcare in the first place, so drastically important that you need to mandate everyone who lives and breaths US air as a citizen to purchase a good/service? And in the process, just so you can sleep better at night thinking you've done the world a moral duty by enforcing your own values and perceptions of what's good and what's bad on others, you solidify tight oligopolies by mandating their goods be purchased and creating a far more inelastic demand curve for their goods, giving them the power to jack up their prices even higher? Anyone want to tell me why this was such a great idea?

Blaze, okay, we get it. You didn't approve of the Affordable Care Act. You have the right to your opinion. However, if you're employed and you're planning to file taxes next year, I hope you already have health insurance, that way you don't pay the tax penalty. Even more, I hope you do have health insurance that way you're prepared in case of an accident or in case you're given bad news by the doctor.

Those things do happen, you know.