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comoncents
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2/1/2010 3:47:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If you have any questions or are uneducated on slavery than post here and lets hash it out?

But please do not post if you are not ready to hear the truth behind what was going on.

I posted this b/c I am tired of hearing black, spanish, cuban, chinese, etc complain about things they do not know about.
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2/1/2010 3:49:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Alright comon, explain slavery to all the uneducated people out there. Is there something wrong with the historical record which shows white Europeans bringing into slavery Africans and some indigenous populations? I'm curious to read the truth.
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2/1/2010 3:50:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I am a Spanish man who is uneducated about slavery. I am ready to hear the truth and would like to hash it out. Please go ahead.
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2/1/2010 3:57:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The Truth is that Black peoplez wanted to be slaves and paid da white man to make them slaves den dey changed der minds but it wuz 2 late. Then Osama Bin Laden blew up the twin trade centers and rose'o donnel slapped donald trump
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2/1/2010 3:59:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 3:49:16 PM, Volkov wrote:
Alright comon, explain slavery to all the uneducated people out there. Is there something wrong with the historical record which shows white Europeans bringing into slavery Africans and some indigenous populations? I'm curious to read the truth.

Africans sold their own country men to the Europeans.
That makes a difference.
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2/1/2010 3:59:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 3:50:38 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I am a Spanish man who is uneducated about slavery. I am ready to hear the truth and would like to hash it out. Please go ahead.

Than ask questions.
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2/1/2010 4:00:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 3:57:02 PM, IEUkillertofu wrote:
The Truth is that Black peoplez wanted to be slaves and paid da white man to make them slaves den dey changed der minds but it wuz 2 late. Then Osama Bin Laden blew up the twin trade centers and rose'o donnel slapped donald trump

Wow.
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2/1/2010 4:01:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 3:59:14 PM, comoncents wrote:
Africans sold their own country men to the Europeans.
That makes a difference.

And um, that justifies Europeans actually keeping slaves how?

If what you say is true, or had any basis, the bigger point is that Europeans still had slaves, and practiced slavery. That, regardless of who sold who, is unjustifiable.
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2/1/2010 4:01:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 3:59:14 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 2/1/2010 3:49:16 PM, Volkov wrote:
Alright comon, explain slavery to all the uneducated people out there. Is there something wrong with the historical record which shows white Europeans bringing into slavery Africans and some indigenous populations? I'm curious to read the truth.

Africans sold their own country men to the Europeans.
That makes a difference.

yeah, but the Europeans bought them, encouraged their collection, and shipped em over to work them for their entire lives.

The fact that others are guilty too doesn't, in any way whatsoever, absolve any guilt of European slaveholders.
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2/1/2010 4:01:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 3:49:16 PM, Volkov wrote:
Alright comon, explain slavery to all the uneducated people out there. Is there something wrong with the historical record which shows white Europeans bringing into slavery Africans and some indigenous populations? I'm curious to read the truth.

I did not see it was you, don't be a smart a$$.
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2/1/2010 4:02:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:01:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
yeah, but the Europeans bought them, encouraged their collection, and shipped em over to work them for their entire lives.

The fact that others are guilty too doesn't, in any way whatsoever, absolve any guilt of European slaveholders.

Matt, I know you're a classical liberal/libertarian... but we agree too much. Join the dark side.
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2/1/2010 4:06:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:01:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 2/1/2010 3:59:14 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 2/1/2010 3:49:16 PM, Volkov wrote:
Alright comon, explain slavery to all the uneducated people out there. Is there something wrong with the historical record which shows white Europeans bringing into slavery Africans and some indigenous populations? I'm curious to read the truth.

Africans sold their own country men to the Europeans.
That makes a difference.

yeah, but the Europeans bought them, encouraged their collection, and shipped em over to work them for their entire lives.


They still sold their own.
They took prisoners and criminal at first. Than the savages went out and too their own, knowing fully well what was going to happen.

The fact that others are guilty too doesn't, in any way whatsoever, absolve any guilt of European slaveholders.

The European were ignorant as to what these people were. They thought that they were all heathens and enslaving them would be better for them.

I am not saying that the European are not to blame a bit, but africans are to blame as well.
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2/1/2010 4:06:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 3:59:40 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 2/1/2010 3:50:38 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I am a Spanish man who is uneducated about slavery. I am ready to hear the truth and would like to hash it out. Please go ahead.

Than ask questions.

