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Conservative101
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4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?
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4/29/2014 10:28:13 PM
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At 4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?

Progressivism is a sect of liberalism. You have to differentiate progressive politicals and economical progressivism though.

Progressive politics favors the art of social and industrial modernization. Which resulted in increased government investment in infrastructure in the progressive era. The philosophy was changed following the institution of the bull moose party and Kuomintang.

Both parties advocated direct democracy, stimulation of the middle class, rapid modernization, nationalism, and socio capitalism.
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4/30/2014 10:05:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?

IMO there's no difference - I mean realistically, they both have the exact same agenda today, maybe progressives are a tad bit more left but it's the same thing really. There might have been some difference in the early 20th century, when liberal was a term used to describe conservatives, but that's about it.

Nowadays people don't like the word 'liberal', so many left-leaning people prefer 'progressive'. Hillary Clinton, for example, calls herself a 'progressive' to try and associate herself with the early progressives instead of modern liberals.
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4/30/2014 9:30:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?

Here's one view that, while I think is incomplete, offers some worthwhile analysis:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Here's another:

http://www.newrepublic.com...

I don't personally think that either of those are sufficient per se, and I might type up my own explanation later. But, this is a good starting point...
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5/3/2014 10:05:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/30/2014 9:30:27 PM, YYW wrote:
At 4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?

Here's one view that, while I think is incomplete, offers some worthwhile analysis:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Here's another:

http://www.newrepublic.com...

I don't personally think that either of those are sufficient per se, and I might type up my own explanation later. But, this is a good starting point...

Thanks. Honestly, I think the political spectrum (or political compass) is pretty messed up. Just trying to clear some confusion.
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5/3/2014 10:08:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/3/2014 10:05:48 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
At 4/30/2014 9:30:27 PM, YYW wrote:
At 4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?

Here's one view that, while I think is incomplete, offers some worthwhile analysis:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Here's another:

http://www.newrepublic.com...

I don't personally think that either of those are sufficient per se, and I might type up my own explanation later. But, this is a good starting point...

Thanks. Honestly, I think the political spectrum (or political compass) is pretty messed up. Just trying to clear some confusion.

Yeah, it's a pretty loose model. It's not perfect, but the compass helps to visualize how things relate to each other.
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5/3/2014 10:09:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/3/2014 10:08:12 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/3/2014 10:05:48 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
At 4/30/2014 9:30:27 PM, YYW wrote:
At 4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?

Here's one view that, while I think is incomplete, offers some worthwhile analysis:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Here's another:

http://www.newrepublic.com...

I don't personally think that either of those are sufficient per se, and I might type up my own explanation later. But, this is a good starting point...

Thanks. Honestly, I think the political spectrum (or political compass) is pretty messed up. Just trying to clear some confusion.

Yeah, it's a pretty loose model. It's not perfect, but the compass helps to visualize how things relate to each other.

Do you consider yourself progressive as well?
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5/3/2014 10:11:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/3/2014 10:09:26 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
At 5/3/2014 10:08:12 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/3/2014 10:05:48 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
At 4/30/2014 9:30:27 PM, YYW wrote:
At 4/29/2014 10:23:24 PM, Conservative101 wrote:
Someone told me recently that progressivism and liberalism are different, because their definitions are. But I have looked at both, and they seem to be pretty much the same, or similar. Some people claim to be one or the other, while some claim to be both. Is there a difference, or are they really the same? Thoughts?

Here's one view that, while I think is incomplete, offers some worthwhile analysis:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Here's another:

http://www.newrepublic.com...

I don't personally think that either of those are sufficient per se, and I might type up my own explanation later. But, this is a good starting point...

Thanks. Honestly, I think the political spectrum (or political compass) is pretty messed up. Just trying to clear some confusion.

Yeah, it's a pretty loose model. It's not perfect, but the compass helps to visualize how things relate to each other.

Do you consider yourself progressive as well?

I'm a Liberal (big "L" Liberal) more than anything else. There are some issues/situations that I'm more or less 'progressive' about, but progressivism isn't wholly divested of Modern Liberalism. Rather, the two walk hand in hand more than they walk apart -despite their differences.
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