Alright. Is the fact that some Africans aided the slavery movement the only "truth" you were referring to? If so, what's your point?
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2/1/2010 4:06:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:00:06 PM, comoncents wrote:
I am unaware of who killertofu is and thus unaware of the obvious sarcasm of the statement

lol yeah
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2/1/2010 4:07:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:02:45 PM, Volkov wrote:

Matt, I know you're a classical liberal/libertarian... but we agree too much. Join the dark side.

lol, commoncents commented not too long ago on how much we agree on political issues too

and he's right.

It's funny though since the two of you seem to disagree on so much :)
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2/1/2010 4:09:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:01:39 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 2/1/2010 3:59:14 PM, comoncents wrote:
Africans sold their own country men to the Europeans.
That makes a difference.

And um, that justifies Europeans actually keeping slaves how?


They needed work. They tried using a more "moral way" and it bit them in the a$$.
When they found Goree and saw that they could buy prisoners, also they sold their own people, they though slavery was better than leaving them to their own savages.

If what you say is true, or had any basis, the bigger point is that Europeans still had slaves, and practiced slavery. That, regardless of who sold who, is unjustifiable.

No.
The point is that their own people have some blame, not just Europeans.
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2/1/2010 4:11:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:06:49 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 2/1/2010 3:59:40 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 2/1/2010 3:50:38 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I am a Spanish man who is uneducated about slavery. I am ready to hear the truth and would like to hash it out. Please go ahead.

Than ask questions.

Alright. Is the fact that some Africans aided the slavery movement the only "truth" you were referring to? If so, what's your point?

They started selling blacks. Not just aided.
That is just one point. if anyone has any questions than ask.
That is the point.
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2/1/2010 4:11:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:07:15 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 2/1/2010 4:02:45 PM, Volkov wrote:

Matt, I know you're a classical liberal/libertarian... but we agree too much. Join the dark side.

lol, commoncents commented not too long ago on how much we agree on political issues too

and he's right.

It's funny though since the two of you seem to disagree on so much :)

That is funny.
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2/1/2010 4:12:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:06:15 PM, comoncents wrote:
They still sold their own.
They took prisoners and criminal at first. Than the savages went out and too their own, knowing fully well what was going to happen.

I don't think thats true. Even if they did sell their own to the Europeans, it doesn't mean that those sold willingly went. I think if anything, most sold into slavery were captives from another group - POWs, if you will - that did not want to go, and had no choice in the matter. But how it justifies anything on the European's part is beyond me.

The European were ignorant as to what these people were. They thought that they were all heathens and enslaving them would be better for them.

Lol, right. If this was any sort of justification, then I should be allowed to enslave you and turn you into a socialist because I think its "better for you."

I am not saying that the European are not to blame a bit, but africans are to blame as well.

Alright, sure. But, it isn't "a bit" - its a lot. Hell, its equal. It takes two to tango, comon.
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2/1/2010 4:13:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:06:15 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 2/1/2010 4:01:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

yeah, but the Europeans bought them, encouraged their collection, and shipped em over to work them for their entire lives.


They still sold their own.
They took prisoners and criminal at first. Than the savages went out and too their own, knowing fully well what was going to happen.

The fact that others are guilty too doesn't, in any way whatsoever, absolve any guilt of European slaveholders.

The European were ignorant as to what these people were. They thought that they were all heathens and enslaving them would be better for them.

Teaching them the glory of the lord would have been good for'em maybe. Total enslavement, and restriction of education, and etc and etc would not.

People do always try to somehow rationalize their evil acts, but that's what that belief (if sincerely held) was; a rationalization of evil acts.

I am not saying that the European are not to blame a bit, but africans are to blame as well.
the Europeans of the time ought to be blamed Massively, but some Africans should be blamed as well.
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2/1/2010 4:18:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:12:01 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 2/1/2010 4:06:15 PM, comoncents wrote:
They still sold their own.
They took prisoners and criminal at first. Than the savages went out and too their own, knowing fully well what was going to happen.

I don't think thats true. Even if they did sell their own to the Europeans, it doesn't mean that those sold willingly went. I think if anything, most sold into slavery were captives from another group - POWs, if you will - that did not want to go, and had no choice in the matter. But how it justifies anything on the European's part is beyond me.


It is history buddy.
American common history knowledge.

I am not justifying European's, but they are not the only ones to blame. Africans are just as much to blame.


Lol, right. If this was any sort of justification, then I should be allowed to enslave you and turn you into a socialist because I think its "better for you."


Again, i am not justifying anything, just clearing up.

Alright, sure. But, it isn't "a bit" - its a lot. Hell, its equal. It takes two to tango, comon.

I know. But blacks seem to just blame "the white man" but that is not the historical case.
Just putting it out there.

He!! the European's tried to get the indians enslaved first. Did not work. They were just looking for labor, not just targeting africans.
Africans were easier. Terrified, uneducated in the European's light, criminals.
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2/1/2010 4:21:00 PM
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Yeah, the african community sold people to the white man. Didn't everyone know this? Typically this was done when one tribe conquered another and so they sold the prisoners as slaves (typically a better deal then dying), however, this does not justify the treatment of most slaves or justify children born into slavery (who were not caught and sold).
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2/1/2010 4:21:47 PM
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At 2/1/2010 4:13:35 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Teaching them the glory of the lord would have been good for'em maybe. Total enslavement, and restriction of education, and etc and etc would not.


That is not how it started. Slaves had a lot of freedom when slavery started.

People do always try to somehow rationalize their evil acts, but that's what that belief (if sincerely held) was; a rationalization of evil acts.


I know.

the Europeans of the time ought to be blamed Massively, but some Africans should be blamed as well.

Africans should be blamed just as much.

Selling your own countrymen seems worse than buying labor.
(of which you think need to have god, and are savage enough to sell their own people)
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2/1/2010 4:22:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/1/2010 4:18:03 PM, comoncents wrote:
It is history buddy.
American common history knowledge.

I am not justifying European's, but they are not the only ones to blame. Africans are just as much to blame.

It seems to me more than you are trying to justify the European's actions, especially with the statements below.

I know. But blacks seem to just blame "the white man" but that is not the historical case.
Just putting it out there.

He!! the European's tried to get the indians enslaved first. Did not work. They were just looking for labor, not just targeting africans.
Africans were easier. Terrified, uneducated in the European's light, criminals.

Again - this all seems like justification for the Europeans to enslave whomever they wanted. Feigning ignorance doesn't justify an action.
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2/1/2010 4:24:42 PM
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At 2/1/2010 4:21:00 PM, OreEle wrote:
Yeah, the african community sold people to the white man. Didn't everyone know this? Typically this was done when one tribe conquered another and so they sold the prisoners as slaves (typically a better deal then dying), however, this does not justify the treatment of most slaves or justify children born into slavery (who were not caught and sold).

I am not trying to justify the europeans action. I am just saying that they are not the only ones to blame.

Most slaves had it nice, at the beginning of arriving.
(not the ride over, but before being sold and after being sold to a master)
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2/1/2010 4:25:15 PM
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At 2/1/2010 4:21:47 PM, comoncents wrote:
Selling your own countrymen seems worse than buying labor.
(of which you think need to have god, and are savage enough to sell their own people)

See? You're trying to justify the European practice of slavery by saying "one is worse than the other!" The reality is that neither is really more positive or negative than the other. Both are practices that shouldn't be tolerated. Be fair for once.
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2/1/2010 4:27:49 PM
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At 2/1/2010 4:21:47 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 2/1/2010 4:13:35 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Teaching them the glory of the lord would have been good for'em maybe. Total enslavement, and restriction of education, and etc and etc would not.


That is not how it started. Slaves had a lot of freedom when slavery started.

People do always try to somehow rationalize their evil acts, but that's what that belief (if sincerely held) was; a rationalization of evil acts.


I know.


the Europeans of the time ought to be blamed Massively, but some Africans should be blamed as well.

Africans should be blamed just as much.

Selling your own countrymen seems worse than buying labor.
(of which you think need to have god, and are savage enough to sell their own people)

Africa, as you mentioned though, was a much less organized place.

Random African warlords collected and sold slaves. Lots of random bandits stole children from villages and funneled them through those warlords to the Europeans.

Lots of Africans were to blame. Lots of Africans were not.

The governments, and societies, generally of the Europeans, and of America are to blame for allowing and participating in that system.
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2/1/2010 4:28:44 PM
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As far as I know, the whites have suffered the same amount of slavery as blacks, among other races as well.
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2/1/2010 4:29:07 PM
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At 2/1/2010 4:24:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 2/1/2010 4:21:00 PM, OreEle wrote:
Yeah, the african community sold people to the white man. Didn't everyone know this? Typically this was done when one tribe conquered another and so they sold the prisoners as slaves (typically a better deal then dying), however, this does not justify the treatment of most slaves or justify children born into slavery (who were not caught and sold).

I am not trying to justify the europeans action. I am just saying that they are not the only ones to blame.

Most slaves had it nice, at the beginning of arriving.
(not the ride over, but before being sold and after being sold to a master)

Some had it (relatively) nice, some were whipped to death. Either way they were afforded 0 rights.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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